THE WENGER THREAD

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

He will be here 100% next season, it isnt even in question.

I want him gone, as ive said before the best thing all round (realistically) is for him to announce he steps down at the end of next year when his contract ends - the fighting stops, there is light at the end of the tunnel, the crowd will subsequently get behind the team more and maybe he can leave with some dignity.

I want him gone now, but it simply wont happen.

Good to see Arsene's loyal devoted lieutenants are still desperate to see the arse hole who "built the club" leave with his dignity intact. Ignore all the other stuff

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[armchair]

Supporters can and will force him out. If not this season then he will not renew. Its over lads. Thank God.

Sunderland, Man City and Villa will be the end of him.

Haven't you heard old chap? "We fans can do nothing". Apparently, Arsenal is an intergalactic club with a unique set of rules that don't apply to every other club. Kroenke is the only other foreign owner in it for the cash, Wenker is an ethereal being who couldn't ever be shifted.

Get with the program old bean! Better to peddle the myth the fans can "do nothing" so at least it gives Lord A-Hole's dwindling "I want him to leave with his head held high" crew one last year to rekindle their intimate romance
The final fling that is next season

Mate hes toast. When Gazidis sees Sunderland, City and Villa he will have to move. Gazidis is key. I know Wenger had a say in his appointment but their relationship is fractured imo.
I dont care if he leaves with his head held high or leaves in disgrace. just so long as he leaves. quicker the better. Although I dont see how he can leave with his head held high. That ship sailed long ago and this season compounded it.

[Blade]

[quoteHaven't you heard old chap? "We fans can do nothing".][/quote]

Exactly we are just customers.Like attending a concert.

Win,lose or draw its just a sat afternoon outing.

"Not everyone can win the championship".

[armchair]

[Ikechukwu1]

I never thought I'd find myself feeling like this but I would actually like to see us slip down to 6th by the end of the season. It won't happen of course but it would be interesting to here the bullshit that followed.

I heard today that Ancelotti is making Sanchez his number 1 target for Bayern in the summer. If I was him I'd take the offer and try to get Ozil to go too. I really only think that players walking out will make a difference. Fans can't and the media can't but players leaving can. Of course there are some that would never do so as they know they wouldn't get in to any other Prem teams or top European clubs (Wally, Gibbs, Wilshere and Ramsey to name just 4).

Still peddling that old myth eh? I wonder what those Scouse fans who drove out Rodgers, drove out Rafa (who won a CL), and drove out not one, but two ruthless Yank owners make of defeatist fans of this elk?

Is it any wonder the whole club is such a mess. I'll repeat Arsenal are no different. If the fans properly go for him, the board will act. So far sadly, the height of our "toxic atmosphere" was three fans at a train station in Stoke, and a few Ruperts booing mildly after Palace after spending 90 minutes sunning themselves in the various empty seats in between tweets.

I also had to laugh at the farcical notion that "players leaving would make a difference"

Vieira to Juve
Henry to Barca (gave up on winning CL with us)
Fabregas to Barca, then back to win the league with Chavs
Nasri to Citeh (proved our fans wrong with 2 titles)
And worse still...

Cole to Chelski (won everything)
RVP handed on plate to ManYoo and wins them the PL

Of course, players walking out really did it before eh? Oh no wait...it's because "Na$ri" is a money grabbing judas. Yeah so is Cesc (took paycut to join Barca)...so was Cole...errrrr yeah RVP too (turned down bigger money at Citeh but let's ignore facts)...

Tell you who defo isn't a money-grabber though. That wrinkly wankstain on £8m a year!

Oh what's that line you used recently again? Aaah yes...

"I still want him to leave with his head held high"

I stand by the statement that fans can't force his exit. At any other club maybe, but not at ours. Our board won't give a toss if every single season ticket holder refused to renew. There are plenty out there that will grab the chance of an ST and it would free up more seats for tourist fans that also spend money at the concession outlets and the club shop. Win-win for the club isn't it. You have to remember that as long as he is achieving what the owner wants i.e. top four football, a remote owner that doesn't have to face the fans at any time will not give a shit what they think.
You're talking about one player leaving in a season. I'm talking about several players leaving at once. Players leaving en mass could do it. If Ozil and Sanchez left this summer with statements about the clubs lack of ambition and a mediocre squad it would be difficult to attract other top players. You'd only need one or two others going to create the problem. That'd force the clubs hand. It may not seal his exit but it would force a different approach in the transfer market. Ultimately that's what fans want. We want to honestly compete and to do so in the modern game you have to spend money for the best players.

Mate you've missed the point again.
Several players leaving at once you say? How about this one then:

"You cannot lose Cesc and Nasri in the same summer and pretend you are a big club"

Arsenal's two best players! In the same summer.

