Fat beerbellied arsepieces with stupid voices who will be fired up to fuck after stiffening manure A Sat Nov 4th KO 1730

[Redarmy]

Objective opinions...

Havertz should have seen red
Guimaraes should have seen red, if not for the initial forearm/elbow, it was at least a yellow and his 2nd half yellow was given for a lesser offence

No way the goal should have stood

Not a chance. Sure we've all seen them given, and nearly always incorrectly, because that was not a dangerous tackle. His trailing leg barely clipped their lad's toe ffs. It looked far worse than it was because of the pace it happened at, but the slow motion actually showed how little contact there was, whereas it usually makes these type of tackles look far worse. It was not over the top, not violent or recklessly dangerous, just stupid and mistimed. A yellow was the correct punishment.

Agreed it was the speed of which he went into the tackle that made it look worse...he was going for the ball...yes yellow correct

put that in the balance of what that lot got away with punches to the throat....forearm smash on back of head ...etc...no problem

Arteta was right to say it was a disgrace....goal should have been disallowed for the foul on gabriel ...FFS he was pushing him down into a stoop...ridiculous

Ref bottled it ...corrupt

That said generally not good enough from the Arsenal....Raya weak attempt to palm out cross for their goal...players stopping when they believed ball was out, play to the whistle FFS.


0-0 would have been a fair result

[Redarmy]

Objective opinions...

Havertz should have seen red
Guimaraes should have seen red, if not for the initial forearm/elbow, it was at least a yellow and his 2nd half yellow was given for a lesser offence

No way the goal should have stood

A pile of toss this post. Havertz red never. He slides in and his trailing leg drags across the floor and makes contact. Guimaraes is actually violent conduct. Not accidental. Deliberate strike to the back of the head. As bad a red as you will ever see. Not sure why you are wittering on about it being at least a yellow. Total fucking nonsense.

A pile of toss but you agree with me on 2 out of the 3 outcomes?

How have you worked that out? I’ve disagreed with everything you said. You think Guimaraes red due to two yellows. Bull shit. He should have had a straight red. Havertz was never a red.

100%

[Redarmy]

There are no consequences for VAR errors. That's the problem.

An apology, one or more officials given a weekend off and are back the following week.

This is a multi billion pound business. Joe Public spend thousands of pounds each every season following it. TV companies pay billions to show it, clubs pay staff hundreds of millions to play it.......

Yet when VAR fucks up week after week, there may be an apology or a weekend off for someone... How is that acceptable? Why are things not being changed? If it's not accurate enough then stop using it.

I said when VAR first came in, all they've done is move the final decision from one man in the middle of the pitch, to one man in an office, how is that progress? It still boils down to one man's interpretation of an action. It's a farce.

Your totally right mate

[Perryashburtongroves]

Article on Bbc today with a lot of scrutiny about the signings of Raya and Havertz:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67324261

The usual shit from that cûnt McNulty. No mention of the elbow to the face. All a bit of a laugh that the VAR decision was wrong. No mention of why Arteta and we feel so wronged. The usual anti-Arsenal shit from a bitter cûnt that used to work for the bindipper Echo and once wrote about how he dislikes Arsenal because he had worked on a Liverpool double winners 1989 issue only for us to reduce it all to nothing in the last seconds of that season. I remember the prick used to use his reports and column to praise Wanker every week and slag off the supporters, revelling in our lack of progrgess. He's a complete cûnt. Like all the BBC lot. Fuck him.

[SteveO 35]

There are no consequences for VAR errors. That's the problem.

An apology, one or more officials given a weekend off and are back the following week.

This is a multi billion pound business. Joe Public spend thousands of pounds each every season following it. TV companies pay billions to show it, clubs pay staff hundreds of millions to play it.......

Yet when VAR fucks up week after week, there may be an apology or a weekend off for someone... How is that acceptable? Why are things not being changed? If it's not accurate enough then stop using it.

I said when VAR first came in, all they've done is move the final decision from one man in the middle of the pitch, to one man in an office, how is that progress? It still boils down to one man's interpretation of an action. It's a farce.

Your totally right mate

The level of officiating that has been in place since Messrs Riley and Webb have been at the head of it has been nothing short of scandalous. A national laughing stock and I'd agree with Captain Black on one thing - "a disgrace". No refs at the 2018 World Cup and now the best we can scrape together are Antony Taylor (demoted to the Championship this weekend), and the gormless, vacuous personality of Michael Oliver. 20 years ago, these c.unts would be lucky to get a run out in League 2

As for the whole Stockley Park thing - who are these pricks who are deciding the outcome of matches? Apparently there were 4 things being looked at in one goal incident yesterday (handball too), and after 4 minutes of some no mark c.unts looking at it, did they not once think to ask the ref to look at the monitor, rather than being surrounded in the centre circle listening with his finger in one ear?

