As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:I've already laid my cards on the table and stated that I am finished with the club if this w*nker gets a new contract My two sons were brought up as Gooners and were told in no uncertain terms that they had no choice in the matter - I announced to them a fortnight ago that if the arrogant c.unt gets a new contract then they will be free to support another club if they so wish, because I refuse to force them to support a club whose only ambition is financial profits and who continually shits on its fans and lets a senile old c.unt ruin the club in the process
Everyone to their own but that's too far for me. I'm at the most apathetic I've ever been towards the club at the moment and I will be devastated if (when) Wenger gets a new contract. But The Arsenal are in my blood too long now. I look on them as a gift from my old man who made me a Gooner as a kid - something I passed on to my son. When my dad died we placed an Arsenal tie pin on him in his coffin. He would have loved that. My mom will phone and ask how The Arsenal did. The woman has zero interest in football but her husband and 4 sons are all Gooners.
It's not something I can switch off. I've spent thousands and thousands supporting us, gave up so much time, lost girlfriends over it. Being a Gooner has been a part of my life for over 40 years now. I have some bad memories sure, but also so many fantastic memories of cup final piss ups, great games, great footy trips with the lads, celebrating things like Anfield 89 and The Invincibles. Being a fan is more than just what is currently happening at the club.
Things change. People come, people go. Wenger will leave at some point. So whilst I won't attend games until he's gone I'll still watch them on TV etc and will encourage my son to do the same. And if my boy really wants to go to a game I'll bring him and try and take my enjoyment from seeing him enjoy the game.
So I'll wait. That's all I can do. Try and wait Wenger out. And then hopefully I'll enjoy watching and supporting us again.
Might I suggest that you send this to one of the Papers DB - or as an e-mail to 5LIVE (You may want (and rightly so) to de-personalise it), but your words draw such a parallel with how it began for me as a Gooner - How I too have tried to bring my boy up as a Gooner - and How I feel about this awful situation - Where regardless of our Love, Loyalty, Passion and continued Support for the clb - We find ourselves helpless to prevent what the owners and their choice of Manager have done and are doing to a club - that once was the by-word for "Class" - A team associated with Family Values etc - It reminds me of a dear, dear friend who has gone off the rials and no matter what I say or do - I have to (try and) wait for his safe return to some kind of Normality.
Oh! Yes and wenger is still a cun.t - I don't want to feel like that - But he has left so many with so little choice other than to turn our backs on him - NOT the club - Just him and wiggy.
As has already been mentioned and much as I want Wenger out and am looking forward to that day, there is this other thing, yeah, football has changed and it ain't gonna unchange itself any time soon. For those ppl reminiscing of days with a more aligned relationship between club and fan... that is most likely not what we will take away from the leaving of Wenger. I will probably always support Arsenal, but at the same time can't help myself despising what is part of this thing I'm cheering for. Cool business. It's a bitter-sweet thing.
Deejay DT(the man with the banner) has now done a Kroenke out banner. I find this sort of thing pathetic, as now we are going after big, bad, Stan. I'm no Kroenke fan, but he isn't the reason we have failed for the best part of a decade. He doesn't limit Wenger from spending, nor does he decide tactics, training methods etc. The only blame Kroenke deserves, is for not getting rid of Wenger after continuous failure, but pretending that the problems at the club are all down to him is nothing more than distracting from the Wenger issue.
not only is it a needless distraction and not only does it come off as pandering to the akb agenda to tell wenger off the hook, but it's totally pointless as kroenke won't see it, he wouldn't care anyway and he won't hear about it because the media won't give a shite
Must agree lads. I knew this was coming and Ive voiced my opinion on it.
Serves only to distract and dilute the Wenger Out message. Big mistake to change focus and pander to the likes of Wrighty and Wengerites.
You see its just the easy option. Its not controversial at all. No-ones gonna spit on you or slap you or threaten you with this banner. The people who will absolutely LOVE this banner are Wenger and his supporters.
Kroenke has a lot to answer for, the sooner he leaves Arsenal the better.
I see it the other way, Kroenke is getting off the hook somewhat because people are venting their fury on Wenger, but Silent Stan is definitely guilty of things not attributable to Wenger.
Robin_L wrote:Kroenke has a lot to answer for, the sooner he leaves Arsenal the better.
I see it the other way, Kroenke is getting off the hook somewhat because people are venting their fury on Wenger, but Silent Stan is definitely guilty of things not attributable to Wenger.
Yea. Hes guilty of not sacking the fraudulent bluffer.
Exactly what I mean. Wenger supporters will be gloating about this new banner.
I could never wash my hands of Arsenal and I would never want to but I am becoming more and more detached, even up until this year I would stream games that weren't on TV but i haven't bothered watching a lot of our games recently.
I got offered a free ticket for the Palace game as I'm in London anyway and getting a lift back with my dad after the game on the Sunday. Didn't even think about taking it. Not interested in watching Arsenal and really do not enjoy the experience of going to watch us at home - something I never thought id say.
The United game was the final straw. Sat there absolutely stewing on the coach as it took an hour to move 500m thinking how many better things I could do on a weekend with 75 quid and 15 hours. Sick and tired of watching a bunch of spineless players for a club who has every chance of big success but no intention of achieving it. Two or three had the bottle to get as far as the halfway line for some token acknowledgement of the fans at the final whistle whilst the rest skulked off - yet the same fuckers will happily crow about how mentally strong we are when four games later we beat some relegation fodder.
I love the club and it is a huge part of my life, my upbringing and my relationship with my family having spent two decades doing 12-hour round trips to watch us. Some of my best memories - actually most - are of football. going to football with my dad is still probably the strongest bond I have with him but I've reached the stage where it's just not worth it for me right now.