After he left Nasri slated him and said Mancini had taught him more about tactics in one training session than Wenker had in 2 years!

Cesc said the same. That with Spain team he learned about tactics "instead of playing cards"

What happened?
Ce$c and Na$ri according to our braindead fans (ignoring that Cesc left for less money )

Ozil? It's obvious to the world he has no faith in Lord Turd-muncher but all we hear is "I only signed for Arsenal due to Wenker"
Now. Everyone knows that's bollocks and will be proven so when, like Henry, he buggers off to Juve or Barca.

Sanchez same. BOTH players have called off contract talks with the club after Lord A-hole claimed "they will both sign". More arrogant deluded lies...

Wanna know what though? After he secures his move, like Sanchez, they'll thank Lord A because like Cesc, he will do everything to make their moves smooth and painless. Then watch Ozil (as Henry did and still to this day does) come out with "Wenger is one of the best managers around. Gunners should keep faith with him". Sanchez will talk about how Wenker "is one of the biggest influences in my career". Cesc certainly did?

When push comes to shove the best players bugger off but part of the deal to let them leave is that Wenker lets them know they HAVE to eulogise about him upon leaving. That way it cements HIS position, His £8m and His reputation (which is now shot). Fuck the club eh...

Nope sorry. The fans will force the issue. I'll just remind you of this quote from Gazidis at the fans Q&A from 2012:

"The fans will determine Arsene's future"

Even Gazidis admits that. I know he's a spineless lying cretin but even he knows the score.

How can you claim fan pressure will achieve nothing when our fans have actually done fuck all to date? I'd get that point if we'd been hammering him and giving him hell in the stadium for 3 months on end, protests and loud anti-Wenker chants...but he wouldn't move. Fair.

Yet we e done fuck all. So how can you know it'll do nothing if it hasn't even been tried? The one thing we do know, is that continuing as we are and doing nothing, will DEFINITELY cement his position.

[Henry Norris 1913]

wenger wavered the oppurtunity to leave in dignity about 5 years ago before the 8-2, when he became a joke all around the world for his delusion and mad ramblings, and chelsea fans were singing for him to stay, and he signed someone with a fucking broken back.

the only way he could leave with less dignity than right now is in a tottenham shirt with the trousers round his ankles

[BFG4]

The Ozil and Sanchez situations are another example of Wenger's mis-management. He signs two world class players, and rather than seeing it as an opportunity to build a proper side, he sees it as the missing piece of the puzzle. It doesn't matter that the squad still needed several signings, apparently having both of them at the club was going to be enough to challenge for the honours The other laughable part, is that history is repeating itself, just like with RVP, Fabregas etc. world class players are not going to hang around a club, that surrounds them with mediocre players.

[GTG]

I never thought I'd find myself feeling like this but I would actually like to see us slip down to 6th by the end of the season. It won't happen of course but it would be interesting to here the bullshit that followed.

I heard today that Ancelotti is making Sanchez his number 1 target for Bayern in the summer. If I was him I'd take the offer and try to get Ozil to go too. I really only think that players walking out will make a difference. Fans can't and the media can't but players leaving can. Of course there are some that would never do so as they know they wouldn't get in to any other Prem teams or top European clubs (Wally, Gibbs, Wilshere and Ramsey to name just 4).

Still peddling that old myth eh? I wonder what those Scouse fans who drove out Rodgers, drove out Rafa (who won a CL), and drove out not one, but two ruthless Yank owners make of defeatist fans of this elk?

Is it any wonder the whole club is such a mess. I'll repeat Arsenal are no different. If the fans properly go for him, the board will act. So far sadly, the height of our "toxic atmosphere" was three fans at a train station in Stoke, and a few Ruperts booing mildly after Palace after spending 90 minutes sunning themselves in the various empty seats in between tweets.

I also had to laugh at the farcical notion that "players leaving would make a difference"

Vieira to Juve
Henry to Barca (gave up on winning CL with us)
Fabregas to Barca, then back to win the league with Chavs
Nasri to Citeh (proved our fans wrong with 2 titles)
And worse still...

Cole to Chelski (won everything)
RVP handed on plate to ManYoo and wins them the PL

Of course, players walking out really did it before eh? Oh no wait...it's because "Na$ri" is a money grabbing judas. Yeah so is Cesc (took paycut to join Barca)...so was Cole...errrrr yeah RVP too (turned down bigger money at Citeh but let's ignore facts)...

Tell you who defo isn't a money-grabber though. That wrinkly wankstain on £8m a year!

Oh what's that line you used recently again? Aaah yes...

