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Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Not everyone though. Just a few complete morons. :wink:

Not sure where you get the idea anyone on here "whines" about being labelled negative. :lol: Most on here don't care a single fuck what some rose tinted superfan thinks about them - or anything else for that matter.

If you know anything about football and football fans you'll know the vast majority of fans have a mix of positivity and negativity in their feelings towards their club, manager and players. Then there's the group of childlike deluded superfans that cannot see or admit to themselves that their club and everything associated with their club isn't perfect, the kind that get upset when the negative aspects of their club are pointed out.

Every club has them. Arsenal unfortunately have quite a large chunk of them. You go on any other club's forums, and on a lot of football websites, and the fans that get the piss taken out of them and are mocked the most are Arsenal fans. Of course utter shit like AFTV and our more vocal Twatter based fans haven't helped there. :roll:

We've been lucky on this forum that those kind of delusional rose tinted fans don't tend to join and if they do most of them don't stick around too long.

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am
herbert wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:07 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:31 pm
OneBardGooner wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:14 pm
fivetothree wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:30 pm
You are deluded by your hate mate. There was nothing in the Amazon documentary showing that.

Xhaka has definitely improved this year. Is he good enough for a title team? No, and we will probably upgrade him at the end of the season. But your blinkers with him are laughable tbh.

There were a number of incidents - Try looking again, unless of course you are a Clive Luvvie :?
Like when Wenger was dragging this great club down with his own ego the fanboys can't look at it without their rose tinted blinkers on. These are the type of superfans that used to tell anyone that questioned Wenger to "go support the chavs" mate. :roll: :lol:
I do agree that he milked the latest get together after Parteys goal but I put that down to over enthusiasm after his rebirth 😁

Anyway all those professional football managers who have picked and continue to pick him are not Clive luvvies or rose tinted glass wearing fanboys
What's their excuse for thinking he contributes to their teams?
The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:59 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Not everyone though. Just a few complete morons. :wink:

Not sure where you get the idea anyone on here "whines" about being labelled negative. :lol: Most on here don't care a single fuck what some rose tinted superfan thinks about them - or anything else for that matter.

If you know anything about football and football fans you'll know the vast majority of fans have a mix of positivity and negativity in their feelings towards their club, manager and players. Then there's the group of childlike deluded superfans that cannot see or admit to themselves that their club and everything associated with their club isn't perfect, the kind that get upset when the negative aspects of their club are pointed out.

Every club has them. Arsenal unfortunately have quite a large chunk of them. You go on any other club's forums, and on a lot of football websites, and the fans that get the piss taken out of them and are mocked the most are Arsenal fans. Of course utter shit like AFTV and our more vocal Twatter based fans haven't helped there. :roll:

We've been lucky on this forum that those kind of delusional rose tinted fans don't tend to join and if they do most of them don't stick around too long.
A bit OTT

For many football is a positive realise from everything else that is going on in there lives ,unconditional support and bias is tolerated on the terraces and they should be welcomed on to this forum

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herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:01 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am
herbert wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:07 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:31 pm
OneBardGooner wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:14 pm



There were a number of incidents - Try looking again, unless of course you are a Clive Luvvie :?
Like when Wenger was dragging this great club down with his own ego the fanboys can't look at it without their rose tinted blinkers on. These are the type of superfans that used to tell anyone that questioned Wenger to "go support the chavs" mate. :roll: :lol:
I do agree that he milked the latest get together after Parteys goal but I put that down to over enthusiasm after his rebirth 😁

Anyway all those professional football managers who have picked and continue to pick him are not Clive luvvies or rose tinted glass wearing fanboys
What's their excuse for thinking he contributes to their teams?
The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9
But how many of them were top managers?

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:48 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Negative!?? :shock:


I said a while back that I am "beginning to warm to Arteta", but what I still don't get is his insistence on selecting xhaka week in week out, when until recently when his playing position was changed from Mid-field holder; which he never was or will be because he has no pace, he cannot think on the ball and be creative nor does he drive the play forward. So if anything I am relieved (not glad) that he is more forward in the play even though I would prefer he wasn't on the pitch at all AND the reasons for that are that he still has the 'rick' in him, he proved that last week against the scum, it was his inability to use the necessary skills to simply control and / or clear the ball, but instead his actions or in-actions simply put our defence under even more pressure & panic and so Gabrielle had to make a last ditch challenge, and so gave away the pen.

I heard some fans blaming Gabriel for that, but he was put in that situation by xhaka.

