THE WENGER THREAD

[xisstential]

I think he knows if he signs these extra top players, then our team would look really good on paper, and there would be serious expectation. For arguments sake we signed Benzema, then we would have Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema in the attack - why shouldn't that team be expected to win the league? But by keeping the likes of Giroud and Walcott, it gives Wenger an outlet in the case of failure. The critics always say we are 2-3 players short of winning the title. Yet if Wenger bought those players and came up short - what excuses are made for him? But as we are forever 2-3 players short,

That is just a really bizarre argument - he doesn't buy the couple of players we need for fear of failure but we fail anyway.

You still don't get it..... he spends very little money and gets 4th, the board, Kroenke & Wenger see it/spin it, as success. He spends 100m and still only gets 4th it doesn't look so good. You say fail, but the club doesn't see 4th as failure, it's success with very little outlay. Of course the MASSIVE wage bill gets conveniently overlooked.

[xisstential]

I see Wenger has given his opinion on the latest football drugs scandal, telling everyone that football needs to "wake up". Oh the irony..

Always got something to say about EVERYTHING & nothing meaningful or sensible to say about our disgraceful season.

[begeegs]

I can completely sympathize with the supporters who are beyond caring right now. I am also in that boat. I have watched very little of the football over the past couple of months too.

What will be interesting is if this will carry on into the new season. We all know that there will be some changes in the summer, but will a lack of football bring us back to watching Wenger's Arsenal (because we all know that he will be here next season). If we are still turned off and others too, this could filter to other fans. However, I think that like most, we will likely come back to see how the team will be playing.

I am nicking this from this mornings Arseblog - it is hilarious that Wenger can come up with this sort of crap and that no one questions it:

Arsene Wenger speaking before the Sunderland game and the fact we had just played on Thursday: “It’s no problem. In fact, there’s a very interesting study that has come out from Uefa that shows that the points taken by the teams three days later are not less than after four or five days. It’s the opposite and that is quite interesting.”

Arsene Wenger speaking after the Sunderland game: “The fact that we played Sunday, Thursday and then today, we suffered a little bit physically in the second half and then the game was much more difficult for us.”

I am starting to actually question the guys sanity. The fact that he is now contradicting himself within a matter of days. It is either sheer arrogance that he will get away with this sort of crap (and he largely is) or he is becoming senile on the job.

[Wilson]

I think he knows if he signs these extra top players, then our team would look really good on paper, and there would be serious expectation. For arguments sake we signed Benzema, then we would have Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema in the attack - why shouldn't that team be expected to win the league? But by keeping the likes of Giroud and Walcott, it gives Wenger an outlet in the case of failure. The critics always say we are 2-3 players short of winning the title. Yet if Wenger bought those players and came up short - what excuses are made for him? But as we are forever 2-3 players short,

That is just a really bizarre argument - he doesn't buy the couple of players we need for fear of failure but we fail anyway.

He doesnt buy the players we need because winning would then be expected of him, and deep down he doesnt believe he can win. So he refuses to buy the players in order to cover himself from fall out for when he inevitably fails.

Of course we still fail. The main criticism is, Wenger doesnt even try to win. I could tolerate him if I believed he left no stone un-turned in the quest for glory. However, he goes into the season under prepared and with the team lacking both quality and quantity. His attitude is a bigger problem than his sh.. tactics and player judgement.

[Gunner Rob]

I think the fact that the press has turned (and it has now) is significant.
what truly amazed me though was Henry Winter actually saying that Arsenal fans need to protest more to get rid of him!

I am just hoping that a significant protest can take place at one of the remaining games inside or outside the ground.
whatever happens needs to be coordinated though. It was a little muddled last week v WBA I thought.
There was talk of a 75th minute walk out, but also talk of banners being shown at 90 minutes. That doesn't really make sense, and more needs to be done to make the protests more effective

[Wilson]

'you might end up like Man United'. Oh the irony if they steal our 4th place. Ferguson departs and they spend one season out of the CL, yet failure to qualify for next years CL will put us in the same predicament. If that happened, Wenger would be more David Moyes than Louis Van Gaal, given LVG would be 2 for 2 in qualifying for the CL and having never dropped out of the top 4, and can match Wengers cup success if they beat Palace at Wembley. Yet astonishingly the initial comparisons were Wenger to Alex Ferguson?????????

