Man Cheaty 115 charges / Everton / Other Corruption Super Thread (merged)

[EssexGooner1981]

Have to be honest, anyone that thinks cheateh will be properly punished is deluding themselves.

The PL first and foremost will protect their product, the premier league.

They want to be seen to be doing the right thing.

So what will really happen is a series of behind closed doors negotiations between the PL and cheateh's lawyers.

They will come to a compromise where they find cheateh guilty of all the lesser administrative infringements which will mean a huge (but toothless) fine and maybe a small points reduction for the following season, but ultimately not guilty of anything serious enough to warrant the revoking of trophies or relegation as that would shit all over the PL as a product.

This is how big business operates.

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

I think there would be absolute uproar from the other 19 clubs, media and fans if that happened. Forest and Everton would completely detonate.

[SteveO 35]

Have to be honest, anyone that thinks cheateh will be properly punished is deluding themselves.

The PL first and foremost will protect their product, the premier league.

They want to be seen to be doing the right thing.

So what will really happen is a series of behind closed doors negotiations between the PL and cheateh's lawyers.

They will come to a compromise where they find cheateh guilty of all the lesser administrative infringements which will mean a huge (but toothless) fine and maybe a small points reduction for the following season, but ultimately not guilty of anything serious enough to warrant the revoking of trophies or relegation as that would shit all over the PL as a product.

This is how big business operates.

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

I think there would be absolute uproar from the other 19 clubs, media and fans if that happened. Forest and Everton would completely detonate.

Not sure about that - certainly if they'd been relegated via a points deduction......but those two clubs are in the shit financially so they've escaped with what they want - no massive fine, a few points that in the end made no difference. City on the other hand have endless riches but their emerging global brand of plastic fans would be lost forever with a relegation or two and transfer embargo. Everyone's happy with their lot and seen to win and lose in their desired proportion. As DB10 says, it's how big corporate business works

[EssexGooner1981]

Have to be honest, anyone that thinks cheateh will be properly punished is deluding themselves.

The PL first and foremost will protect their product, the premier league.

They want to be seen to be doing the right thing.

So what will really happen is a series of behind closed doors negotiations between the PL and cheateh's lawyers.

They will come to a compromise where they find cheateh guilty of all the lesser administrative infringements which will mean a huge (but toothless) fine and maybe a small points reduction for the following season, but ultimately not guilty of anything serious enough to warrant the revoking of trophies or relegation as that would shit all over the PL as a product.

This is how big business operates.

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

I think there would be absolute uproar from the other 19 clubs, media and fans if that happened. Forest and Everton would completely detonate.

Not sure about that - certainly if they'd been relegated via a points deduction......but those two clubs are in the shit financially so they've escaped with what they want - no massive fine, a few points that in the end made no difference. City on the other hand have endless riches but their emerging global brand of plastic fans would be lost forever with a relegation or two and transfer embargo. Everyone's happy with their lot and seen to win and lose in their desired proportion. As DB10 says, it's how big corporate business works

Well I hope you're wrong for everyone's sake! And I'm sure you hope you'll be wrong too. Well I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[SteveO 35]

Have to be honest, anyone that thinks cheateh will be properly punished is deluding themselves.

The PL first and foremost will protect their product, the premier league.

They want to be seen to be doing the right thing.

So what will really happen is a series of behind closed doors negotiations between the PL and cheateh's lawyers.

They will come to a compromise where they find cheateh guilty of all the lesser administrative infringements which will mean a huge (but toothless) fine and maybe a small points reduction for the following season, but ultimately not guilty of anything serious enough to warrant the revoking of trophies or relegation as that would shit all over the PL as a product.

This is how big business operates.

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

I think there would be absolute uproar from the other 19 clubs, media and fans if that happened. Forest and Everton would completely detonate.

Not sure about that - certainly if they'd been relegated via a points deduction......but those two clubs are in the shit financially so they've escaped with what they want - no massive fine, a few points that in the end made no difference. City on the other hand have endless riches but their emerging global brand of plastic fans would be lost forever with a relegation or two and transfer embargo. Everyone's happy with their lot and seen to win and lose in their desired proportion. As DB10 says, it's how big corporate business works

Well I hope you're wrong for everyone's sake! And I'm sure you hope you'll be wrong too. Well I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I couldn't wish to be more wrong mate, let me assure you. Its a BBQ at mine and "I luv Bobby Pires 7" t shirts all round if these fuckers get relegated and embargoed! In Bobby We Trust

[OneBardGooner]

Have to be honest, anyone that thinks cheateh will be properly punished is deluding themselves.