He will always have that 'rick' in his game, he makes the clumsiest challenges even when there is no danger and no need to make a challenge. He acts the hard man; I dunno maybe he actually believes he is, but just because he is (age wise) one of the senior players doesn't automatically make him a leader, because he is not. If you look at the stats he plays the ball either sideways or backwards more than any other Arsenal player.

And top it all off in the recent All Or Nothing documentary

a) He tried to blame and dig out Saka for a mistake that lead to a goal being scored against us, when anyone with even one eye could see it was down to him.
b) In one of the games when we were losing, at half-time he came into the dressing room shouting about how 'we' the team are just not good enough, but he had in fact been the worst player on the pitch... He was giving it the BIG I am etc... But as soon as Arteta came into the dressing room he dropped his head and shut up.
c) He has Never Apologised for his behaviour when he threw a tantrum, told everyone to 'fuck-off' and threw his shirt on the floor.

But he then went on to do a number of interviews in the media claiming he was being trolled on Twitter etc.

He said his family called names etc, which is 100% WRONG.

But the fact remains is he has Never Apologised and yet he seems to have been given a 'get out of jail' card. It is no coincidence that during the Documentary the club did a "fluff" piece on him... He was the only player that the camera's followed and went into his home to show him playing with his kids etc, as if to say see he is a nice home loving guy; which I'm certain he is, BUT as a player and how he conducts himself as a player as he has never accepted the Balme when he has caused the penalties or giving the ball away that lead to a goal that lost us the game. Why? Because I reckon he is something of a coward.

I just wish some Journo would step up and ask him " Why have you never apologised to the Arsenal fans?". But of course the club would not allow that.
I wasn't necessarily talking about you mate. I am pretty sure you love Arteta but have to temper down your feelings in the forum due to peer pressure :lol:

I am not going to debate on Xhaka's footballing abilities because to me he is a limited footballer who has way too many flaws. He may do well in a slower league like Serie A and tends to play well for Switzerland but he is absolutely not fit othe PL. Neither Emery or Arteta would have signed him if he was playing for another team but once they inherited him they seem to trust him with leadership role. Even Mourinho openly praised and flirted with him but never made a serious bid. This kind of proves that managers view him through a different glass than us fans do.


You can come to your own conclusions from the Amazon documentary but a few hours heavily edited clippings from a 10 month season is hardly enough evidence to judge how players feel about other players. You mentioned the "fluff* piece that the club did for him in the documentary. If they were that adamant to improve his image, why not edit the clips that you mentioned shows that his teammates don't respect him? Players have spoken highly of him on print and let's not forget he was chosen as the captain through a player's vote under Emery.

Now coming to the episode when he threw the tantrum. While Xhaka has never been popular with the larger fan base, the boos and jeering that he received that day has a lot to do with the element of toxicity around the club at the time. Players are expected to take that in without responding given they are multi millionaires and a privileged lot but at a human level it is difficult enough to get booed and abused on away games but to experience that from our own fans is not easy to deal with. Xhaka's conduct that way was absolutely scandalous for a club captain but I do wonder whether fans should be ready to get as good as they give. I would be surprised if him and his family were NOT getting dog's abuse on social media given how toxic that place even at the best of times.

All said and done though and fast forwarding 3 years, the same fans are cheering him and singing his name albeit again that being lot to do with the good feeling around the club rather than Xhaka being Mr Popular again. If the fans at the stadium have forgiven him without him ever apologising maybe the rest should move on too.

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:22 pm
herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:01 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am
herbert wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:07 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:31 pm


Like when Wenger was dragging this great club down with his own ego the fanboys can't look at it without their rose tinted blinkers on. These are the type of superfans that used to tell anyone that questioned Wenger to "go support the chavs" mate. :roll: :lol:
I do agree that he milked the latest get together after Parteys goal but I put that down to over enthusiasm after his rebirth 😁

Anyway all those professional football managers who have picked and continue to pick him are not Clive luvvies or rose tinted glass wearing fanboys
What's their excuse for thinking he contributes to their teams?
The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9
But how many of them were top managers?
You do realise that Emery has won more European Cups than we have as a club right? While he turned out to be the wrong manager at the wrong time for the club, he is hardly a mug.