The richest league in the world in the richest sport. I know DB10 will say how gay cricket and rugby are and can't compare them, but why can't we hear the conversation the ref is having with the VAR officials. We hear it in cricket, we hear it in rugby. What stops that being a good thing in the world's richest sport. If these c.unts are determined outcomes worth tens of millions of pounds, in stadiums of 50000 people paying a small fortune, why shouldn't we heat every single word.

Such a backward game, wide open to corruption but who is remotely surprised at FIFA, UEFA or the FA at their backward looking, morally bankrupt and corrupt ways. Football deserves itself sometimes

[OneBardGooner]

PGMOL is an Anagram for CORRUPTION. The whole organisation needs investigating from top to bottom; trouble is there are so many taking back-handers no one will speak out either through fear of losing their 'nice little earner' or through fear for their safety. This is No Small Operation, it is Global and Very, VERY Powerful. Money Begets Power and Power Always Gets What It Wants. Saudi Money and the Asian Based Betting Syndicates run Football, just look at Fifa & Uefa... And try and tell me they aren't Corrupt.
* The BBC used to be the benchmark for un-biased, Honest Reporting & Journalism. But we all know that it was also the BCC that kept the evil goings on of Saville quiet; some say it was because there were BBC Directors and High Ranking Politicians involved in a cabal of Paedophiles. The BBC is just another online rag as devious and corrupt as any other you'll find on-line. The only difference being is that they are Protected by The Royal Family and the Government*

[BobbyPires7]

The other suggestion I have in this woke age is to hire a private investigator and go after the protagonists. Dig up controversial shit on anyone who is complicit. An old tweet from Carragher or someone who heard him being racist in the changing room in 1999. Anything that is barely provable but circumstantial will stick and Sky will have to part ways with him in order to protect their reputation for being “equal”.

Gloves are off.

[Perryashburtongroves]

The other suggestion I have in this woke age is to hire a private investigator and go after the protagonists. Dig up controversial shit on anyone who is complicit. An old tweet from Carragher or someone who heard him being racist in the changing room in 1999. Anything that is barely provable but circumstantial will stick and Sky will have to part ways with him in order to protect their reputation for being “equal”.

Gloves are off.

When you've spat at children, thrown coins at supporters and tried to rape a stripper at a Christmas party and still continue to be employed at Sky, I'm not sure that even murdering a black disabled VC winning war hero who has raised millions for the NHS or gay children or Polar bears on live TV, would result in anything other than a shrug of the shoulders by the broadcaster and most of the press.

[cameron326]

The Gabriel two handed shove was blatant. And the forearm smash on Jorginho was the most obvious “violent conduct” red card you’ll likely see this season.

Havertz for me was just a bog standard yellow - or at least would have been considered as such even ten years ago. Fair enough, if you slow it down and zoom in (which is now done for everything) it looks bad and I guess you couldn’t complain if given as a red. But you’ll see a few dozen more of those this season - and they’ll be split 50/50 between yellows and reds. Havertz’s looked slightly worse than some because A) he’s a lanky bastard, B) the wet pitch had him slide another three metres, and C) the frenzied mob of Newcastle players surrounding him.

So Havertz 50% red, dirty Newcastle player 110% red. And 100% that goal should be disallowed by VAR for an absolutely blatant shove which the referee obviously must have missed.

Truth is when they let the trillion $ GDP oil state buy Man City and then another buy Newcastle, that was the end of the league’s assumed integrity. Every dodgy decision that favours the oil clubs - directly or indirectly - will now have a huge question mark hanging over it, and rightly so. The stench of corruption is here to stay.

[OneBardGooner]

Arteta & Edu need to ask the Kroenke's to hire a Private Investigation Co/Team; all ex-CIA, FBI agents & Black Ops (you know those ruthless fuckers who still enjoy torturing and murder as an appetiser before brekkies ) and for those teams to conduct a full investigation at all levels. Start with the money/bank accounts etc, then when all the Proof from their Geneva and Pacific Islands accounts is in hand, then start do multi-surveillance operations on Webb and the whole Caboodle - what countries they travel to (especially Saudi & Asia), where they eat, meet and shag - with photographic and audio evidence... Keep it Totally Hush till they have Everything ready to go Then WHAM call a press conference ! All the media / papers etc will be salivating to get to be the one's who break it on a Sunday Morning TV / Paper Headline.

In the mean-time they need to keep up a ceaseless barrage of complaints and Calls for there to be Separate match Officiating & VAR Departments..THEN Barrack and Harass the PGMOL, the FA and anyone else who remotely has Anything to do with these Corrupt Mother-Fuckers, pay journo's etc to doorstep them every friggin-day and night till the cun.ts either resign or commit Hari-kari, at least till we have the Evidence in hand.