"I still want him to leave with his head held high"

I stand by the statement that fans can't force his exit. At any other club maybe, but not at ours. Our board won't give a toss if every single season ticket holder refused to renew. There are plenty out there that will grab the chance of an ST and it would free up more seats for tourist fans that also spend money at the concession outlets and the club shop. Win-win for the club isn't it. You have to remember that as long as he is achieving what the owner wants i.e. top four football, a remote owner that doesn't have to face the fans at any time will not give a shit what they think.
You're talking about one player leaving in a season. I'm talking about several players leaving at once. Players leaving en mass could do it. If Ozil and Sanchez left this summer with statements about the clubs lack of ambition and a mediocre squad it would be difficult to attract other top players. You'd only need one or two others going to create the problem. That'd force the clubs hand. It may not seal his exit but it would force a different approach in the transfer market. Ultimately that's what fans want. We want to honestly compete and to do so in the modern game you have to spend money for the best players.

Mate you've missed the point again.
Several players leaving at once you say? How about this one then:

"You cannot lose Cesc and Nasri in the same summer and pretend you are a big club"

Arsenal's two best players! In the same summer.

After he left Nasri slated him and said Mancini had taught him more about tactics in one training session than Wenker had in 2 years!

Cesc said the same. That with Spain team he learned about tactics "instead of playing cards"

What happened?
Ce$c and Na$ri according to our braindead fans (ignoring that Cesc left for less money )

Ozil? It's obvious to the world he has no faith in Lord Turd-muncher but all we hear is "I only signed for Arsenal due to Wenker"
Now. Everyone knows that's bollocks and will be proven so when, like Henry, he buggers off to Juve or Barca.

Sanchez same. BOTH players have called off contract talks with the club after Lord A-hole claimed "they will both sign". More arrogant deluded lies...

Wanna know what though? After he secures his move, like Sanchez, they'll thank Lord A because like Cesc, he will do everything to make their moves smooth and painless. Then watch Ozil (as Henry did and still to this day does) come out with "Wenger is one of the best managers around. Gunners should keep faith with him". Sanchez will talk about how Wenker "is one of the biggest influences in my career". Cesc certainly did?

When push comes to shove the best players bugger off but part of the deal to let them leave is that Wenker lets them know they HAVE to eulogise about him upon leaving. That way it cements HIS position, His £8m and His reputation (which is now shot). Fuck the club eh...

Nope sorry. The fans will force the issue. I'll just remind you of this quote from Gazidis at the fans Q&A from 2012:

"The fans will determine Arsene's future"

Even Gazidis admits that. I know he's a spineless lying cretin but even he knows the score.

How can you claim fan pressure will achieve nothing when our fans have actually done fuck all to date? I'd get that point if we'd been hammering him and giving him hell in the stadium for 3 months on end, protests and loud anti-Wenker chants...but he wouldn't move. Fair.

Yet we e done fuck all. So how can you know it'll do nothing if it hasn't even been tried? The one thing we do know, is that continuing as we are and doing nothing, will DEFINITELY cement his position.

I actually agree with every word there Baba. The fans as a whole (the banner lads aside) have done nothing. Even the away lot stood and watched whilst one lad was punched with the banner at West Ham. As for this "Poisonous" atmosphere at the Emirates.... don't make me laugh.... there has been f.uck all literally nothing. There is no way in a million years Wenger will stay under real and sustained fan pressure you only have to look at games where there has actually been some dissent.... Villa home first game of the season that year for example to say just how much he struggles to take it. Only this morning did I have to listen to that prick John Cross saying how disgraceful the wenger abuse is..... what abuse? there isn't any abuse on the banners at all. We are gonna have to deal with our names being dragged through the mud but those of us that want him out know its for the greater good and it has to happen inside the ground at home games. He WILL walk.

[NickF]

I actually agree with every word there Baba. The fans as a whole (the banner lads aside) have done nothing. Even the away lot stood and watched whilst one lad was punched with the banner at West Ham. As for this "Poisonous" atmosphere at the Emirates.... don't make me laugh.... there has been f.uck all literally nothing. There is no way in a million years Wenger will stay under real and sustained fan pressure you only have to look at games where there has actually been some dissent.... Villa home first game of the season that year for example to say just how much he struggles to take it. Only this morning did I have to listen to that prick John Cross saying how disgraceful the wenger abuse is..... what abuse? there isn't any abuse on the banners at all. We are gonna have to deal with our names being dragged through the mud but those of us that want him out know its for the greater good and it has to happen inside the ground at home games. He WILL walk.

That is the problem GTG, there is no shortage of people on various social media sites and forums saying what should be done but very little actual action. There is an excellent opportunity for people who feel strongly to make there voices heard on Thursday, as there is apparently loads of seats available. If anyone wants to do something there are a few guys on here definately up for protesting so PM them or me.

