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SteveO 35 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:43 pm
I dont think anyone thinks that life is back to normal- more a case of people realising that they can't live like cavemen indefinitely

I remember when I sent my team home from work last March - we all thought we would be seeing each other a few weeks later.

People have missed family and friends for over a year, have largely observed public guidance, have sacrificed everything they enjoyed, have taken the vaccine (well 90pc of adults anyway)....and they've simply decided that they can't isolate forever and sacrifice everything worth living for endlessly

I thought my parents wouldn't set foot in a stadium given they are in their late 70s but went to the Chelsea game on Sunday. Its driven them mad being couped up indoors not seeing family. I think their view now is that if they gave up life's pleasures, then what is their to life?

You can live safely forever- find a job that allows you to never leave your house, get all your shopping delivered, never have visitors, wear a mask forever, never go on holiday. Unless you're a particular rare breed of person you'll wake up one day and wonder what the purpose to your life is
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Summed up perfectly on the BBC news feed:

"This study on waning vaccine effectiveness once again illustrates why we need to get used to Covid circulating.

This is not a virus that’s going to go away.

The vaccines do not work like they do for measles which provide life-long immunity.

Immunity was always expected to wane.


And another factor to consider is that repeated exposure to the virus is likely to increase the risk of a breakthrough infection – the increased likelihood over time of infection post-jabbing may not be all related to waning immunity.

Whatever the cause though, experts have been clear we should expect to be repeatedly infected over our lifetimes.

The important thing is that each re-infection should be milder as the vaccines remain highly effective at preventing serious illness.

What the vaccines have effectively done is taken the edge off the virus – given our immune system a head-start so those early infections are milder than they would have been for most.

What’s not clear yet is the merits of offering the most vulnerable a booster jab. It is likely to be a fine judgement call as there are so many unknowns – although the expectation is some will be offered it."


Basically, if you're strategy is to act like a caveman and expect to never contract COVID-19, you're in for a miserable life. Of course, protect yourself and don't take unnecessary risks but there isn't going to be a vaccine that ends this virus. Its here, its part of life for ever more and like every illness its now about living with it in the most manageable way, education and research to mitigate its impact. We don't ever expect a jab that will take flu or the common cold away forever, and thats the mindset we need here

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I agree that people should try to start living again, but I think there has to be a realisation that we will never be able to go back to how we were before. I don’t think many people have accepted that, I certainly havent. Implications probably should mean that at a minimum we should always wear masks on public transport and in shops.

You also have to wonder about mass participation events, for example gigs.
Although I have been to a few big outdoor sporting events this summer, I would have second thoughts about going to an indoor event this winter, despite being double jabbed.

Somehow infection levels have also got to come down, it is not just about preventing deaths, increased infections are going to mean the likelihood of more deadly mutations. far from being over, I think the delta variant is signalling the start of a much harder next stage of the pandemic, and I think the NHS will be overrun this winter, meaning further lockdowns are inevitable.

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BobbyPires7 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:09 pm
SteveO 35 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:43 pm
I dont think anyone thinks that life is back to normal- more a case of people realising that they can't live like cavemen indefinitely

I remember when I sent my team home from work last March - we all thought we would be seeing each other a few weeks later.

People have missed family and friends for over a year, have largely observed public guidance, have sacrificed everything they enjoyed, have taken the vaccine (well 90pc of adults anyway)....and they've simply decided that they can't isolate forever and sacrifice everything worth living for endlessly

I thought my parents wouldn't set foot in a stadium given they are in their late 70s but went to the Chelsea game on Sunday. Its driven them mad being couped up indoors not seeing family. I think their view now is that if they gave up life's pleasures, then what is their to life?

