nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:09 am
augie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:01 pm
As soon as emery was fcuked out after 18 months in charge, the whole "give a new manager two seasons to judge him" plan went up in smoke, so I dont want to hear that 2 year thing about arteta. Emery took over a club that was the very definition of a shitfest, cos wenger left the club in as bad a shape as I can remember in my lifetime - if you doubt that analysis, just scroll back through the opinions of posters on here who for 2 years who were horrified at the mess the next manager would face.
Before wenger was even sacked I offered the opinion that the next manager didnt need to be the next big manager for the club, and that the biggest part of his job would be to get rid of the shit players before recruiting new one's - from that aspect of his job, emery gets an A+ for me but other aspects let him down and led to his dismissal.
Anyway I am digressing here - what I am basically saying is that people who felt 18 months was long enough for emery to turn things around, should apply the same demands on arteta, and not give him any special treatment
Two years isn't special treatment. If we are going to fire managers without giving them a chance to have their teams playing we will end up like the Spuds of the last 3 decades.
Arteta has had some wobbly games no doubt. But the question is with some of the shit players he has inherited, has he improved their performances and in-game management. The answer to that with the exception of Olympiakos and Brighton away is an emphatic yes.
The players are totally onside, you could see that in the second half yesterday. If Auba is about to leave for Spain, you would never have thought so with his work rate. Eddie worked his socks off too and Saka, boy have we got a star in the making there. This season was a write off before Christmas, so let's move onto next season and see how things pan out.
Let me address those points one by one -
1. Emery got 18 months - if it is ok to judge him and fire him after 18 months, then those same expectations should be placed on arteta and any future manager for that matter. Did emery have enough of a chance to prove himself ? I can understand why people felt that we had started to slide backwards and that he had to go, although personally I would have granted him the rest of this season before making that call.
2. I'll be honest and say that if sacking a manager, any manager, after 18 months makes us look like the spuds (or any other team) I really dont care. My interest is that the club do everything possible to make the right signings and appointments, but to also be brave enough to accept when the signing or appointment hasnt worked out, and then pull the trigger without allowing it to drag on for years. My grievance with the sacking of emery isnt with the club cos I can understand why they did it - my grievance is with the fans who preached about the need for patience when emery was appointed, but then threw all that out the window at the first sign of trouble
Did old whiskey nose or horse teeth instantly make their clubs challengers after their appointments ? No they didnt, but yet our fans seem to expect it.
3. Emery and arteta were not as fortunate as wenger was cos he left them with a squad full of sub-standard shit players, overpaid mercenaries, demotivated players, and a club that had lost sight of how to behave like a big club - these managers (and any future appointments) should be given time based on what quality they took over, but the fans decided that 18 months is enough time so that must apply to peps cone man as much as it did for emery. It should also be noted that the squad emery left behind is a much better squad than the one he took over - Leno is the best keeper we have had for years, Tierney could be the best left full we have had for a long time, Torreira is/can be a real quality defensive midfielder for us, guendouzi I still believe will be a great midfielder (hopefully for us not some other club) and martinelli and saka are the best young prospects (by a distance) that we have had for years. It doesnt matter to me if you want to give the credit for those signings to emery or mislintat, because the point I am making is that arteta has had players of that quality to build around from Day One, and emery did not
4. It is truly amazing how current form can blinker fans from seeing the bigger picture - our only shit performances were against olympiakos and brighton ?? Are you kidding me ? Bournemouth away, sheffield utd at home, palace away, burnley away, leeds at home are all examples of absolute dogshit performances against average or poor sides, so dunno how you can claim all bar 2 games seen much improved performances
We are where we are by our own making, and even though 100% of our fanbase wants more, I still believe that arteta is getting more leeway simply because he used to play for the club, and he came to us after a spell working (putting out the cones
) for one of the top coaches in the world right now.