The PL first and foremost will protect their product, the premier league.

They want to be seen to be doing the right thing.

So what will really happen is a series of behind closed doors negotiations between the PL and cheateh's lawyers.

They will come to a compromise where they find cheateh guilty of all the lesser administrative infringements which will mean a huge (but toothless) fine and maybe a small points reduction for the following season, but ultimately not guilty of anything serious enough to warrant the revoking of trophies or relegation as that would shit all over the PL as a product.

This is how big business operates.

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

100%

[Arsenal Till I Die]

That's exactly how I see it. The PL will be delighted with a fine that gives them £30m-£50m additional funds. City will be delighted that they've been seen to be punished but not in a way that will cause them a lack of sleep.

I think there would be absolute uproar from the other 19 clubs, media and fans if that happened. Forest and Everton would completely detonate.

Not sure about that - certainly if they'd been relegated via a points deduction......but those two clubs are in the shit financially so they've escaped with what they want - no massive fine, a few points that in the end made no difference. City on the other hand have endless riches but their emerging global brand of plastic fans would be lost forever with a relegation or two and transfer embargo. Everyone's happy with their lot and seen to win and lose in their desired proportion. As DB10 says, it's how big corporate business works

Well I hope you're wrong for everyone's sake! And I'm sure you hope you'll be wrong too. Well I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I couldn't wish to be more wrong mate, let me assure you. Its a BBQ at mine and "I luv Bobby Pires 7" t shirts all round if these fuckers get relegated and embargoed! In Bobby We Trust

We could have a village fete.

[BobbyPires7]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

[augie]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

No chance - they would have to hit them with a 65 point deduction to relegate them this season, and no fcuking way that happens

[SteveO 35]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

In these supposedly clear PL rules, surely there's some sort of indicative punishment? For example, the points deduction for going into administration is well known - in fact Everton were thinking of playing that card as soon as they knew they would still be mathematically safe. The issue is less so whether they are guilty are not - lets face it, they are! Its the fact there is no precedent and seemingly little guidance that means we're all guessing whether its points and relegation, or a financial fine - the very crux of the problem

[BobbyPires7]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

In these supposedly clear PL rules, surely there's some sort of indicative punishment? For example, the points deduction for going into administration is well known - in fact Everton were thinking of playing that card as soon as they knew they would still be mathematically safe. The issue is less so whether they are guilty are not - lets face it, they are! Its the fact there is no precedent and seemingly little guidance that means we're all guessing whether its points and relegation, or a financial fine - the very crux of the problem

Forest and Everton are small fry vs what City have been charged with. The points deduction for those two is a good thing as it sets the bar for City. The only points reductions for Everton were due to cooperation. It was a mitigating circumstance. City have fought it all the way so nothing will be mitigated (reduced). They are going to be clobbered.

[Natural Born Gooner]

Adam Keys@adamkeys_

We haven’t heard a peep about City’s 115 charges all season.

Every outlet has lavished them with praise, but in the last 24 hours The Athletic has reported that Richard Masters is going to #Arsenal to avoid presenting them the Premier League trophy, Carragher has an article in the Telegraph, Richard Keys in the Daily Mail, Paul Merson in the Evening Standard and The Athletic have another one, all questioning their achievements.

Something has changed

From Twatter. It's taken long enough but hopefully it's the start of a lot more media scrutiny about their cheating

[SteveO 35]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

In these supposedly clear PL rules, surely there's some sort of indicative punishment? For example, the points deduction for going into administration is well known - in fact Everton were thinking of playing that card as soon as they knew they would still be mathematically safe. The issue is less so whether they are guilty are not - lets face it, they are! Its the fact there is no precedent and seemingly little guidance that means we're all guessing whether its points and relegation, or a financial fine - the very crux of the problem

Forest and Everton are small fry vs what City have been charged with. The points deduction for those two is a good thing as it sets the bar for City. The only points reductions for Everton were due to cooperation. It was a mitigating circumstance. City have fought it all the way so nothing will be mitigated (reduced). They are going to be clobbered.