You can live safely forever- find a job that allows you to never leave your house, get all your shopping delivered, never have visitors, wear a mask forever, never go on holiday. Unless you're a particular rare breed of person you'll wake up one day and wonder what the purpose to your life is
:high5:
I was there last Sunday. I would put going to Arsenal as one of the most high-risk things you can do in a pandemic, given they haven't got a fucking clue how to manage a crowd. That concourse was heaving with pissed-up Gooners unmasked a bit like Wembley was for the Euro's final. I won't be going back to Arsenal in early September because to me, it's clear infections are rising again and all these music festivals, PL games and kids going to school will put the infection rates up. I do hope to go to the Spuds game, but we go to the Highbury Tavern these days which has a huge outdoor area and it's very safe. So before the game, there's not much COVID risk. I just have to accept I have no control over what other people do in the ground.

Yes hospitalisations/deaths are lower as a proportion of cases but Boris is gambling with our health, if he fucks up there will be another 50,000+ deaths this winter from COVID and god knows how many people will die of other life-threatening conditions because the NHS can't cope. I can tell you from personal experience I had to write a letter of complaint to a specialist in my local hospital because my Nurse specialist wouldn't return calls etc after a series of diagnostic tests I had, including one quite invasive one that was checking for cancer amongst other things. This is someone who I have known for years and has always been competent at what she does. That to me suggests she can't cope with workloads.

Remember what I said earlier this year, an unhealthy population equals an unhealthy economy. It's a fine juggling act.

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nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:28 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:09 pm
SteveO 35 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:43 pm
I dont think anyone thinks that life is back to normal- more a case of people realising that they can't live like cavemen indefinitely

I remember when I sent my team home from work last March - we all thought we would be seeing each other a few weeks later.

People have missed family and friends for over a year, have largely observed public guidance, have sacrificed everything they enjoyed, have taken the vaccine (well 90pc of adults anyway)....and they've simply decided that they can't isolate forever and sacrifice everything worth living for endlessly

I thought my parents wouldn't set foot in a stadium given they are in their late 70s but went to the Chelsea game on Sunday. Its driven them mad being couped up indoors not seeing family. I think their view now is that if they gave up life's pleasures, then what is their to life?

You can live safely forever- find a job that allows you to never leave your house, get all your shopping delivered, never have visitors, wear a mask forever, never go on holiday. Unless you're a particular rare breed of person you'll wake up one day and wonder what the purpose to your life is
:high5:
I was there last Sunday. I would put going to Arsenal as one of the most high-risk things you can do in a pandemic, given they haven't got a fucking clue how to manage a crowd. That concourse was heaving with pissed-up Gooners unmasked a bit like Wembley was for the Euro's final. I won't be going back to Arsenal in early September because to me, it's clear infections are rising again and all these music festivals, PL games and kids going to school will put the infection rates up. I do hope to go to the Spuds game, but we go to the Highbury Tavern these days which has a huge outdoor area and it's very safe. So before the game, there's not much COVID risk. I just have to accept I have no control over what other people do in the ground.

Yes hospitalisations/deaths are lower as a proportion of cases but Boris is gambling with our health, if he fucks up there will be another 50,000+ deaths this winter from COVID and god knows how many people will die of other life-threatening conditions because the NHS can't cope. I can tell you from personal experience I had to write a letter of complaint to a specialist in my local hospital because my Nurse specialist wouldn't return calls etc after a series of diagnostic tests I had, including one quite invasive one that was checking for cancer amongst other things. This is someone who I have known for years and has always been competent at what she does. That to me suggests she can't cope with workloads.

Remember what I said earlier this year, an unhealthy population equals an unhealthy economy. It's a fine juggling act.
From what I hear and see mate, I don't think Arsenal are any more guilty of failing to control a crowd than anyone else. When I was up at West Brom they had one bar area open for 2,750 people.......about a dozen I spotted had masks, everyone was pretty much singing together, hugging and queuing like sardines in a tin. Stewards were few and far between as were coppers. My son has just come back from the Reading festival and said the mosh pits were basically the same as they ever were.

Hope your tests were all good anyway - stay healthy mate.

