Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Redarmy]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Yes lets hope he strengthens the squad in January

[BFG4]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Firstly you're presuming about January signings but look how desperate we were last January and signed no one. When you talk about planning, did that involve offering a contract to a clearly average player like Nketiah or keeping clear deadweight like Elneny or Holding? When the World Cup is over our starting line up could be mid table at best. We are doing well at the moment but I feel like this always has to be attached in some way to the genius of Arteta when in reality he has made numerous mistakes. Il judge him in May

[DB10GOONER]

There is no hypocrisy. Relative success is the norm in competitive sports, it is pointless to call it out and it has nothing to do with luck. You will not find victims and city fans undermining their success saying that the other teams in the league were dogsh*t.

Adding silly caveats to the resounding start that we have made is something i expect of a scum fan. First it was that we haven’t played anyone decent, then that we beat a weak victims team conveniently ignoring that they were the closest to completing a quad than any other team in history barely months ago and have turned over City and now that our points tally is aided by our competitors being poor. I am glad that the elephant is visible to you because it is not to most fans I know and they are no Arteta lovers. There were a few elephants in the room last season that contributed to us missing top 4 but obviously they are to be ignored as they don’t fit the agenda.

Lastly, if it is a proper conversation that you seek it would be a good idea to not post garbage like fans getting ridiculed for basically being positive and upbeat. Ridiculed by who exactly? There is always a case to be made that your views are blinkered based on your opinion about Arteta.

Jesus I really touched a nerve there! Calm down son. It's a football forum. People won't always agree with you. Especially when all you can see is the ridiculously positive side to everything and cannot base your viewpoint in any pragmatic way. And if you want to talk about "posting garbage", you might want to read back through your "contributions" to this forum. They're not the best.

Can't be arsed going around in circles here as you clearly cannot understand the point I'm making. But I'll clarify two things.

Firstly your last comment shows you very clearly have not read most of my posts regarding Martinez-Lite. I've liked him since he was our best DM for two seasons as a player. You don't seem to be able to comprehend the difference between not blindly loving someone and having an honest opinion about one aspect of their career. But hey that's your problem, not mine.

Secondly, you ever compare me to a scum fan again, even by implicate comment, just because I've exposed your lack of knowledge about the game, and I'll ban you for trolling and personal insults. Any genuine Arsenal fan would know you don't cross that line in a serious debate or argument. I'll never ban someone for their opinion no matter how much I might disagree with it, or for telling me I'm posting "garbage", but if you lower the argument to any version of "you sound like a scum fan" then you are clearly posting to provoke a negative reaction and, in that case, off you go. Read the rules mate.

I do this job for free and - as dictated by the owners - I do not have to accept any personal insults from punters. And I won't. Banter is one thing. I'll take banter all day long. This is another thing altogether. I'm hoping you can see that.

I'm trying to be as fair and accommodating as I can be here and I'm offering you the opportunity to calm down and take a step back from the path you are on.

Might be best to leave this here now. We are getting nowhere fast. But if you really need to get the last word in, fine, whatever, go for it, but I'd recommend taking my advice on board regarding insults and abuse.

Having the last word No but seriously I’d been happy to let this go because we could do this forever and not agree and I can assure you that the opinion about each others footballing knowledge is resoundingly and unequivocally mutual . But there was obviously not only personal attacks in your response which I could ignore and a threat which I unfortunately cannot so please allow me to get a few words in.

1. This isn’t a debate about blind love and pragmatism though it’s predictable that you are interpreting it like that. This is a debate about whether the manager and the team are receiving the right recognition for what they are doing well because they have rightly been given flak for what they haven’t. Adding caveats to praise is as good as a sly dig but it’s fine if you don’t get that. I don’t care if you are an AKB ( yes I’m bringing it back ), a rose tinter, a pragmatist, a realist or a doom monger, what’s important to me is fairness and I feel obliged to response if I don’t see it.

2. Saying that I expect something from a scum fan is expressing disappointment that a fellow Gooner is doing it. If you want to interpret that to being compared to or being called a scum fan and feel insulted then that’s totally your choice. I can assure you that I know the rules.

3. A question for you. Do you really go back and check people’s ‘contributions’ to the forum during a debate? I have seen you use that same phrase a few times on other posters so was curious. In any case I can’t say I am fussed about my ‘contributions’ or feel bothered enough to reflect on them. However if their contributions is important to some people then fair enough.