I'm not claiming to be "boycotting until Wenger is gone" because I'm not pretending that I've stopped going as a protest or because it's doing my bit to bring him down. I'm not going because I don't enjoy this bunch of charlatans playing for my club which is rotten to the core.
I could never wash my hands of Arsenal and I would never want to but I am becoming more and more detached, even up until this year I would stream games that weren't on TV but i haven't bothered watching a lot of our games recently.
I got offered a free ticket for the Palace game as I'm in London anyway and getting a lift back with my dad after the game on the Sunday. Didn't even think about taking it. Not interested in watching Arsenal and really do not enjoy the experience of going to watch us at home - something I never thought id say.
The United game was the final straw. Sat there absolutely stewing on the coach as it took an hour to move 500m thinking how many better things I could do on a weekend with 75 quid and 15 hours. Sick and tired of watching a bunch of spineless players for a club who has every chance of big success but no intention of achieving it. Two or three had the bottle to get as far as the halfway line for some token acknowledgement of the fans at the final whistle whilst the rest skulked off - yet the same fuckers will happily crow about how mentally strong we are when four games later we beat some relegation fodder.
I love the club and it is a huge part of my life, my upbringing and my relationship with my family having spent two decades doing 12-hour round trips to watch us. Some of my best memories - actually most - are of football. going to football with my dad is still probably the strongest bond I have with him but I've reached the stage where it's just not worth it for me right now.
I'm not claiming to be "boycotting until Wenger is gone" because I'm not pretending that I've stopped going as a protest or because it's doing my bit to bring him down. I'm not going because I don't enjoy this bunch of charlatans playing for my club which is rotten to the core.
northbank123 wrote:
I'm not claiming to be "boycotting until Wenger is gone" because I'm not pretending that I've stopped going as a protest or because it's doing my bit to bring him down. I'm not going because I don't enjoy this bunch of charlatans playing for my club which is rotten to the core.
Robin_L wrote:Kroenke has a lot to answer for, the sooner he leaves Arsenal the better.
I see it the other way, Kroenke is getting off the hook somewhat because people are venting their fury on Wenger, but Silent Stan is definitely guilty of things not attributable to Wenger.
Apart from not sacking Wenger, what else Is Kroenke guilty of? Lets be clear, if Kroenke sold the club tomorrow, then the new owner would come in, and Wenger would still refuse the funds available to him. It isn't Kroenke who would rather reward mediocre players like Giroud and Walcott than buy upgrades. It isn't Kroenke who decides tactics, or implements pre-historic training methods that leave at least one of our main players injured every season.
Robin_L wrote:Kroenke has a lot to answer for, the sooner he leaves Arsenal the better.
I see it the other way, Kroenke is getting off the hook somewhat because people are venting their fury on Wenger, but Silent Stan is definitely guilty of things not attributable to Wenger.
Apart from not sacking Wenger, what else Is Kroenke guilty of? Lets be clear, if Kroenke sold the club tomorrow, then the new owner would come in, and Wenger would still refuse the funds available to him. It isn't Kroenke who would rather reward mediocre players like Giroud and Walcott than buy upgrades. It isn't Kroenke who decides tactics, or implements pre-historic training methods that leave at least one of our main players injured every season.
Maybe just being accepting of the mediocrity that unfolds every season, instead of pursuing trophies.
His £3m reward each season is hardly bleeding us dry, it it still sticks in the craw
( our former "custodians" must be sobbing Into their diamond encrusted handkerchiefs eh )
I can understand why one would want to refrain from supporting the club. I in particular invested heaps of emotional energy into the belief we would win the league this year, only to be let down spectacularly. The worst thing is, Wenger doesn't appreciate or acknowledge how much the fans feel betrayed and let down by this seasons failure - Wenger wont even use the word failure. He will make up some theory about how we have 'progressed' this year. Its impossible to support this type of regime. There are even some players I cant stand (Walcott, Arteta, Giroud, Mertesacker)
I also feel conflicted, by the fact we are starting to play well. Sure we are winning games, but all it does it give Wenger an opportunity to weasel his way out of the fact his inability to win the league this year should be seen as a spectacular failure. Its not a cliche to say Arsenal start winning when the season is gone and the pressure is off - it happens every year. Every year there is a stage we are somewhat in the title race, only to falter big time, and only once the chance is gone, we start performing again - and then Wenger uses the late season rally to justify his decision not to sign players. Part of me wanted the poor run to continue, and fall out of the top 4 just so Wenger would have absolutely no where to hide. Because like a cockroach, he can find shelter in the harshest of conditions.
I already know he wont spend in preparation for next season. I foresee that arrogant smile in pre-season, where he bats away fears and concern for this squads quality in preparation for the season ahead. Its a smile that suggests he knows something the critics dont, and he is almost laughing at the idea he is being questioned (even though every year for a decade that smile is turned upside down - yet he still is resolute in his belief of his own genius).
I can just about tolerate one more year (safe in the knowledge its almost over, and its just one more year). However, the idea of another contract is soul destroying. It would be even worse than the let down of this season. I cannot even begin to fathom how I would digest the news that Wenger has signed a contract extension.
My two sons were brought up as Gooners and were told in no uncertain terms that they had no choice in the matter - I announced to them a fortnight ago that if the arrogant c.unt gets a new contract then they will be free to support another club if they so wish, because I refuse to force them to support a club whose only ambition is financial profits and who continually shits on its fans and lets a senile old c.unt ruin the club in the process
Nobody would do that surely mate....... 