I'm not flippant about getting COVID by the way - I just think with two sons aged 21 and 17, its virtually impossible for me to operate 'risk free'. As it said in the article I posted, I think many of us have to live with the probability of being infected multiple times in our lifetime. If you're high risk then obviously I don't blame anyone trying to do the most they can to mitigate that, but I just can't see that we can stop life resuming as normal for the many when its a disease that will likely exist forever

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Live your life Steve . Up here in Norfolk I would say my life pretty much back to normal . I went to the pub yesterday pm , went in a quiet Tesco with no mask . I have also travelled to Spain twice in two months .
I Do a lat flow test each working day but life is for living .
If you are old and worried (G Rob) , fine stay at home and don’t winge . Don’t stop the young adults having fun .

Steve’s young sons gave up a year of their life to protect the ungrateful oap’s who have lived their life

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shu wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:02 pm
Live your life Steve . Up here in Norfolk I would say my life pretty much back to normal . I went to the pub yesterday pm , went in a quiet Tesco with no mask . I have also travelled to Spain twice in two months .
I Do a lat flow test each working day but life is for living .
If you are old and worried (G Rob) , fine stay at home and don’t winge . Don’t stop the young adults having fun .

Steve’s young sons gave up a year of their life to protect the ungrateful oap’s who have lived their life
I have my concerns but I’m not staying at home - I imagine my life in London also probably comes with taking more COVID risks than up in sleepy rural Norfolk.

Been on packed tube trains, couple of flights and a visit to a packed Lords in the last month.
I’m quite ok with that, all I am saying is that going into the winter, with more concentrated time indoors, going to ram packed gigs might be a step too far. Just not sure at present.

I certainly wouldn’t see any risk at all going to Arsenal - all the seats are outdoors. Just don’t go for a drink half time if you are concerned. Just can’t be arsed to even buy a ticket though right now - who would ?

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Fair enough Rob , well said :D

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shu wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:02 pm
Live your life Steve . Up here in Norfolk I would say my life pretty much back to normal . I went to the pub yesterday pm , went in a quiet Tesco with no mask . I have also travelled to Spain twice in two months .
I Do a lat flow test each working day but life is for living .
If you are old and worried (G Rob) , fine stay at home and don’t winge . Don’t stop the young adults having fun .

Steve’s young sons gave up a year of their life to protect the ungrateful oap’s who have lived their life
Come on now, I doubt many OAPs wanted to spend their precious time stuck in the house. All the older generation I met during the lockdown were against it. They are far from the snowflake generation

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:49 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:28 am
BobbyPires7 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:09 pm
SteveO 35 wrote:
Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:43 pm
I dont think anyone thinks that life is back to normal- more a case of people realising that they can't live like cavemen indefinitely

I remember when I sent my team home from work last March - we all thought we would be seeing each other a few weeks later.

People have missed family and friends for over a year, have largely observed public guidance, have sacrificed everything they enjoyed, have taken the vaccine (well 90pc of adults anyway)....and they've simply decided that they can't isolate forever and sacrifice everything worth living for endlessly

I thought my parents wouldn't set foot in a stadium given they are in their late 70s but went to the Chelsea game on Sunday. Its driven them mad being couped up indoors not seeing family. I think their view now is that if they gave up life's pleasures, then what is their to life?

You can live safely forever- find a job that allows you to never leave your house, get all your shopping delivered, never have visitors, wear a mask forever, never go on holiday. Unless you're a particular rare breed of person you'll wake up one day and wonder what the purpose to your life is
:high5:
I was there last Sunday. I would put going to Arsenal as one of the most high-risk things you can do in a pandemic, given they haven't got a fucking clue how to manage a crowd. That concourse was heaving with pissed-up Gooners unmasked a bit like Wembley was for the Euro's final. I won't be going back to Arsenal in early September because to me, it's clear infections are rising again and all these music festivals, PL games and kids going to school will put the infection rates up. I do hope to go to the Spuds game, but we go to the Highbury Tavern these days which has a huge outdoor area and it's very safe. So before the game, there's not much COVID risk. I just have to accept I have no control over what other people do in the ground.

