The Pimped Club Thread (merged)

As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
User avatar
Clummo99
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Clummo99 »

www.bbc.com/sport/football/64536785.amp

Probably worm their way out of it again but let's hope the authorities keep the cheating b'stards in the crosshairs.

NickF98
Posts: 65
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:19 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by NickF98 »

Bet they get a monetary fine, which is absolutely pointless given their owners wealth.

User avatar
Clummo99
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Clummo99 »

This is potentiality huge. Over 100 charges of financial doping for the period 2009/10 to 2017/18.

Something all football fans have been convinced of since the Arabs took over.

A11M11
Posts: 2198
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:07 am

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by A11M11 »

Who knows but maybe they will start looking at Boehly too . Should get something done by 2030 after he has sold up .

nut flush gooner
Posts: 4010
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23 am

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by nut flush gooner »

Man City firmly in the shit. They could be relegated if this is proven.

User avatar
OneBardGooner
Posts: 42540
Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 am
Location: Close To The Edge

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by OneBardGooner »

NickF98 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:59 pm
Bet they get a monetary fine, which is absolutely pointless given their owners wealth.
100% On The Nail.... Their owners could buy whole countries etc if they wanted, there is Nothing they cannot afford monetary-wise. And as someone has already mentioned, they surely have to look at the ChavScum.

I think this is Huge for a number of reasons:

If they have found them guilty they MUST take action

The kind of punishment they impose; if it is a 'fine' :roll: that is just like saying "Oh! You naughty boy now be off with you and don't do it agin laugh, chortle and much mirth and winking of the eye"

And for me the most important: If $hitty are not punished by other means (as in a Points deduction or something more drastic like relegation) Then it simply Proves beyond All Shadow Of Doubt that those who should be imposing those kind of punishments ARE Definitely 100% Corrupt and so by not imposing the maximum of punishments demonstrate yet again they have been bought off with even bigger back-handers.

The Can Worms will either be opened or kicked down the road and forgotten about.

User avatar
Clummo99
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Clummo99 »

Also MORE breaches of the rules covering the period December 2018 up to now, including this season!

If proven it has to be more than a fine as they've continued the financial cheating AFTER the last time they were charged by UEFA.
Last edited by Clummo99 on Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
OneBardGooner
Posts: 42540
Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 am
Location: Close To The Edge

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by OneBardGooner »

BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64536785


The Premier League has charged Manchester City with more than 100 breaches of its financial rules following a four-year investigation.


It has referred the club to an independent commission over alleged rule breaches between 2009 and 2018.

It also accused City of not co-operating since the investigation started in December 2018.

City said they were "surprised" by the charges and are supported by a "body of irrefutable evidence".

The commission can impose punishments ranging from a fine and points deduction to expulsion from the Premier League.

"Manchester City is surprised by the issuing of these alleged breaches of the Premier League Rules, particularly given the extensive engagement and vast amount of detailed materials that the EPL has been provided with," the club said in a statement.

"The club welcomes the review of this matter by an independent commission, to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence that exists in support of its position.

"As such we look forward to this matter being put to rest once and for all."

Last season City won their sixth Premier League title since the 2008 takeover by the Abu Dhabi United Group.




What have City been charged with?


In a statement the Premier League said City breached rules requiring them to provide "accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club's financial position".

This information covered club revenue, which includes sponsorship income and operating costs.

Further alleged breaches relate to rules requiring full details of manager remuneration - from the 2009-10 to 2012-13 seasons, when Roberto Mancini was in charge - and player remuneration between 2010-11 and 2015-16.

The Premier League said City breached rules related to Uefa regulations, including Financial Fair Play (FFP), from 2013-14 to 2017-18, as well as Premier League rules on profitability and sustainability from 2015-16 to 2017-18.

In 2020 European football governing body Uefa ruled that City committed "serious breaches" of FFP regulations between 2012 and 2016.

However, a two-year ban from European competitions was overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) later that year.

Uefa began its investigation into City after German newspaper Der Spiegel published leaked documents in November 2018 alleging the club had inflated the value of a sponsorship deal.

The proceedings of the commission - chaired by Murray Rosen KC - will be confidential and heard in private.

When the Premier League investigation began, City said the allegations were "entirely false" and that allegations in Der Spiegel came from "illegal hacking and out of context publication of City emails".

....................................................................................................


'It will be expensive and will drag on'

BBC Sport's Simon Stone

City were not given advance warning of the Premier League statement. They were called at the same time the statement was published.