4. I am not sure what you being a (the?) moderator on the forum and doing it for free had anything to do with the discussion that we were having. If you mentioned it to let me know that you have the power to ban me, then I already knew that mate. If you mentioned it to indicate that I should be be more appreciative of you then ermm I don’t know, I will consider it I guess.

I really don’t want to derail the discussion for the other posters so that this will be my last post on the matter… err or the last post on the forum in case I get banned

Peace

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are deliberately just twisting the words. We both know which it is. There is no point to this anymore and I was going to leave it there but there are a few home truths you need to read, especially as you have accused me of threatening you.

There was no threat. Just a warning about your conduct. In my role as mod. Don't confuse the two. If you had compared another poster to being a scum fan during a disagreement you'd be getting the same warning regarding troll / wum behaviour.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit what you think of me as a mod or in any other capacity. You are an Internet soccer fan in India. You've never spent the decades attending actual matches like the majority of us on here have done, so forgive me if your opinion matters not a tad to me. You do not understand football culture or much of the game itself. Internet soccer blogs cannot teach that. It has to be experienced.

We make this forum welcoming to everyone but I certainly won't accept an Internet soccer fan comparing me to a scum fan as you did - and you know you did.

Oh, as for your question, no I don't go back and check people's contributions but I do have a really good memory - I remember the interesting posters and I remember the boring ones that copy half their content from soccer blogs and I especially remember the posters that were virulent AKBs living in India and stating that their most hated team was manure rather than the scum. That just says Internet soccer fan to me. I tend to remember them. I also remember posters that go missing for years on end because their beloved cult leader Arsene Wenger was getting slaughtered on here....

And, no this is not about race, before you whine about that. I have no idea what race you are and have no interest in that. But to me if you haven't put in the miles and the hours to go to games you are not a proper Gooner, just a soccer fan.

I won't ban you unless you keep up the wum / troll posting to provoke a reaction. Otherwise feel free to post away.

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

[DB10GOONER]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Firstly you're presuming about January signings but look how desperate we were last January and signed no one. When you talk about planning, did that involve offering a contract to a clearly average player like Nketiah or keeping clear deadweight like Elneny or Holding? When the World Cup is over our starting line up could be mid table at best. We are doing well at the moment but I feel like this always has to be attached in some way to the genius of Arteta when in reality he has made numerous mistakes. Il judge him in May

It's a good point that the fanboys like to ignore. I personally think he will have learned from last January and we will strengthen this January. If we don't though and we miss top 4 again this season then for me he has to go. Top 4 this season is the minimum requirement.

If somehow he wins the league then fuck yeah give him an immediate 5 year extension, but if he misses top 4, wins no Cups.... he's had his chance. Gets top 4 but wins no cup I'd still give him next season to prove me wrong about him.

Contrary to what some of the lesser intelligent punters on here think I'm hoping beyond hope he succeeds and puts us back at the top where we belong.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Jesus I really touched a nerve there! Calm down son. It's a football forum. People won't always agree with you. Especially when all you can see is the ridiculously positive side to everything and cannot base your viewpoint in any pragmatic way. And if you want to talk about "posting garbage", you might want to read back through your "contributions" to this forum. They're not the best.

Can't be arsed going around in circles here as you clearly cannot understand the point I'm making. But I'll clarify two things.

Firstly your last comment shows you very clearly have not read most of my posts regarding Martinez-Lite. I've liked him since he was our best DM for two seasons as a player. You don't seem to be able to comprehend the difference between not blindly loving someone and having an honest opinion about one aspect of their career. But hey that's your problem, not mine.

Secondly, you ever compare me to a scum fan again, even by implicate comment, just because I've exposed your lack of knowledge about the game, and I'll ban you for trolling and personal insults. Any genuine Arsenal fan would know you don't cross that line in a serious debate or argument. I'll never ban someone for their opinion no matter how much I might disagree with it, or for telling me I'm posting "garbage", but if you lower the argument to any version of "you sound like a scum fan" then you are clearly posting to provoke a negative reaction and, in that case, off you go. Read the rules mate.

I do this job for free and - as dictated by the owners - I do not have to accept any personal insults from punters. And I won't. Banter is one thing. I'll take banter all day long. This is another thing altogether. I'm hoping you can see that.