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Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:24 pm
OneBardGooner wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:48 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Negative!?? :shock:


I said a while back that I am "beginning to warm to Arteta", but what I still don't get is his insistence on selecting xhaka week in week out, when until recently when his playing position was changed from Mid-field holder; which he never was or will be because he has no pace, he cannot think on the ball and be creative nor does he drive the play forward. So if anything I am relieved (not glad) that he is more forward in the play even though I would prefer he wasn't on the pitch at all AND the reasons for that are that he still has the 'rick' in him, he proved that last week against the scum, it was his inability to use the necessary skills to simply control and / or clear the ball, but instead his actions or in-actions simply put our defence under even more pressure & panic and so Gabrielle had to make a last ditch challenge, and so gave away the pen.

I heard some fans blaming Gabriel for that, but he was put in that situation by xhaka.

He will always have that 'rick' in his game, he makes the clumsiest challenges even when there is no danger and no need to make a challenge. He acts the hard man; I dunno maybe he actually believes he is, but just because he is (age wise) one of the senior players doesn't automatically make him a leader, because he is not. If you look at the stats he plays the ball either sideways or backwards more than any other Arsenal player.

And top it all off in the recent All Or Nothing documentary

a) He tried to blame and dig out Saka for a mistake that lead to a goal being scored against us, when anyone with even one eye could see it was down to him.
b) In one of the games when we were losing, at half-time he came into the dressing room shouting about how 'we' the team are just not good enough, but he had in fact been the worst player on the pitch... He was giving it the BIG I am etc... But as soon as Arteta came into the dressing room he dropped his head and shut up.
c) He has Never Apologised for his behaviour when he threw a tantrum, told everyone to 'fuck-off' and threw his shirt on the floor.

But he then went on to do a number of interviews in the media claiming he was being trolled on Twitter etc.

He said his family called names etc, which is 100% WRONG.

But the fact remains is he has Never Apologised and yet he seems to have been given a 'get out of jail' card. It is no coincidence that during the Documentary the club did a "fluff" piece on him... He was the only player that the camera's followed and went into his home to show him playing with his kids etc, as if to say see he is a nice home loving guy; which I'm certain he is, BUT as a player and how he conducts himself as a player as he has never accepted the Balme when he has caused the penalties or giving the ball away that lead to a goal that lost us the game. Why? Because I reckon he is something of a coward.

I just wish some Journo would step up and ask him " Why have you never apologised to the Arsenal fans?". But of course the club would not allow that.
I wasn't necessarily talking about you mate. I am pretty sure you love Arteta but have to temper down your feelings in the forum due to peer pressure :lol:

I am not going to debate on Xhaka's footballing abilities because to me he is a limited footballer who has way too many flaws. He may do well in a slower league like Serie A and tends to play well for Switzerland but he is absolutely not fit othe PL. Neither Emery or Arteta would have signed him if he was playing for another team but once they inherited him they seem to trust him with leadership role. Even Mourinho openly praised and flirted with him but never made a serious bid. This kind of proves that managers view him through a different glass than us fans do.


You can come to your own conclusions from the Amazon documentary but a few hours heavily edited clippings from a 10 month season is hardly enough evidence to judge how players feel about other players. You mentioned the "fluff* piece that the club did for him in the documentary. If they were that adamant to improve his image, why not edit the clips that you mentioned shows that his teammates don't respect him? Players have spoken highly of him on print and let's not forget he was chosen as the captain through a player's vote under Emery.

Now coming to the episode when he threw the tantrum. While Xhaka has never been popular with the larger fan base, the boos and jeering that he received that day has a lot to do with the element of toxicity around the club at the time. Players are expected to take that in without responding given they are multi millionaires and a privileged lot but at a human level it is difficult enough to get booed and abused on away games but to experience that from our own fans is not easy to deal with. Xhaka's conduct that way was absolutely scandalous for a club captain but I do wonder whether fans should be ready to get as good as they give. I would be surprised if him and his family were NOT getting dog's abuse on social media given how toxic that place even at the best of times.

All said and done though and fast forwarding 3 years, the same fans are cheering him and singing his name albeit again that being lot to do with the good feeling around the club rather than Xhaka being Mr Popular again. If the fans at the stadium have forgiven him without him ever apologising maybe the rest should move on too.
1. I know, but others that come on here seem to think 'any' criticism of artery or anything to do with the club is a crime... I usually try and criticise constructively; unless it's on a game day and I am angry at something/ someone... Mind you don't we all get "Heated" :wink:

2. Good description :high5:

3. Well, that is how it came across and as we all know; xhaka is something of a 'teachers pet' when it comes to Arteta.

4. In part I think that is true, But he was part of that toxicity; perhaps un-wittingly because it Really was 'Toxic'.

4. Yes, (again) I think that is true, I am due to go to a few games this season.. Providing my mate comes through with the (promised :wink: ) tickets... and I am really looking forward to not just actually 'seeing' my team play Live again, but being part of the "Very Good and Positive" atmosphere that now exists and it must be said much of that is down to Arteta, he could see & feel it was a Must to change that and so far so good!.

