Ex-Players 'Hall of Shame'

[Midz]

Keown.

I can't stand to listen to his contradictory propaganda.

"The players have let the manager down".

He's been trotting this out for fucking years now.

But he's right though isn't he.

[Pierre32]

Known should be our next manager. He LOVES Arsenal and would kick so much Arse, the under performers would shit themselves!

[northbank123]

Personally I've not seen a lot from Vieira and I think he has voted with his feet to an extent. Not a huge leap to say their relationship is pretty strained.

I've posted plenty about Wrighty. Will always be my favourite player but a fundamentally thick bloke who cannot articulate his thoughts or remember what he said 5 minutes ago.

Merson undoubtedly deserves adding to that list. The classic example of somebody who will slag off "Arsenal" or "the club" as making the same mistakes every season and clearly being unable to win trophies - yet despite the odd comment suggesting otherwise will defend Wenger 98% of the time.

Cannot stand watching Henry on the TV at all. Don't care how phenomenal a talent he was, he fits in with the other gormless idiots on Sky spouting populist nonsense. Watching Souness absolutely crucify him live after one game for talking up Guardiola's preparation and tactical discipline off-air and then dodging/fudging the exact same question on Wenger on air is the only decent piece of punditry I've seen in the last year or two.

[officepest]

Keown.

I can't stand to listen to his contradictory propaganda.

"The players have let the manager down".

He's been trotting this out for fucking years now.

But he's right though isn't he.

Not sure if you’re being serious.

What can seriously be expected of shit like; Almunia, Legohead, Peanut head, Billy Big Bollocks, etc? They were shit, and yet were remunerated way above their ability levels time and time again.

Wenger signs a seemingly never ending stream of piss, while sundry pundits declare that he’s blameless and throw the players under the bus; players that (for the most part) were never good enough in the first place.

To blame the ever-changing playing squad for failure after failure while we still have Wenger in charge ignores a rather enormous elephant in the room.

[officepest]

Known should be our next manager. He LOVES Arsenal and would kick so much Arse, the under performers would shit themselves!

Based on what experience?

Plus, you know he’d be on the phone to Wenger every five minutes asking if it would be OK to do anything.

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

I was there the day we won the title in 1998 and was so pleased for Wright to finally get his league winners' medal, as his career (and being our record goalscorer) more than deserved it. It was a fitting send-off.

But because I'm so angry at the club these days - and Wright in particular, lately - I start to see things from a more bitter perspective. For instance, I recently saw the 1998 title celebrations, and was almost embarrassed for Wright by the way he was over-celebrating. Let's be honest, we were sixth in the league before he got injured in December 1997, and weren't really going anywhere with him up front. He wasn't playing badly, and was still scoring goals, but it wasn't the right formula having him in the team. He even had a massive go at the fans from the safety of the dressing room after the Blackburn game, which was good of him - but at least he cared.

Anyway, he gets injured, Anelka, Bergkamp and even Chris Wreh make MASSIVE, title-winning contributions that won us the league, and then Wright pops back on for the last 10 minutes of the Everton game, made it all about him (nothing new there) and basked in the glory of everyone else's hard work and success.

I'm glad he was so passionate, and I was legitimately happy for him on the day, but it's weird how your perceptions can change once you get pissed off with someone. Again, his career as a whole definitely deserved the medal, but would we really have won the league if he'd stayed in the team? I really doubt it. That was his last season for a reason.

Excellent post mate. It's great to see that not all Gooners believe the hype about Ian Wright. Yes he was a great player individually but we were a much better team without him. Totally agree with your point about the 1998 season.

And don't forget how brainless he was in 1994, getting himself suspended from the ECWC final for a stupid and needless foul in the semi against PSG. I disliked him from that moment on because it was always all about him - he was never a team player like Alan Smith.

[Rosie_titters]

You can add David Seaman to your list.

quoting in the mirror. Saying some old bile. That we shouldn't sack Wenger or we might turn out to be the next Man U.