I'm trying to be as fair and accommodating as I can be here and I'm offering you the opportunity to calm down and take a step back from the path you are on.

Might be best to leave this here now. We are getting nowhere fast. But if you really need to get the last word in, fine, whatever, go for it, but I'd recommend taking my advice on board regarding insults and abuse.

Having the last word No but seriously I’d been happy to let this go because we could do this forever and not agree and I can assure you that the opinion about each others footballing knowledge is resoundingly and unequivocally mutual . But there was obviously not only personal attacks in your response which I could ignore and a threat which I unfortunately cannot so please allow me to get a few words in.

1. This isn’t a debate about blind love and pragmatism though it’s predictable that you are interpreting it like that. This is a debate about whether the manager and the team are receiving the right recognition for what they are doing well because they have rightly been given flak for what they haven’t. Adding caveats to praise is as good as a sly dig but it’s fine if you don’t get that. I don’t care if you are an AKB ( yes I’m bringing it back ), a rose tinter, a pragmatist, a realist or a doom monger, what’s important to me is fairness and I feel obliged to response if I don’t see it.

2. Saying that I expect something from a scum fan is expressing disappointment that a fellow Gooner is doing it. If you want to interpret that to being compared to or being called a scum fan and feel insulted then that’s totally your choice. I can assure you that I know the rules.

3. A question for you. Do you really go back and check people’s ‘contributions’ to the forum during a debate? I have seen you use that same phrase a few times on other posters so was curious. In any case I can’t say I am fussed about my ‘contributions’ or feel bothered enough to reflect on them. However if their contributions is important to some people then fair enough.

4. I am not sure what you being a (the?) moderator on the forum and doing it for free had anything to do with the discussion that we were having. If you mentioned it to let me know that you have the power to ban me, then I already knew that mate. If you mentioned it to indicate that I should be be more appreciative of you then ermm I don’t know, I will consider it I guess.

I really don’t want to derail the discussion for the other posters so that this will be my last post on the matter… err or the last post on the forum in case I get banned

Peace

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are deliberately just twisting the words. We both know which it is. There is no point to this anymore and I was going to leave it there but there are a few home truths you need to read, especially as you have accused me of threatening you.

There was no threat. Just a warning about your conduct. In my role as mod. Don't confuse the two. If you had compared another poster to being a scum fan during a disagreement you'd be getting the same warning regarding troll / wum behaviour.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit what you think of me as a mod or in any other capacity. You are an Internet soccer fan in India. You've never spent the decades attending actual matches like the majority of us on here have done, so forgive me if your opinion matters not a tad to me. You do not understand football culture or much of the game itself. Internet soccer blogs cannot teach that. It has to be experienced.

We make this forum welcoming to everyone but I certainly won't accept an Internet soccer fan comparing me to a scum fan as you did - and you know you did.

Oh, as for your question, no I don't go back and check people's contributions but I do have a really good memory - I remember the interesting posters and I remember the boring ones that copy half their content from soccer blogs and I especially remember the posters that were virulent AKBs living in India and stating that their most hated team was manure rather than the scum. That just says Internet soccer fan to me. I tend to remember them. I also remember posters that go missing for years on end because their beloved cult leader Arsene Wenger was getting slaughtered on here....

And, no this is not about race, before you whine about that. I have no idea what race you are and have no interest in that. But to me if you haven't put in the miles and the hours to go to games you are not a proper Gooner, just a soccer fan.

I won't ban you unless you keep up the wum / troll posting to provoke a reaction. Otherwise feel free to post away.

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

It's a shame, they were both funny, do you feel like you need to name the mod in question

[DB10GOONER]

Having the last word No but seriously I’d been happy to let this go because we could do this forever and not agree and I can assure you that the opinion about each others footballing knowledge is resoundingly and unequivocally mutual . But there was obviously not only personal attacks in your response which I could ignore and a threat which I unfortunately cannot so please allow me to get a few words in.

1. This isn’t a debate about blind love and pragmatism though it’s predictable that you are interpreting it like that. This is a debate about whether the manager and the team are receiving the right recognition for what they are doing well because they have rightly been given flak for what they haven’t. Adding caveats to praise is as good as a sly dig but it’s fine if you don’t get that. I don’t care if you are an AKB ( yes I’m bringing it back ), a rose tinter, a pragmatist, a realist or a doom monger, what’s important to me is fairness and I feel obliged to response if I don’t see it.