You've got my hopes up now you bugger

[Retro Gunner]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

In these supposedly clear PL rules, surely there's some sort of indicative punishment? For example, the points deduction for going into administration is well known - in fact Everton were thinking of playing that card as soon as they knew they would still be mathematically safe. The issue is less so whether they are guilty are not - lets face it, they are! Its the fact there is no precedent and seemingly little guidance that means we're all guessing whether its points and relegation, or a financial fine - the very crux of the problem

Forest and Everton are small fry vs what City have been charged with. The points deduction for those two is a good thing as it sets the bar for City. The only points reductions for Everton were due to cooperation. It was a mitigating circumstance. City have fought it all the way so nothing will be mitigated (reduced). They are going to be clobbered.

As everyone else has said Bob, it’s not a question of whether they’re guilty of breaking the rules and then refusing to cooperate with an investigation, it’s whether the PL will issue the type of punishment that is warranted. I’m as dubious about that as others here are.

Whether we like it or not, City have to be regarded as the biggest club in the English game (before anyone screams, I don’t mean in terms of history and heritage, but for current profile) and the English authorities will have to display a sense of honour and honesty that we’re not in the habit of seeing. The PL is a multi billion dollar global business and as SteveO and DB said, big business doesn’t smear its reputation.

I’ll tell you what troubles me…it’s the silence from the other PL teams and especially the big boys who would have won titles and cups without City’s financial doping. Both we a Liverpool would have had 2 extra titles for a start (maybe more for ‘Pool?), yet no one is demanding action, or at least not as far as we know. I’d have expected Everton and Forest to have had a real scream up about it, but other than a little cryptic grumbling, nothing was said. It’s all well and good people saying that they’re both safe despite the points deductions, but those deductions put them in trouble at the time and it’s taken Forest to the wire.

Every one of us hopes you are right, but where does your confidence that they’ll get properly hammered come from?’ I’m not being funny, that’s a genuine question.

[BobbyPires7]

People seriously think it will be a fine?

A fine would make them fail FFP even more. Which would then require a points deduction.

Nah. This will be points deductions to the extent it relegates them.

In these supposedly clear PL rules, surely there's some sort of indicative punishment? For example, the points deduction for going into administration is well known - in fact Everton were thinking of playing that card as soon as they knew they would still be mathematically safe. The issue is less so whether they are guilty are not - lets face it, they are! Its the fact there is no precedent and seemingly little guidance that means we're all guessing whether its points and relegation, or a financial fine - the very crux of the problem

Forest and Everton are small fry vs what City have been charged with. The points deduction for those two is a good thing as it sets the bar for City. The only points reductions for Everton were due to cooperation. It was a mitigating circumstance. City have fought it all the way so nothing will be mitigated (reduced). They are going to be clobbered.

As everyone else has said Bob, it’s not a question of whether they’re guilty of breaking the rules and then refusing to cooperate with an investigation, it’s whether the PL will issue the type of punishment that is warranted. I’m as dubious about that as others here are.

Whether we like it or not, City have to be regarded as the biggest club in the English game (before anyone screams, I don’t mean in terms of history and heritage, but for current profile) and the English authorities will have to display a sense of honour and honesty that we’re not in the habit of seeing. The PL is a multi billion dollar global business and as SteveO and DB said, big business doesn’t smear its reputation.

I’ll tell you what troubles me…it’s the silence from the other PL teams and especially the big boys who would have won titles and cups without City’s financial doping. Both we a Liverpool would have had 2 extra titles for a start (maybe more for ‘Pool?), yet no one is demanding action, or at least not as far as we know. I’d have expected Everton and Forest to have had a real scream up about it, but other than a little cryptic grumbling, nothing was said. It’s all well and good people saying that they’re both safe despite the points deductions, but those deductions put them in trouble at the time and it’s taken Forest to the wire.

Every one of us hopes you are right, but where does your confidence that they’ll get properly hammered come from?’ I’m not being funny, that’s a genuine question.

Because I know people who work with the Premier League. I won’t say any more.

[mcdowell42]

BobbyPires7 hope you're right