[Ikechukwu1]

Wow AKB HQ is getting increasingly desperate eh? Gazidis and Wenker furiously churning out the PR machine and wheeling out the big guns now! The latest Superstar endorsement of Wenker has arrived:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/arsenal/ ... ene-wenger



Maybe they could get Eboue, Giles Sunu, Aliadiere and Remi Garde next

[casgooner]

Wow AKB HQ is getting increasingly desperate eh? Gazidis and Wenker furiously churning out the PR machine and wheeling out the big guns now! The latest Superstar endorsement of Wenker has arrived:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/arsenal/ ... ene-wenger



Maybe they could get Eboue, Giles Sunu, Aliadiere and Remi Garde next

It makes me laugh when I hear people say 'Be careful what you wish for, you might do a Man Utd.' Apart form not getting in the CL one year and losing some home matches - which we do regularly anyway , we're not that much different now. When Fergie left they had just won the title, and had won things for the previous ten year + before he left. In the last 12 year we have won one league title and 2 FA cups.

[VoiceOfReason]

Yeah, in Ferguson's last 12 years at the club, he won the PL seven times!

How on earth can people can compare AW leaving to Ferguson?

Be careful what you wish for after zero titles in 12 years.

[Sean]

I posted this the other week:

I recommend you listen to the first half an hour of the March 4th episode of 5 live's Football Daily, it was nice to near people finally questioning TOF and even had a couple of supporters on the phone saying that it was time to go. It was sickening to hear Keown relentlessly defending TOF even though he knows the man is blinkered as fuck, doesn't respect the art of defence, does almost nothing that any other manager would do and makes the same mistakes season after season. He still rates him as his best ever manager

Unfortunately, Keown is a true believer in TOF Even in spite of TOF not bringing him back as a coach after the CL final in 2006.

Keown was embarrassing here with Morcunt:

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Keown is blinded by his love for TOF

The old players love TOF because they won things. The current crop love TOF because he overpays them.

[StuartL]

Wow AKB HQ is getting increasingly desperate eh? Gazidis and Wenker furiously churning out the PR machine and wheeling out the big guns now! The latest Superstar endorsement of Wenker has arrived:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/arsenal/ ... ene-wenger



Maybe they could get Eboue, Giles Sunu, Aliadiere and Remi Garde next

It makes me laugh when I hear people say 'Be careful what you wish for, you might do a Man Utd.' Apart form not getting in the CL one year and losing some home matches - which we do regularly anyway , we're not that much different now. When Fergie left they had just won the title, and had won things for the previous ten year + before he left. In the last 12 year we have won one league title and 2 FA cups.

I wonder why Boa Morte (our scout in Portugal, employed by Wenker), would be in favour of keeping Wenker as manager

Its very lazy to say look at Man Utd, why not look at Pochettino at Tottenham or Ranieri at Leicester as what can be achieved by changing your manager ?

As for saying about the style the team plays, that is precisely the problem, its one dimensional, easy to nullify and we don't have the right players to play it - a change of manager will hopefully change the approach or formation to one that is more dynamic and will get better performances from those who are coasting.

[Peeman]

I was there the day we won the title in 1998 and was so pleased for Wright to finally get his league winners' medal, as his career (and being our record goalscorer) more than deserved it. It was a fitting send-off.

But because I'm so angry at the club these days - and Wright in particular, lately - I start to see things from a more bitter perspective. For instance, I recently saw the 1998 title celebrations, and was almost embarrassed for Wright by the way he was over-celebrating. Let's be honest, we were sixth in the league before he got injured in December 1997, and weren't really going anywhere with him up front. He wasn't playing badly, and was still scoring goals, but it wasn't the right formula having him in the team. He even had a massive go at the fans from the safety of the dressing room after the Blackburn game, which was good of him - but at least he cared.

Anyway, he gets injured, Anelka, Bergkamp and even Chris Wreh make MASSIVE, title-winning contributions that won us the league, and then Wright pops back on for the last 10 minutes of the Everton game, made it all about him (nothing new there) and basked in the glory of everyone else's hard work and success.

I'm glad he was so passionate, and I was legitimately happy for him on the day, but it's weird how your perceptions can change once you get pissed off with someone. Again, his career as a whole definitely deserved the medal, but would we really have won the league if he'd stayed in the team? I really doubt it. That was his last season for a reason.

Excellent post mate. It's great to see that not all Gooners believe the hype about Ian Wright. Yes he was a great player individually but we were a much better team without him. Totally agree with your point about the 1998 season.

And don't forget how brainless he was in 1994, getting himself suspended from the ECWC final for a stupid and needless foul in the semi against PSG. I disliked him from that moment on because it was always all about him - he was never a team player like Alan Smith.