[xisstential]

It’s easy to critique players, but for me, the blame for Arsenal’s season sits at the door of Arsene Wenger. He buys them, he trains them, he gives them instructions (apparently) and he motivates them to perform.

Sure, certain players haven’t performed. Theo Walcott is quite frankly, an absolute joke of a player. Creaming in a £140k a week contract, playing like someone who has handed his notice in. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, seems to have all the talent, but none of the brains to deliver on it. But he’s young, his confidence has been shot to pieces and no one seems to be coaching him to iron out his foibles.

It’s difficult to really hammer on other names. Mikel Arteta, Tomas Rosicky and Mathieu Flamini should not have been part of our squad this season. They’re not good enough in 2016 and they’re far too old. Santi Cazorla, an incredible player, but one we knew would break down after constantly playing for three seasons in the twilight of his career. Why didn’t Wenger have a backup plan? Aaron Ramsey has been at Arsenal forever and we still don’t know what his best position is and we trained him to plug gaps in our midfield when players pick up injuries. Jack Wilshere is either injured, smoking or getting involved in 3am scraps. Mesut Ozil has faded horrendously in the second half of the season. Alexis Sanchez looks desperately frustrated.

The issue Wenger has is that he’s not ruthless enough with the average, he’s not brutal enough with the aged and he’s not sharp enough in the transfer market. He’s scared. He’s petrified of making a splash with five or six players, because that would make him accountable. He’s happier treading water, making the Champions League, earning three-year extensions on his terms. He’s not a winner anymore, and he’s forgotten what it takes to be the best.

That fear is evident in his recent comments in the press that are him gearing Arsenal fans up for another summer of failure. The man is talking about the implications of Brexit - the possibility of Britain leaving the European Union - which no one can possibly know at this moment in time.

His narrative should be about building a better Arsenal. He should be holding up his hands, admitting a disastrous failure and assuring fans he has a plan in mind that’ll blow us away.

Instead, he’s complaining that it’s hard to find players and comparing Leicester to Barcelona.

So, it’s all well and good blaming the men on the pitch, but tell me anyone that can perform in a business that has no vision, no ambition and no desire to be the best?

Arsenal fans need to look at the man running the show. The buck stops with Arsene. He made this mess. Trouble is he can’t fix it. Worse, he is too shameless to leave. So goes on the never ending story. Prepare for another three years of boring, stale, predictable football likely to be made worse by the influx of world class managerial talent.

Oh Arsene, what have you done?

How on earth can you argue with this?? And I have said before Wenger is scared to spend, he doesn't trust himself, he spends big and still fails his ineptitude will be shown to the world. At the moment he hides behind frugality.

[Sean]

Here's a good analysis of what we used to be and what we have become. After 11 minutes it leads into the 'Naive or arrogant' discussion.

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It's sad to see what The Old Fraud has become and even worse to see us wilfully turned into a team of clueless, cowardly fuckwits. How the fuck can that snobby bastard Wenger think this sideways shite is better than what we had?

Pressure must be kept up on the old fucker and pray the 2019 extension doesn't happen. 407 (+720?) days to go.

[OneBardGooner]

wenger wavered the oppurtunity to leave in dignity about 5 years ago before the 8-2, when he became a joke all around the world for his delusion and mad ramblings, and chelsea fans were singing for him to stay, and he signed someone with a fucking broken back.

the only way he could leave with less dignity than right now is in a tottenham shirt with the trousers round his ankles

Fucccck what a horrifying image....BUT, talking of the scum and wenger with his cacks around his ankles - Has anyone else noticed how Wengers gimp john cwoss has been Biggin' Up the scum these past 4 - 6 weeks every time he is on the radio....I bet Wenger won't say a dickie bird to the cunnt.

[MrT]

If Sanchez and Ozil leave, who honestly gives a shit when you analyse it? We were average to shit before them and have been average to shit after we signed them. They have not improved us at all in the competitions that matter. Both of them have bottled the big games and gone missing when they were needed, not arsed in the slightest.

No point Wenger offering them more money if he is still going to be the manager. Nothing will change.

[OneBardGooner]

Time Gazidis acted then the spineless cuntt.

[Jock Gooner]

I know it's going back a bit to the days before we became a brand and all that bollox but it was the fans actions that resulted in the board getting shot of Terry Neill back in 1983/4? when he had lost the plot (not quite as badly as TOF to be fair to Terry). I'm sure plenty on this site were in the North Bank making their feelings known as well as at the demos outside the main entrance. It didn't take the board too long to act back then as it was embarrassing for them and they didn't like the negative press attention. So it can be done....but I wonder just how many of the fans from back then are still kicking around the club.....or if the new generations realise it can be done.....but it does involve everyone chipping in to get the job done.