THE WENGER THREAD

[northbank123]

I didn't have a huge problem with the initial bid but it became obvious that Liverpool weren't going to sell and the only way the release clause could have been enforced would have been by Suarez which he obviously wouldn't do for us.

The joke was not going back with another 5-10m for a world class player who we frankly had no right to sign.

The release clause bid also makes a mockery of our complaints about tapping up.

[Gunner Rob]

I wasn't aware of the AST event last night so just catching up now, but really I am staggered by how much Henry Winter has apparently put the boot into Wenger.

This is the leading football journalist in the country absolutely ripping apart our manager here. This in other words is massive.

He is even telling Arsenal fans to protest MORE!!! So come on then, from this weekend onwards lets force the out!

[wibble]

The football league is investigating Leicester's finances for the 2013/14 season amid concerns they may have cheated financial fair play rules (guardian)

Well there you have it, no wonder we can't compete. Cheating bastards

[Clash]

The way he runs the club like we are some middle of the road club with limited resources and infrastructure is a scandal. Arsenal are a big club, with the highest match day revenues in Europe given the ticket prices. Yet Wenger projects the image Arsenal are a smaller club relative to others, and its because of him that we even get to play in Europe. What kind of sick joke is it, to think we owe it to Wenger for qualifying got the CL? I would say given Arsenal fans offer up more money to the club, than other fans offer to their club, that we pay out own way into the CL. Highest match day revenue in Europe - yet all Arsene has to do is finish 4th in England.

Its a flat out Fing lie to believe Arsenal are not swimming in cash. The money is there, yet Wenger chooses not to spend because he has turned Arsenal into his pet project, and wants to win 'his way'. Yet at the same time, he has no problems drawing the 3rd highest salary in Europe. Arsenal fans pay the most in Europe - our team is seriously under invested in, yet Wenger, and Kroenke make a killing. It really is hard not to believe Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke are part of a ponzi scheme.

I think the banners are being too polite. As make no mistake about it, the suffering and disappointment endured over the last 10 years has been unavoidable. Wenger does not deserve respect, or even a nice send off. If I had my way, his crimes would be read out, and he would be marched out the door, exposed for what he really is. He doesn't have the clubs interest at heart. I genuinely believe he views Arsenal as a pet toy, and a vehicle from which he can experiment with. He holds the fans in contempt, and thinks we should be honored by his mere presence. He is arrogant, narcissistic, and has an inflated view of himself. He doesnt go into every season exploring every measure in order for Arsenal to be successful, as he thinks he owns the club and can do whatever he wants whilst being exempt from criticism. Then when he is criticized, he reads of a list of non-achievements.

He doesnt deserve respect, at all.


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Great post mate, agree with every word.

Your first paragraph reminds me a bit of the elephant and the rope story. I just hope in this case the elephant (the fans) become aware of their power over the trainer (Wenger) so they can break free ... before trampling him into the fucking dirt!

[augie]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Nice end around. Very nice end around

[foxinthebox2001]

I didn't have a huge problem with the initial bid but it became obvious that Liverpool weren't going to sell and the only way the release clause could have been enforced would have been by Suarez which he obviously wouldn't do for us.

The joke was not going back with another 5-10m for a world class player who we frankly had no right to sign.

The release clause bid also makes a mockery of our complaints about tapping up.

I am sure that had Liverpool made the slightest indication they would listen to offers it would have sparked the 'proper' clubs into life. An auction would have started, and we would have pulled out at £40m +£1.
His team mate Gerrard was right on the money when he told him he can do better than us.

[supergeorgegraham]

I have just read pages of this thread. I do agree that Wenger has to go but he won't and he will only get rid of the players who either want to leave like Ospina and the ones who are nearly dead like Flamini, Arteta and Rosicky.
I think Arsenal F C is officially stuffed. Somehow we let a owner take control who has no interest in success just money. Kronke is the biggest disaster of all time because he will never let go of his cash cow.
TV money and loyal paying fans mean even if will fall to mid table he still profits. Our problems don't end with Wenger leaving but it's a great way to try and turn things around. Not sure how much financial backing the next boss will get but we are in a worse situation then any TV pundit would admit or know.

[DB10GOONER]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

[Gunner Rob]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

true but with hindsight even in those first 10 years a lot of his failings were already surfacing.
he had 10 years of failure in Europe behind him already in 2006, he was never able to win back to back league titles when really our only rivals at the time was Man United and if you look at our points totals he has only ever managed to get above 80 points four times at Arsenal. Some of our points totals in recent years compare favourably with his first 10 years, yet because of the increased competition, this has not resulted in any title challenges.

[Bradywasking]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

Yes we shouldn't forget, a tragedy of this tragedy is that our greatest manager has become our worst manager.

[augie]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

true but with hindsight even in those first 10 years a lot of his failings were already surfacing.
he had 10 years of failure in Europe behind him already in 2006, he was never able to win back to back league titles when really our only rivals at the time was Man United and if you look at our points totals he has only ever managed to get above 80 points four times at Arsenal. Some of our points totals in recent years compare favourably with his first 10 years, yet because of the increased competition, this has not resulted in any title challenges.