They also note the timing of the statement given the white paper on football governance is about to be published. It is felt that bringing this case it likely to be used by the Premier League as evidence of them being able to deal with governance issues itself.

City are confident in their position and that includes the charges that were time-barred in their Uefa case. The club are understood to have provided the relevant evidence around those charges to the Premier League some time ago.

On the basis it has taken the Premier League four years to get to this point, do not expect a resolution to this case any time soon.

Manchester City have always denied financial wrongdoing. They always said the detail published by Der Spiegel when it was passed information by Football Leaks was incomplete.

When Uefa launched its case, City said they had no faith in that investigation and, when it went against them, they went straight to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, where they were cleared of what they regarded as the substantive allegations, even though some were timed out.

They will be armed with the very best lawyers, looking line by line at every element of the Premier League's case.

The charge sheet includes five years of allegations that City have not assisted with their inquiry - which is all of it.

The whole thing will be expensive and it will drag on.


City manager Pep Guardiola has always said he was assured by his employers that they have done nothing wrong. Others - La Liga president Javier Tebas is one of the loudest voices - argue vehemently the other way.

Should City win, legally, they will be clear, even if the sniping will continue.

Should they lose, all manner of punishments can be handed down. The Premier League's scope in that sense is completely open-ended and we are in uncharted territory.

We are now beginning a very long end game. City's reputation - and the reputation of those who own it - is on the line. The outcome, whenever it comes, will be fascinating.



Sound like their Legal Team can drag this out for years! :?

User avatar
Midz
Posts: 4880
Joined: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:36 pm
Location: Rice Rice Baby !

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Midz »

It'd be indecent if Chelsea didn't incur a similar investigation.

nut flush gooner
Posts: 4010
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23 am

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by nut flush gooner »

OneBardGooner wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:27 pm
NickF98 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:59 pm
Bet they get a monetary fine, which is absolutely pointless given their owners wealth.
100% On The Nail.... Their owners could buy whole countries etc if they wanted, there is Nothing they cannot afford monetary-wise. And as someone has already mentioned, they surely have to look at the ChavScum.

I think this is Huge for a number of reasons:

If they have found them guilty they MUST take action

The kind of punishment they impose; if it is a 'fine' :roll: that is just like saying "Oh! You naughty boy now be off with you and don't do it agin laugh, chortle and much mirth and winking of the eye"

And for me the most important: If $hitty are not punished by other means (as in a Points deduction or something more drastic like relegation) Then it simply Proves beyond All Shadow Of Doubt that those who should be imposing those kind of punishments ARE Definitely 100% Corrupt and so by not imposing the maximum of punishments demonstrate yet again they have been bought off with even bigger back-handers.

The Can Worms will either be opened or kicked down the road and forgotten about.
Disagree. This is deeper than FFP breaches, City have been charged with financial misrepresentation. Not accounting for things that should appear on their balance sheet. In lay mans terms, it's fraud.

There is going to an independent commission overseeing the allegations, which if CIty are found guilty they should face relegation. They should really be referred to the crown prosecution service, because this is a criminal investigation as much as anything else.

People get thrown into jail for life in the US for fraud. I am not saying that will happen here, but if the FA genuinely want to come out of this with any credibility they should relegate City.

BobbyPires7
Posts: 2682
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:06 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by BobbyPires7 »


Gunner Rob
Posts: 8882
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Gunner Rob »

Midz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:52 pm
It'd be indecent if Chelsea didn't incur a similar investigation.
They can sort Newcastle out as well while they are at it

User avatar
Clummo99
Posts: 1968
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Clummo99 »

Midz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:52 pm
It'd be indecent if Chelsea didn't incur a similar investigation.
Chelsea situation is completely different. They've found a loophole which isn't breaking current FFP rules hence the Premier League reacting by changing their laws after this season finishes.

Also FFP regulations don't kick in immediately for new club owners.
Last edited by Clummo99 on Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Gunner Rob
Posts: 8882
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by Gunner Rob »

I’m thinking that a big points deduction is likely.

Arsenal’s odds to win the title slashed to 8/13

mcdowell42
Posts: 16904
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:19 pm
Location: ireland

Re: Man City charged again for breaching FFP

Post by mcdowell42 »

Gunner Rob wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:39 pm
I’m thinking that a big points deduction is likely.

Arsenal’s odds to win the title slashed to 8/13
I checked PP yesterday after they lost to the scum it was 8/13 b4 this news was broken

Post Reply