2. Saying that I expect something from a scum fan is expressing disappointment that a fellow Gooner is doing it. If you want to interpret that to being compared to or being called a scum fan and feel insulted then that’s totally your choice. I can assure you that I know the rules.

3. A question for you. Do you really go back and check people’s ‘contributions’ to the forum during a debate? I have seen you use that same phrase a few times on other posters so was curious. In any case I can’t say I am fussed about my ‘contributions’ or feel bothered enough to reflect on them. However if their contributions is important to some people then fair enough.

4. I am not sure what you being a (the?) moderator on the forum and doing it for free had anything to do with the discussion that we were having. If you mentioned it to let me know that you have the power to ban me, then I already knew that mate. If you mentioned it to indicate that I should be be more appreciative of you then ermm I don’t know, I will consider it I guess.

I really don’t want to derail the discussion for the other posters so that this will be my last post on the matter… err or the last post on the forum in case I get banned

Peace

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are deliberately just twisting the words. We both know which it is. There is no point to this anymore and I was going to leave it there but there are a few home truths you need to read, especially as you have accused me of threatening you.

There was no threat. Just a warning about your conduct. In my role as mod. Don't confuse the two. If you had compared another poster to being a scum fan during a disagreement you'd be getting the same warning regarding troll / wum behaviour.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit what you think of me as a mod or in any other capacity. You are an Internet soccer fan in India. You've never spent the decades attending actual matches like the majority of us on here have done, so forgive me if your opinion matters not a tad to me. You do not understand football culture or much of the game itself. Internet soccer blogs cannot teach that. It has to be experienced.

We make this forum welcoming to everyone but I certainly won't accept an Internet soccer fan comparing me to a scum fan as you did - and you know you did.

Oh, as for your question, no I don't go back and check people's contributions but I do have a really good memory - I remember the interesting posters and I remember the boring ones that copy half their content from soccer blogs and I especially remember the posters that were virulent AKBs living in India and stating that their most hated team was manure rather than the scum. That just says Internet soccer fan to me. I tend to remember them. I also remember posters that go missing for years on end because their beloved cult leader Arsene Wenger was getting slaughtered on here....

And, no this is not about race, before you whine about that. I have no idea what race you are and have no interest in that. But to me if you haven't put in the miles and the hours to go to games you are not a proper Gooner, just a soccer fan.

I won't ban you unless you keep up the wum / troll posting to provoke a reaction. Otherwise feel free to post away.

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

It's a shame, they were both funny, do you feel like you need to name the mod in question

It was g88ner.... nah only kidding!

The mod in question resigned and left the forum after that incident. He said "I didn't volunteer to mod and take insults off people".

I was like "you've had one ffs. I get 5 a day!"

Honestly you need a thick skin to mod this place, Lefty. You've no idea the amount of shit I deal with by pm, not just the crap on the forum threads.

[OneBardGooner]

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are deliberately just twisting the words. We both know which it is. There is no point to this anymore and I was going to leave it there but there are a few home truths you need to read, especially as you have accused me of threatening you.

There was no threat. Just a warning about your conduct. In my role as mod. Don't confuse the two. If you had compared another poster to being a scum fan during a disagreement you'd be getting the same warning regarding troll / wum behaviour.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit what you think of me as a mod or in any other capacity. You are an Internet soccer fan in India. You've never spent the decades attending actual matches like the majority of us on here have done, so forgive me if your opinion matters not a tad to me. You do not understand football culture or much of the game itself. Internet soccer blogs cannot teach that. It has to be experienced.

We make this forum welcoming to everyone but I certainly won't accept an Internet soccer fan comparing me to a scum fan as you did - and you know you did.

Oh, as for your question, no I don't go back and check people's contributions but I do have a really good memory - I remember the interesting posters and I remember the boring ones that copy half their content from soccer blogs and I especially remember the posters that were virulent AKBs living in India and stating that their most hated team was manure rather than the scum. That just says Internet soccer fan to me. I tend to remember them. I also remember posters that go missing for years on end because their beloved cult leader Arsene Wenger was getting slaughtered on here....