Yes hospitalisations/deaths are lower as a proportion of cases but Boris is gambling with our health, if he fucks up there will be another 50,000+ deaths this winter from COVID and god knows how many people will die of other life-threatening conditions because the NHS can't cope. I can tell you from personal experience I had to write a letter of complaint to a specialist in my local hospital because my Nurse specialist wouldn't return calls etc after a series of diagnostic tests I had, including one quite invasive one that was checking for cancer amongst other things. This is someone who I have known for years and has always been competent at what she does. That to me suggests she can't cope with workloads.

Remember what I said earlier this year, an unhealthy population equals an unhealthy economy. It's a fine juggling act.
From what I hear and see mate, I don't think Arsenal are any more guilty of failing to control a crowd than anyone else. When I was up at West Brom they had one bar area open for 2,750 people.......about a dozen I spotted had masks, everyone was pretty much singing together, hugging and queuing like sardines in a tin. Stewards were few and far between as were coppers. My son has just come back from the Reading festival and said the mosh pits were basically the same as they ever were.

Hope your tests were all good anyway - stay healthy mate.

I'm not flippant about getting COVID by the way - I just think with two sons aged 21 and 17, its virtually impossible for me to operate 'risk free'. As it said in the article I posted, I think many of us have to live with the probability of being infected multiple times in our lifetime. If you're high risk then obviously I don't blame anyone trying to do the most they can to mitigate that, but I just can't see that we can stop life resuming as normal for the many when its a disease that will likely exist forever
You went up to West Brom, fair play I went there years ago what a shithole and I had possibly the worst kebab of my life. I can still taste it now!

All the lateral flow tests after the cricket and footy came back negative, so all good there. I even had an antibody test the other week, and encouragingly it showed positive meaning I have some antibodies.

At the Emirates one of my pals is in his 70s and was masked up inside the stadium. Personally, I couldn't do that for 90 minutes. Its pointless being at the game for me if I cant release a bit of pent up frustration, or even get behind the team which is challenging these days!

Ive had a pretty normal life for quite a while now, just making adjustments to do as much outdoors as possible. Sitting outside a pub in the summer is much more appealing to me anyway. Assuming I get the booster soon, I will carry on going to the games throughout the season. Although it was a shit game last weekend, to meet pals I haven’t seen for 16 months was the highlight of the day.

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207 deaths today - the figures keep rising.

I think this is the situation now - what level of deaths will the country tolerate each day?

200 everyday - maybe, but we haven’t barely got out of summer yet.
By the way on this day last year there were just 10 deaths here in the UK. This delta variant is a bit of a bastard.

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Third covid vaccine done, turning into a bit of a junkie these days!

Still, immunity will start to kick in time for the spuds game. Boy, will I need it with the scum around.

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Choices have to be made by people - time to start taking responsibility rather than rely on the Government for everything. If you were worried about air quality or suffered with heart disease you wouldn't wait for the Government to legislate for everything - its about education and personal choices. Of course the Government haven't covered themselves in glory - the (lack of) border control was nothing short of farcical and led directly to this third wave with the Delta variant. However, we will face god knows how many mutations for years to come. If you're vulnerable, don't put yourself in high risk situations......but pointless lockdowns etc will prove to be exactly that.....pointless.

Take the jab, accept boosters, live life!

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Future lockdowns will depend on two things:

1. Whether hospitals are overwhelmed. In that case then lockdown is inevitable, and certainly not pointless.
However very little chance of hospitals struggling right now - possibly a chance in December/January but still highly unlikely there will be another full lockdown

2. What we all tolerate the daily death rate to be. Currently about 150 a day on average over the week.
What happens if/when that doubles ? Still happy? Personally I don’t think anything will happen until we have an average of 2,000 dead a week, but that figure is possible this winter.

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