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Wilson wrote:I dont understand how the media and pundits rate Wenger, whilst at the same time have no expectations of him.
Example, imagine a parent interacting with two kids both of which are in school. One is capable, and one not. The good student gets a B on his test when he usually gets A's - the parent scolds him. However, the poor students who usually gets F's gets a D - he gets praised. The parent should theoretically hold both kids in the same regard, but given the different capabilities, the parent has lower expectations of the lesser capable kid and will make excuses for him.
This is the case with the media, pundits and Arsene Wenger relative to other managers. When Wenger loses against Barcelona, its 'oh its Barcelona, what did you expect'. But at the same time the pundits and media dont 'expect' Atletico Madrid to lose - they actually believe they can be competitive and even win, which they did. Its obvious on a subconscious level the media and pundits hold Wenger and Simeone to different standards - Simeone is capable and thus there are high expectations of him. Whilst Wenger is un-capable and there is low (or no) expectations of him. Why are Wenger and Simeone not being held to the same standard? Why are excuses being made for Wenger? Excuses that dont apply to Simeone?
This is the irony and of it all. The Wenger disciples dont really expect Arsenal to win or be successful, yet at the same time they talk up Wenger and defend his position
Which is it? Is Wenger a brilliant manager who should he held to high standards? Or is he a limited manager who needs excuses made up for his inability to succeed relative to other managers???????? You can have it both ways - yet the media, and pundits have it both ways. They have low expectations of Wenger, yet talk him up as a brilliant manager at the same time...............WTF
This is a very good post! I fail to understand why the media or the pundits doesn't haunt him with same passion as they do ManU and LVG for example. It's the expectations. ManU and LVG are expected to do much better while nobody really expects nothing more than 4th from our prick in charge. Fuck this is depressing.
Just a reminder that let's not get distracted about where the real problem lies. It is solely on Wenker, not on Wig Fuck. The resources are there and has been for a long time. Better manager like Simeoni would achieve so much more with current resources and maybe even with current squad compared to wenker, no question about it.
Btw, Simeoni to Arsenal won't happen even if I wanked myself to sleep every night dreaming about it. Remi Garde is available and is much more realistic option for us if by some miracle wenker decided to fuck off.
I'm following the weekly comedy show otherwise known as the Arsene Wenger press conference
he has just said (and I had to check that it wasn't April Fools Day) "It is perceived the title is over but I don’t think that completely.
We have to fight from now until the end of the season"
on what planet is this idiot on
The thing is what is the point of journalists if they do not pick him up on this??
surely this sort of crazy statement should make them ask - "don't you think it is a bit late to consider winning the title now, and do you feel embarrassed being so far behind Leicester City???"
Gunner Rob wrote:I'm following the weekly comedy show otherwise known as the Arsene Wenger press conference
he has just said (and I had to check that it wasn't April Fools Day) "It is perceived the title is over but I don’t think that completely.
We have to fight from now until the end of the season"
on what planet is this idiot on
The thing is what is the point of journalists if they do not pick him up on this??
surely this sort of crazy statement should make them ask - "don't you think it is a bit late to consider winning the title now, and do you feel embarrassed being so far behind Leicester City???"
That is his subtle ploy to try and keep momentum going to secure the 4th Place Virtual trophy......
Sad but could be in the Clubs better interest if we don't make top 4 this season
What has Wenger actually done to be so revered by so many in his 20 years?
He has won 3 titles at the club. Before he came, we had already won 10
He has won 6 FA Cups. Before Wenger, we’d won 6
He has not won any European trophies but has lost 2 finals. Before Wenger we’d won 2 European finals and lost 2 finals as well.
Wenger’s successful era (up to 2005) is not even the most successful period. That is still the 1930s. 5 titles, 2 FA Cups beats 3 titles and 3 FA Cups.
You can say Wenger is the most successful individual manager … but he is also the individual who went the longest without winning anything for the club.
In total this will be Wenger’s 13th season finishing empty handed ((unless there is a Leicester and Spurs collapse )
Clearly this man deserves to leave when he decides to
Gunner Rob wrote:I'm following the weekly comedy show otherwise known as the Arsene Wenger press conference
he has just said (and I had to check that it wasn't April Fools Day) "It is perceived the title is over but I don’t think that completely.
We have to fight from now until the end of the season"
on what planet is this idiot on
The thing is what is the point of journalists if they do not pick him up on this??
surely this sort of crazy statement should make them ask - "don't you think it is a bit late to consider winning the title now, and do you feel embarrassed being so far behind Leicester City???"
That is his subtle ploy to try and keep momentum going to secure the 4th Place Virtual trophy......