[cameron326]

It’s a tough balancing act for owners like the Kroenke’s as I think when they invested in Arsenal, they also invested in the reputation and integrity of the PL: If the reputation of the PL sinks, viewers will drop, and then their money will drop. A “level playing field” wouldn’t necessarily compensate for that, except in the purely sporting sense. Hope I’m wrong, but there is that angle.

Diggin deeper into that territory, the Kroenke’s are an influential family, but they’re nothing compared to the power and reach of the oil states. Some people might not want to be voicing serious accusations of bribery/corruption against factions of that nature who are spending billions trying to present the very opposite of that image to the world.

[SteveO 35]

Far be it for me to stand up for the Plastic Mancs but they had a goal disallowed at home to Brighton this season when Rashford cut the ball back and it was deemed to cross the line. Out wide on the same side of the field to last night's goal. The Mancs would have gone 1-0 up and they lost the game

So, in one stadium we do have the camera angle. In another stadium we don't have the camera angle

I laughed last season at the "forgot to draw the lines on" debacle against Brentford. I've called deliberate sabotage so many times, much to DB10's and others amusement but are people finally seeing it now?

Have we got the camera angles - sometimes yes, sometimes no. Have we got the right lines drawn on - sometimes yes, sometimes no. Have we got the right view to determine the point of contact with the ball for an offside decision- sometimes yes, sometimes no.

This is the world's richest league. Tennis has had technology for over 20 years that can determine to within a couple of millimetres if a ball a fraction of the size travelling at 140mph is in or out. But in a sport worth billions more, with a ball ten times the size trickling over a line twice as wide, we are supposed to believe we don't have the cameras or the tech?

It's utter nonsense but the battle is being won by the FA. Wrighty the latest high profile pundit to call for its removal

If you don't like VAR that's fine - I get it and you're entitled to that view. But don't try and kid me in 2023 with advanced AI and robotic technology that we are making "honest mistakes" or don't have the tech. It's utter bollocks. It's very very deliberate and it has been since day one

[BFG4]

Everyone can see that VAR is corrupt but the bigger problem is the cùnts on the likes of Sky who justify the corruption they are seeing. Imagine being paid as an analyst and actually with a straight face trying to claim the elbow on Giorginho wasn't a red card. Then you have Neville beyond eager for Newcastles goal to be given( and even moaning that it was taking so long to be reviewed). If you're corrupt and never get called on it, then why would there be any reason to change

One thing that VAR did yesterday is give a get out of jail card for Arteta for more piss poor management. Spunking away 65 million on a statue was bad enough but persisting with Nketiah is managerial incompetence/arrogance that would make Wenger proud.

[IW8Goalmachine]

The corruption is blatant. It won't change.

There needs to be a mass protest about it but that will never happen. So you either have to get used to it or just turn off from football

[Perryashburtongroves]

Far be it for me to stand up for the Plastic Mancs but they had a goal disallowed at home to Brighton this season when Rashford cut the ball back and it was deemed to cross the line. Out wide on the same side of the field to last night's goal. The Mancs would have gone 1-0 up and they lost the game

So, in one stadium we do have the camera angle. In another stadium we don't have the camera angle

I laughed last season at the "forgot to draw the lines on" debacle against Brentford. I've called deliberate sabotage so many times, much to DB10's and others amusement but are people finally seeing it now?

Have we got the camera angles - sometimes yes, sometimes no. Have we got the right lines drawn on - sometimes yes, sometimes no. Have we got the right view to determine the point of contact with the ball for an offside decision- sometimes yes, sometimes no.

This is the world's richest league. Tennis has had technology for over 20 years that can determine to within a couple of millimetres if a ball a fraction of the size travelling at 140mph is in or out. But in a sport worth billions more, with a ball ten times the size trickling over a line twice as wide, we are supposed to believe we don't have the cameras or the tech?

It's utter nonsense but the battle is being won by the FA. Wrighty the latest high profile pundit to call for its removal

If you don't like VAR that's fine - I get it and you're entitled to that view. But don't try and kid me in 2023 with advanced AI and robotic technology that we are making "honest mistakes" or don't have the tech. It's utter bollocks. It's very very deliberate and it has been since day one

I've put the pictures up a few pages back of that exact incident and as you say, it's fucking unbelievable, bordering on ridiculous, to suggest that not all Premier League grounds have the same cameras on the same angles and same lines. Absolutely fucking nonsense. They made a big deal about how they didn't need automated offsides like other leagues because they installed more cameras over the summer. Now, apparently, those exact cameras don't exist and nobody even asks where they are and why they can't produce pictures. They exist, they didn't use them or did and lied about it. This is the richest league on the planet. The most watched league in history. It's shameful that they haven't got the right technology to make decisions and are allowed to get away with it, or that they are so incompetent that they don't know how to use it or even think about it or finally, it's corrupt. Like we've said so many times, with all these weeks after weeks of horrendous issues, either sort it out and make it as close to perfect as possible, or just admit you're deliberately sabotaging things for financial reasons.