5. I guess some are more fickle than others. :D


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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:22 pm
herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:01 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am
herbert wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:07 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:31 pm


Like when Wenger was dragging this great club down with his own ego the fanboys can't look at it without their rose tinted blinkers on. These are the type of superfans that used to tell anyone that questioned Wenger to "go support the chavs" mate. :roll: :lol:
I do agree that he milked the latest get together after Parteys goal but I put that down to over enthusiasm after his rebirth 😁

Anyway all those professional football managers who have picked and continue to pick him are not Clive luvvies or rose tinted glass wearing fanboys
What's their excuse for thinking he contributes to their teams?
The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9
But how many of them were top managers?
Managing at international level and top league domestically I would imagine they all have their moments

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herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:34 pm
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:22 pm
herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:01 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am
herbert wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:07 pm


I do agree that he milked the latest get together after Parteys goal but I put that down to over enthusiasm after his rebirth 😁

Anyway all those professional football managers who have picked and continue to pick him are not Clive luvvies or rose tinted glass wearing fanboys
What's their excuse for thinking he contributes to their teams?
The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9
But how many of them were top managers?
Managing at international level and top league domestically I would imagine they all have their moments
neil warnock managed in a top league :lol:

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IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:58 pm
herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:34 pm
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:22 pm
herbert wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:01 am
IW8Goalmachine wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:42 am


The professional football managers you mention of are a run down Wenger and Emery
You know he has played for more than them 2
I can't be bothered to research it but including international managers it must be 8 or 9
But how many of them were top managers?
Managing at international level and top league domestically I would imagine they all have their moments
neil warnock managed in a top league :lol:
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DB10GOONER wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:59 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Not everyone though. Just a few complete morons. :wink:

Not sure where you get the idea anyone on here "whines" about being labelled negative. :lol: Most on here don't care a single fuck what some rose tinted superfan thinks about them - or anything else for that matter.

If you know anything about football and football fans you'll know the vast majority of fans have a mix of positivity and negativity in their feelings towards their club, manager and players. Then there's the group of childlike deluded superfans that cannot see or admit to themselves that their club and everything associated with their club isn't perfect, the kind that get upset when the negative aspects of their club are pointed out.

Every club has them. Arsenal unfortunately have quite a large chunk of them. You go on any other club's forums, and on a lot of football websites, and the fans that get the piss taken out of them and are mocked the most are Arsenal fans. Of course utter shit like AFTV and our more vocal Twatter based fans haven't helped there. :roll:

We've been lucky on this forum that those kind of delusional rose tinted fans don't tend to join and if they do most of them don't stick around too long.
There are two ends to the scale mate. Fans whose default tendency is to criticize and mock everything that the club does, who have a proconceived opinion about some players and manager that they would rather be proven right over than the club doing well are as much a 'credit' to the fanbase as the deluded supafans that you described who can't hear a bad thing about the club.

It's funny that you mentioned AFTV because that channel gained popularity/notoriety due to the avalanche of negative opinions about the club and Wenger during his later years. Yet it seems that some people are still stuck in that era of cynicism when after years the general fanbase are united and excited about what this group of players can achieve.

People get mocked around here for "flip flopping" but I have more respect for those who are willing to change their views than those who are way too stuck up in their opinions and no evidence on the contrary is good enough for them.

Lastly and my better sense is asking me to ignore it as it is a frivolous thing but I do wonder what is the motivation behind not giving the manager the basic courtesy of being called by his name other than a misplaced sense of self importance and propensity to mock.

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Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:36 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:59 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Not everyone though. Just a few complete morons. :wink:

Not sure where you get the idea anyone on here "whines" about being labelled negative. :lol: Most on here don't care a single fuck what some rose tinted superfan thinks about them - or anything else for that matter.

If you know anything about football and football fans you'll know the vast majority of fans have a mix of positivity and negativity in their feelings towards their club, manager and players. Then there's the group of childlike deluded superfans that cannot see or admit to themselves that their club and everything associated with their club isn't perfect, the kind that get upset when the negative aspects of their club are pointed out.