And, no this is not about race, before you whine about that. I have no idea what race you are and have no interest in that. But to me if you haven't put in the miles and the hours to go to games you are not a proper Gooner, just a soccer fan.

I won't ban you unless you keep up the wum / troll posting to provoke a reaction. Otherwise feel free to post away.

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

It's a shame, they were both funny, do you feel like you need to name the mod in question

It was g88ner.... nah only kidding!

The mod in question resigned and left the forum after that incident. He said "I didn't volunteer to mod and take insults off people".

I was like "you've had one ffs. I get 5 a day!"

Honestly you need a thick skin to mod this place, Lefty. You've no idea the amount of shit I deal with by pm, not just the crap on the forum threads.

Aaaah! Yes, but they're all warranted!

[OneBardGooner]

You either don't understand what I wrote or you are deliberately just twisting the words. We both know which it is. There is no point to this anymore and I was going to leave it there but there are a few home truths you need to read, especially as you have accused me of threatening you.

There was no threat. Just a warning about your conduct. In my role as mod. Don't confuse the two. If you had compared another poster to being a scum fan during a disagreement you'd be getting the same warning regarding troll / wum behaviour.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit what you think of me as a mod or in any other capacity. You are an Internet soccer fan in India. You've never spent the decades attending actual matches like the majority of us on here have done, so forgive me if your opinion matters not a tad to me. You do not understand football culture or much of the game itself. Internet soccer blogs cannot teach that. It has to be experienced.

We make this forum welcoming to everyone but I certainly won't accept an Internet soccer fan comparing me to a scum fan as you did - and you know you did.

Oh, as for your question, no I don't go back and check people's contributions but I do have a really good memory - I remember the interesting posters and I remember the boring ones that copy half their content from soccer blogs and I especially remember the posters that were virulent AKBs living in India and stating that their most hated team was manure rather than the scum. That just says Internet soccer fan to me. I tend to remember them. I also remember posters that go missing for years on end because their beloved cult leader Arsene Wenger was getting slaughtered on here....

And, no this is not about race, before you whine about that. I have no idea what race you are and have no interest in that. But to me if you haven't put in the miles and the hours to go to games you are not a proper Gooner, just a soccer fan.

I won't ban you unless you keep up the wum / troll posting to provoke a reaction. Otherwise feel free to post away.

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

It's a shame, they were both funny, do you feel like you need to name the mod in question

It was g88ner.... nah only kidding!

The mod in question resigned and left the forum after that incident. He said "I didn't volunteer to mod and take insults off people".

I was like "you've had one ffs. I get 5 a day!"

Honestly you need a thick skin to mod this place, Lefty. You've no idea the amount of shit I deal with by pm, not just the crap on the forum threads.

ps:


Wow! This is almost a Quote Tower!

[Redarmy]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Firstly you're presuming about January signings but look how desperate we were last January and signed no one. When you talk about planning, did that involve offering a contract to a clearly average player like Nketiah or keeping clear deadweight like Elneny or Holding? When the World Cup is over our starting line up could be mid table at best. We are doing well at the moment but I feel like this always has to be attached in some way to the genius of Arteta when in reality he has made numerous mistakes. Il judge him in May

Not sure about the genius of Arteta i think you are right he has made mistakes....BUT you have to give the guy credit....we are top of both Premier and Europa leagues....
Managers get the shit when they loose....so have to give credit when they win.....
Hes doing great at present....IMO

[DB10GOONER]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Firstly you're presuming about January signings but look how desperate we were last January and signed no one. When you talk about planning, did that involve offering a contract to a clearly average player like Nketiah or keeping clear deadweight like Elneny or Holding? When the World Cup is over our starting line up could be mid table at best. We are doing well at the moment but I feel like this always has to be attached in some way to the genius of Arteta when in reality he has made numerous mistakes. Il judge him in May

Not sure about the genius of Arteta i think you are right he has made mistakes....BUT you have to give the guy credit....we are top of both Premier and Europa leagues....
Managers get the shit when they loose....so have to give credit when they win.....
Hes doing great at present....IMO

I think that's fair. And the majority of posters on here would agree. It only seems to be the rose tinted variety that can't bring themselves to admit when he's fucked it up though.