To the day I die, nothing will convince me that wenger was an integral part of those early successes - he was the luckiest b*stard alive to inherit the best defence in the history of English football, who not only gave the team a platform to build their attacking system around, but it also provided the team with real leadership at key moments (remember the players meeting after the Blackburn debacle in 97/98 season ?). Yes he added world class players in PV4, anelka and overmars, but they were the icing on the cake rather than the cake itself imo

I think the fact that he has NEVER won a European trophy of any kind (either with us or Monaco) speaks volumes about his ability to manage at the very top level and frankly should be a major source of embarrassment to the c.unt

[xgtdec]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

true but with hindsight even in those first 10 years a lot of his failings were already surfacing.
he had 10 years of failure in Europe behind him already in 2006, he was never able to win back to back league titles when really our only rivals at the time was Man United and if you look at our points totals he has only ever managed to get above 80 points four times at Arsenal. Some of our points totals in recent years compare favourably with his first 10 years, yet because of the increased competition, this has not resulted in any title challenges.

To the day I die, nothing will convince me that wenger was an integral part of those early successes - he was the luckiest b*stard alive to inherit the best defence in the history of English football, who not only gave the team a platform to build their attacking system around, but it also provided the team with real leadership at key moments (remember the players meeting after the Blackburn debacle in 97/98 season ?). Yes he added world class players in PV4, anelka and overmars, but they were the icing on the cake rather than the cake itself imo

I think the fact that he has NEVER won a European trophy of any kind (either with us or Monaco) speaks volumes about his ability to manage at the very top level and frankly should be a major source of embarrassment to the c.unt

Thats very well put....can you come round my work and have a word with some AKB's??

[DB10GOONER]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

true but with hindsight even in those first 10 years a lot of his failings were already surfacing.
he had 10 years of failure in Europe behind him already in 2006, he was never able to win back to back league titles when really our only rivals at the time was Man United and if you look at our points totals he has only ever managed to get above 80 points four times at Arsenal. Some of our points totals in recent years compare favourably with his first 10 years, yet because of the increased competition, this has not resulted in any title challenges.

To the day I die, nothing will convince me that wenger was an integral part of those early successes - he was the luckiest b*stard alive to inherit the best defence in the history of English football, who not only gave the team a platform to build their attacking system around, but it also provided the team with real leadership at key moments (remember the players meeting after the Blackburn debacle in 97/98 season ?). Yes he added world class players in PV4, anelka and overmars, but they were the icing on the cake rather than the cake itself imo

I think the fact that he has NEVER won a European trophy of any kind (either with us or Monaco) speaks volumes about his ability to manage at the very top level and frankly should be a major source of embarrassment to the c.unt

Sorry but I think you are letting your hatred of him cloud your thoughts here tbh. Why didn't GG win a Double or go unbeaten with that same defence? (Yes I know he came close in 91 but close isn't actually doing it is it). Why was that same defence finishing mid table in GG's last couple of seasons and why did it become little more than a cup side?

No one in their right mind would say Wenger didn't benefit from inheriting that defence, but to deny he added anything to it is ludicrous. He brought in Vieira and Petit - Adams and Keown have both stated the addition of those two players extended the lifespan of that defence as they took so much work off them.

[foxinthebox2001]

I am thinking of starting a petition for a small statue of Henry Winter to be erected.
Small enough for Clueless to use as a suppository.

[SPUDMASHER]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.

Yep. That would've been great, huh? No Doubles in 98 and 02. No Invincibles.

Look, I want him gone too but let's not turn into revisionist historians here. The man delivered the goods from 1996 to 2006. 10 years. The fact the last 10 years have been so bad should not distract from those first 10.

true but with hindsight even in those first 10 years a lot of his failings were already surfacing.
he had 10 years of failure in Europe behind him already in 2006, he was never able to win back to back league titles when really our only rivals at the time was Man United and if you look at our points totals he has only ever managed to get above 80 points four times at Arsenal. Some of our points totals in recent years compare favourably with his first 10 years, yet because of the increased competition, this has not resulted in any title challenges.

To the day I die, nothing will convince me that wenger was an integral part of those early successes - he was the luckiest b*stard alive to inherit the best defence in the history of English football, who not only gave the team a platform to build their attacking system around, but it also provided the team with real leadership at key moments (remember the players meeting after the Blackburn debacle in 97/98 season ?). Yes he added world class players in PV4, anelka and overmars, but they were the icing on the cake rather than the cake itself imo

I think the fact that he has NEVER won a European trophy of any kind (either with us or Monaco) speaks volumes about his ability to manage at the very top level and frankly should be a major source of embarrassment to the c.unt

Sorry but I think you are letting your hatred of him cloud your thoughts here tbh. Why didn't GG win a Double or go unbeaten with that same defence? (Yes I know he came close in 91 but close isn't actually doing it is it). Why was that same defence finishing mid table in GG's last couple of seasons and why did it become little more than a cup side?

No one in their right mind would say Wenger didn't benefit from inheriting that defence, but to deny he added anything to it is ludicrous. He brought in Vieira and Petit - Adams and Keown have both stated the addition of those two players extended the lifespan of that defence as they took so much work off them.

Nail on head!

Augie, your absolute hatred for Wenger does cloud your judgment on him to some degree. You've admitted that yourself in the past. It was Wenger that assembled most of the Invincibles and he deserves great credit for that.
There are a lot of managers that have won the CL and some are not that good tbh (Di Matteo) but even the great Sir Alex, Busby, Paisley, Iain Dowie (Okay, maybe stretching it a bit there ) and the special Maureen have never taken a team through an entire league campaign undefeated. You can't re-write history to suit the modern situation and your own feelings mate.