Every club has them. Arsenal unfortunately have quite a large chunk of them. You go on any other club's forums, and on a lot of football websites, and the fans that get the piss taken out of them and are mocked the most are Arsenal fans. Of course utter shit like AFTV and our more vocal Twatter based fans haven't helped there. :roll:

We've been lucky on this forum that those kind of delusional rose tinted fans don't tend to join and if they do most of them don't stick around too long.
There are two ends to the scale mate. Fans whose default tendency is to criticize and mock everything that the club does, who have a proconceived opinion about some players and manager that they would rather be proven right over than the club doing well are as much a 'credit' to the fanbase as the deluded supafans that you described who can't hear a bad thing about the club.

It's funny that you mentioned AFTV because that channel gained popularity/notoriety due to the avalanche of negative opinions about the club and Wenger during his later years. Yet it seems that some people are still stuck in that era of cynicism when after years the general fanbase are united and excited about what this group of players can achieve.

People get mocked around here for "flip flopping" but I have more respect for those who are willing to change their views than those who are way too stuck up in their opinions and no evidence on the contrary is good enough for them.

Lastly and my better sense is asking me to ignore it as it is a frivolous thing but I do wonder what is the motivation behind not giving the manager the basic courtesy of being called by his name other than a misplaced sense of self importance and propensity to mock.
Oh dear. "Self importance"? On a football forum? :lol:

It's called banter, sarcasm. I've called him Martinez-Lite since he was appointed and will do so as long as I like - it is a free world after all - but it originates as a sarcastic comparison to the likeable but not very successful Roberto Martinez. When he wins me over I'll probably revert to calling him Arteta but he hasn't win me over yet.

I liked him as a player but don't care if he is likeable as a manager, or if he makes the club a nice place to be, he has to win trophies. When he does that he gets my vote. And contrary to the rubbish some people post on here I actually do want him to win trophies and be successful.

As for flip flopping.... I'm not referring to people that grow to change an opinion over time, or are proven wrong, accept that, and change their opinion... I'm referring to the loudmouths that suddenly switch to the opposite opinion and are then equally obnoxious in presenting their new opinion.

I do agree though that the intractability of opinion does certainly cut both ways. We had posters on here that could not bring themselves to enjoy the three last FA Cups that we won, before Martinez-Lite came in, because Wenger was the manager. I've never understood that.

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Re: The Official (Clive) Xhakatard is a useless crunt thread

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:29 pm
fivetothree wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:30 pm
You are deluded by your hate mate. There was nothing in the Amazon documentary showing that.

Xhaka has definitely improved this year. Is he good enough for a title team? No, and we will probably upgrade him at the end of the season. But your blinkers with him are laughable tbh.
Deluded? Laughable? :lol: After some of the deluded garbage you have posted on here? :lol: Get a fucking grip mate. Don't be stupid.

Before you come on here with shit accusations like that, take off your fanboy blinkers and watch the Amazon thing again. Watch where Smith-Rowe sneers at him for always walking right back into the team. Watch where Saka takes him to task for cowardly blaming his fuck up on Saka. Watch where after nealy every bad result, he struts into the dressing room ranting and spouting shit after being the worst player on the pitch and look at the faces on his teammates. Watch where he tells his team mates to release the ball quicker after he has slowed down every attack we have had and look again at the faces around him. Watch the hilarious scene where he rants and screams like a spoiled child and the entire dressing room has had enough and just ignores him.
You are unhinged, he does none of that in the documentary. He has a go at the team when they underperform - good, didn't see anyone else there doing it.

Lol, I barely post here. Get in the bin.

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Re: The Official (Clive) Xhakatard is a useless crunt thread

Post by fivetothree »

OneBardGooner wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:14 pm
fivetothree wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:30 pm
You are deluded by your hate mate. There was nothing in the Amazon documentary showing that.

Xhaka has definitely improved this year. Is he good enough for a title team? No, and we will probably upgrade him at the end of the season. But your blinkers with him are laughable tbh.

There were a number of incidents - Try looking again, unless of course you are a Clive Luvvie :?
Did you miss where I said we should upgrade him at the end of the season? You belong on AFTV.

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Re: The Official (Clive) Xhakatard is a useless crunt thread

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:26 pm
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:36 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:59 am
Gunnerz4life wrote:
Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am
Gotta love the labeling of anyone who has anything different to say other than "Xhaka is a c*nt" as a supafan and Clive luvvie. Yet those same individuals whine about being labelled negative.