THE HYPE about Ian Wright ?

People may disagree with his views and his flip flopping and his (what seems to me undeserved) loyalty to a former manager but how can anyone question what he did for us. I'm not going to start listing what he did for us coz if u really think he was over hyped u won't be swayed. It's all about opinions and obviously ur entitled to urs but are u just talking about the 97/98 season or his whole career for us.

For me I think TMOTD showed no loyalty whatsoever to him, Merse, Parlour, PV4, Super Bob, The V-Man, Dennis (rolling contract every year my arse) and Vieira (I said him 3 times coz since he shoved him out the door we turned from a team that dominated and bossed games and had been literally invincible to a bunch of pussies that when the going got tough they went missing and were easily bullied). And yet here we have the likes of Rosicky, Arteta, Merteslacker, Flamoney and plenty of others that seem to be getting loyalty bordering on the ridiculous, not to mention the policy of not giving the over 30's more than a 1 year contract being broken for photo-fit head Silvestrebauer.

I can understand the ex-players not wanting to dog their former manager in public out of respect, friendship and from the fact they are probably still in contact at events etc. I don't agree with trying to say the paying fans should not be able to express an opinion and that we are wrong for wanting change. And that when things r going wrong its the players fault but that when Iwobi for example done well against Everton Wenker deserved the credit for playing him.

There is not one of the ex-players that have came out and mentioned his tactical acumen - its mostly he sent us out there to express ourselves and he extended our playing careers through diet etc (ya no shit lads don't be boozing and eating burgers - now give me £8million).

[nut flush gooner]

When I see that *word censored* Piers Morgan debating with Martin Keown, regardless of Keown's stance I cannot slag off and ex player.

All of the names on the OP list have in some capacity the potential to work at Arsenal in the future, perhaps even as manager. Keown is the obvious name, an articulate man who would make a great manager imo.

I think we need to take some perspective here, there is a lot of politics in football these days especially at Arsenal. I for one would never dismiss the contribution these players have made to our recent history, even if what they say winds me up.

When you go to work, do you publicly slag your boss off in front of their face. Do you even slag them off in public, after you leave? Somehow I doubt it.

[nut flush gooner]

I was there the day we won the title in 1998 and was so pleased for Wright to finally get his league winners' medal, as his career (and being our record goalscorer) more than deserved it. It was a fitting send-off.

But because I'm so angry at the club these days - and Wright in particular, lately - I start to see things from a more bitter perspective. For instance, I recently saw the 1998 title celebrations, and was almost embarrassed for Wright by the way he was over-celebrating. Let's be honest, we were sixth in the league before he got injured in December 1997, and weren't really going anywhere with him up front. He wasn't playing badly, and was still scoring goals, but it wasn't the right formula having him in the team. He even had a massive go at the fans from the safety of the dressing room after the Blackburn game, which was good of him - but at least he cared.

Anyway, he gets injured, Anelka, Bergkamp and even Chris Wreh make MASSIVE, title-winning contributions that won us the league, and then Wright pops back on for the last 10 minutes of the Everton game, made it all about him (nothing new there) and basked in the glory of everyone else's hard work and success.

I'm glad he was so passionate, and I was legitimately happy for him on the day, but it's weird how your perceptions can change once you get pissed off with someone. Again, his career as a whole definitely deserved the medal, but would we really have won the league if he'd stayed in the team? I really doubt it. That was his last season for a reason.

Excellent post mate. It's great to see that not all Gooners believe the hype about Ian Wright. Yes he was a great player individually but we were a much better team without him. Totally agree with your point about the 1998 season.

And don't forget how brainless he was in 1994, getting himself suspended from the ECWC final for a stupid and needless foul in the semi against PSG. I disliked him from that moment on because it was always all about him - he was never a team player like Alan Smith.

Yes Ian Wright that scored the crucial away goal. You was annoyed with him, how do you think he felt? Amazing how people pick at faults in former players when they don't say what you want to hear. Very harsh on Wrighty, the managers set the team up to play that way (Graham, Houston, Rioch) not the player.

A player that is never mentioned in 98 that was a massive driver behind our success is Romford Pele. I remember Andy Gray saying in the cup final he couldn't believe Ray wasnt PFA player of the year, let alone picked for the England world cup squad.