[DB10GOONER]

As a sadly missed poster once said "ooh, look at the gays fightin"

Ironically, do you know what he got the permanent ban for? Not the dwarf porn or the dog porn he and the sadly mourned Wayno famously posted one Friday night, not the often unsavoury and borderline jokes, nope, it was for insulting a mod (not me btw ). The mod in question pointed the post out to the owners and they whacked a permanent on him.

He was a funny bloke and great company. Met him in the Gunners before a scum game in 08 (I think) and had quite a piss up.

Also had a good piss up with him after that match we played against the Sunderland fans.

It's a shame, they were both funny, do you feel like you need to name the mod in question

It was g88ner.... nah only kidding!

The mod in question resigned and left the forum after that incident. He said "I didn't volunteer to mod and take insults off people".

I was like "you've had one ffs. I get 5 a day!"

Honestly you need a thick skin to mod this place, Lefty. You've no idea the amount of shit I deal with by pm, not just the crap on the forum threads.

Aaaah! Yes, but they're all warranted!

Imagine this in a middle aged Chicago Jewish guy accent....

Bastard.

[OneBardGooner]

A Voy!

[Nos89]

In the tower thread someone mentioned our lack of activity last January even though we were desperate for players. It's not comparable. Last season we were out both cups with no European football and only 17 league games to play. It was a case of offloading players and managing payroll costs.
This January we will be top of the league with the Europa League and dare I say a very good opportunity to not only finish in the top 4 but to win the league.
This time I believe money will be made available to buy the 3 players that will help Arteta deliver success.

[wilson2.0]

Signing good players in January is hard. Im not for signing anyone just for the sake of it. We have done this before and ended up with Willian, Luiz, ect. Sign only players that are a genuine fit for the club, players that have been scouted and identified as players who will improve the team. Just look at Melo at Liverpool, he appears to add depth to their squad but what's the point if he is total dog shit? We have come this far in large part to two seasons of careful recruitment. We cant just throw that carefulness out the window with regards to who we bring into the squad.

I think we will chase Danilo from Palmieras and maybe offer Leicester money for Tieleman's, given they are likely not going to get relegated.

[nut flush gooner]

I just feel our current position and performances are not an accident. But rather the result of some long-term planning. We are not first by accident, but rather as a cumulation of work done by Arteta and Edu.

Another thing with Arteta, is unlike Wenger he seems like he is in a hurry. Wenger was way too passive. Letting transfer windows go by without replacing Almunia, Bendtner, Ebooue ect. But with Arteta I get the feeling players like Lokonga and Tavares will not be allowed to fester at the club when it becomes apparent they are not a fit. I can already see us going for Danilo in January and apparently we haven't given up on Teilimans. If we could add two midfielders, it shows Arteta isnt fucking around. Not willing to waste the potential in our squad and not willing to keep giving chances to Lokonga.

Firstly you're presuming about January signings but look how desperate we were last January and signed no one. When you talk about planning, did that involve offering a contract to a clearly average player like Nketiah or keeping clear deadweight like Elneny or Holding? When the World Cup is over our starting line up could be mid table at best. We are doing well at the moment but I feel like this always has to be attached in some way to the genius of Arteta when in reality he has made numerous mistakes. Il judge him in May

Not sure about the genius of Arteta i think you are right he has made mistakes....BUT you have to give the guy credit....we are top of both Premier and Europa leagues....
Managers get the shit when they loose....so have to give credit when they win.....
Hes doing great at present....IMO

I think that's fair. And the majority of posters on here would agree. It only seems to be the rose tinted variety that can't bring themselves to admit when he's fucked it up though.

After we lost against Everton in December 2020, I for one couldn't argue with the club if they fired him there and then. I am a half-glass full type of person.

But since then, there has been a gradual progression. The young talent has come through the ranks at the same time something we haven't really seen since the mid-80s, and they have been complimented with talent from places like Brazil. Yeah, we fucked up at the back end of last season but despite the disappointment, there was progression year on year. Essentially we were back to the situation when Wenger left, but not going downhill this time.

And this season, no Gooner could have expected this start, but the recruitment was spot on and if we actually get out fingers out in January and make a few signings like Danilo and Mudryk, we could do some serious damage in the league. I am not saying we will necessarily win the fucker, but for the first time in years the big boys will take us seriously. And to get to that level in 3 years, Arteta and Edu will take a lot of credit for.