Not hypocritical at all.
Not everyone though. Just a few complete morons. :wink:

Not sure where you get the idea anyone on here "whines" about being labelled negative. :lol: Most on here don't care a single fuck what some rose tinted superfan thinks about them - or anything else for that matter.

If you know anything about football and football fans you'll know the vast majority of fans have a mix of positivity and negativity in their feelings towards their club, manager and players. Then there's the group of childlike deluded superfans that cannot see or admit to themselves that their club and everything associated with their club isn't perfect, the kind that get upset when the negative aspects of their club are pointed out.

Every club has them. Arsenal unfortunately have quite a large chunk of them. You go on any other club's forums, and on a lot of football websites, and the fans that get the piss taken out of them and are mocked the most are Arsenal fans. Of course utter shit like AFTV and our more vocal Twatter based fans haven't helped there. :roll:

We've been lucky on this forum that those kind of delusional rose tinted fans don't tend to join and if they do most of them don't stick around too long.
There are two ends to the scale mate. Fans whose default tendency is to criticize and mock everything that the club does, who have a proconceived opinion about some players and manager that they would rather be proven right over than the club doing well are as much a 'credit' to the fanbase as the deluded supafans that you described who can't hear a bad thing about the club.

It's funny that you mentioned AFTV because that channel gained popularity/notoriety due to the avalanche of negative opinions about the club and Wenger during his later years. Yet it seems that some people are still stuck in that era of cynicism when after years the general fanbase are united and excited about what this group of players can achieve.

People get mocked around here for "flip flopping" but I have more respect for those who are willing to change their views than those who are way too stuck up in their opinions and no evidence on the contrary is good enough for them.

Lastly and my better sense is asking me to ignore it as it is a frivolous thing but I do wonder what is the motivation behind not giving the manager the basic courtesy of being called by his name other than a misplaced sense of self importance and propensity to mock.
Oh dear. "Self importance"? On a football forum? :lol:

It's called banter, sarcasm. I've called him Martinez-Lite since he was appointed and will do so as long as I like - it is a free world after all - but it originates as a sarcastic comparison to the likeable but not very successful Roberto Martinez. When he wins me over I'll probably revert to calling him Arteta but he hasn't win me over yet.

I liked him as a player but don't care if he is likeable as a manager, or if he makes the club a nice place to be, he has to win trophies. When he does that he gets my vote. And contrary to the rubbish some people post on here I actually do want him to win trophies and be successful.

As for flip flopping.... I'm not referring to people that grow to change an opinion over time, or are proven wrong, accept that, and change their opinion... I'm referring to the loudmouths that suddenly switch to the opposite opinion and are then equally obnoxious in presenting their new opinion.

I do agree though that the intractability of opinion does certainly cut both ways. We had posters on here that could not bring themselves to enjoy the three last FA Cups that we won, before Martinez-Lite came in, because Wenger was the manager. I've never understood that.
I can't say that I get the banter and sarcasm in calling a someone who has just come in a mocking name. I wonder what Arteta had done to gain that privilege when we don't feel the need to give new players colorful names. I am glad that you had mentioned that you have used the name ever since he was appointed because that is exactly my point about bias and agendas. You obviously didn't and don't rate him, you thought and think that he is a novice who is going to flop and it is apparently upto him to prove you wrong.

Not every game that we will lose this season will be down to a Xhaka howler or an Arteta mistake :wink: . When he started Tomi yesterday, I was a bit worried, not for us because I knew Tomi is more than capable but for Arteta for the flack he would have received if Salah had skinned Tomi and put one in the top corner (which he is more than capable of doing to KT). Yet does Arteta get any credit for getting it right? Nope.

The fact that Arteta is having to fight a preconceived notion and negative opinion of him with certain fans of no real fault of his is inherently unfair. Forget fairness, how is a comparison with Martinez even logical when Arteta had no previous history of failure?

And Arteta has already delivered a "trophy" but that did not give him any leeway with the name calling now did it? There is a sense of entitlement with certain fans when it comes to winning trophies but they are not willing to invest in the 'process' or what it would take to get us there. Trophies are brilliant and the ultimate goal but progression is not solely dependent on them. We won the odd FA cups under Wenger and while they were fantastic, but they did not get us anywhere as a football club, the gap between the PL top teams and us kept on increasing.

Being a manager of a top club like Arsenal, Arteta will be judged on trophies but his contribution thus far and hopefully going forth in creating a team and a mentality to compete for the top honors should be respected.

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