Sad but could be in the Clubs better interest if we don't make top 4 this season
I've never thought I would not want us to get into the top 4, until this season. I don't really care if we do or don't. (I can't believe I just posted that never mind even thought it beforehand. ) I have always wanted us to finish as high as we could. Does Wenger even deserve to get top 4, and would he leave if we didn't?
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Clash wrote:What has Wenger actually done to be so revered by so many in his 20 years?
He has won 3 titles at the club. Before he came, we had already won 10
He has won 6 FA Cups. Before Wenger, we’d won 6
He has not won any European trophies but has lost 2 finals. Before Wenger we’d won 2 European finals and lost 2 finals as well.
Wenger’s successful era (up to 2005) is not even the most successful period. That is still the 1930s. 5 titles, 2 FA Cups beats 3 titles and 3 FA Cups.
You can say Wenger is the most successful individual manager … but he is also the individual who went the longest without winning anything for the club.
In total this will be Wenger’s 13th season finishing empty handed ((unless there is a Leicester and Spurs collapse )
Clearly this man deserves to leave when he decides to
This is the thing that gets me, particularly recently when he said that he "built the club"
Arsenal got global recognition as a result of what they achieved in the 1930s, NOT because of their recent annual failures in the CL.
I keep hearing from AKBs that Wenger has made Arsenal bigger. It is just not true. We have been a massive club for many, many years.
Wenger will always be an important footnote in Arsenal history for his early success, and for the Invincibles season, but due to the lack of success for the now majority of his time at the club, he cannot I believe be considered to be our greatest ever manager.
Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere but if Liverpool win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4 does that mean the team that finishes fourth misses out on the spunk fest league? Arsene's bottom must be chewing on his undies at the very thought of that.
rodders999 wrote:Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere but if Liverpool win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4 does that mean the team that finishes fourth misses out on the spunk fest league? Arsene's bottom must be chewing on his undies at the very thought of that.
I asked the same question, but apparently Pool winning it and going into the CL won't affect the 4 English places in the CL.
rodders999 wrote:Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere but if Liverpool win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4 does that mean the team that finishes fourth misses out on the spunk fest league? Arsene's bottom must be chewing on his undies at the very thought of that.
We can have a maximum of 5 teams, only if both Liverpool and Man City finish outside the top 4 and win their respective competitions will 4th spot (more likely United) not qualify.
Anyhow City have drawn Real Madrid so its irrelevant.
rodders999 wrote:Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere but if Liverpool win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4 does that mean the team that finishes fourth misses out on the spunk fest league? Arsene's bottom must be chewing on his undies at the very thought of that.
We can have a maximum of 5 teams, only if both Liverpool and Man City finish outside the top 4 and win their respective competitions will 4th spot (more likely United) not qualify.
rodders999 wrote:Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere but if Liverpool win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4 does that mean the team that finishes fourth misses out on the spunk fest league? Arsene's bottom must be chewing on his undies at the very thought of that.
We can have a maximum of 5 teams, only if both Liverpool and Man City finish outside the top 4 and win their respective competitions will 4th spot (more likely United) not qualify.
Anyhow City have drawn Real Madrid so its irrelevant.
City v Munich is still on though!
so what happens if City finish 5th and need to win that match in order to get back into the CL?
bit of a dilemma for Guardiola
Ikechukwu1 wrote:Mourinho may be a scumbag but one thing I'm thankful to him for is for exposing Wenker to media scrutiny. The media are honestly beyond ridiculous and it wasn't until start of this season when Mourinho asked the question:
"Why is A-hole the only manager that isn't accountable" that the media finally started questioning him. Remember how much Wenker hated it?!
This is why I look forward to Mourinho taking over at ManYoo. Can you imagine how much he's gonna take the piss after he extends his unbeaten record (no the charity shield don't count )....
Can you imagine the barbs he will make? "I took a year out, came back, still beat Wenker, still finished above him"
If there's one thing our beloved incompetent fuckwit won't allow, it's being questioned about his incompetence.
This is why I have to laugh at all these mugs like Keown saying
"Be careful or Arsenal will end up like ManYoo"
Aside from the ridiculous notion of comparing a man who won 2 CLs and over a dozen league titles with a Specialist in Failure.....
I'll call this now: once Jose takes charge of ManYoo this summer, they'll finish miles ahead of Arsenal again. With no CL to distract they're in with a chance of winning it.
Love to hear from Keown and AKB Mongs then about how bad it would be to "end up like ManYoo". They'd have had 3 different managers in that time but will finish up at least in the top 2 of the league. Something Lord A-hole hasn't managed for 12 years
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