Whats fuking wrong with people? Wenger runs a real possibility of having a poorer record than LVG. Yet for some bizarre reason, we are being told to be careful what we wish for????????????????

Im am becoming more perplexed as this fiasco goes on.

[NickF]

I think the fact that the press has turned (and it has now) is significant.
what truly amazed me though was Henry Winter actually saying that Arsenal fans need to protest more to get rid of him!

I am just hoping that a significant protest can take place at one of the remaining games inside or outside the ground.
whatever happens needs to be coordinated though. It was a little muddled last week v WBA I thought.
There was talk of a 75th minute walk out, but also talk of banners being shown at 90 minutes. That doesn't really make sense, and more needs to be done to make the protests more effective

You can ask fans to help, but even on this forum you don't get any response and in one case i even got threats.

[TeeCee]

I don't think 'walk-outs' from the stadium will ever work. So many supporters travel some distance to get to the Emirates, there's not that many 'locals' any more! If you've had to wait around for one, two or three trains, all of which were late and work your way through crowds of excitable people (I mean on the tube, not at the Emirates)!! Or you've had to drive from the home counties into the congested nightmare that is London, to park two miles from the ground and walk in, then you're hardly going to walk out again after xx minutes..... except for the mass exodus that starts 15 mins from the end of the game anyway!! I think the best bet is not to go at all but again, that is not going to happen on a large enough scale and if you've already paid for a ticket, the club aren't going to give a fuck anyway. They are probably a leetle bit pleased when there are 10,000 empty seats because in their eyes, that will be the 'moaners' staying away!!
I think the best bet for the remainder of this season is go to games but get as many banners/cards or whatever held up THROUGHOUT THE GAME! Get them seen on TV, don't give Sky the chance to skip past them at the end of the game. If enough people look like they are protesting then the media will keep throwing questions at Wonga and hopefully some more senior people. The more that do it the more argument there is that it is not just a small minority. Hopefully, if Yahnited pip us to 4th then there will be real pressure, not to mention the end of his f*cking 'every year in the CL' boast.

[Gunner Rob]

I think the fact that the press has turned (and it has now) is significant.
what truly amazed me though was Henry Winter actually saying that Arsenal fans need to protest more to get rid of him!

I am just hoping that a significant protest can take place at one of the remaining games inside or outside the ground.
whatever happens needs to be coordinated though. It was a little muddled last week v WBA I thought.
There was talk of a 75th minute walk out, but also talk of banners being shown at 90 minutes. That doesn't really make sense, and more needs to be done to make the protests more effective

You can ask fans to help, but even on this forum you don't get any response and in one case i even got threats.

you are doing a great job with your banner Nick and to display it in that apathetic crowd last Thursday took real guts.
what I am asking for is a more coordinated protest though - why are none of the supporters groups getting involved? If they don't then there is no end in sight I am afraid.

And it totally suits Wenger and Kroenke to discard long standing season ticket holders this summer.
once those that protest are eradicated from the stadium it will be a lot easier to award Wenger his new contract.

[augie]

I think the fact that the press has turned (and it has now) is significant.
what truly amazed me though was Henry Winter actually saying that Arsenal fans need to protest more to get rid of him!

I am just hoping that a significant protest can take place at one of the remaining games inside or outside the ground.
whatever happens needs to be coordinated though. It was a little muddled last week v WBA I thought.
There was talk of a 75th minute walk out, but also talk of banners being shown at 90 minutes. That doesn't really make sense, and more needs to be done to make the protests more effective

You can ask fans to help, but even on this forum you don't get any response and in one case i even got threats.

you are doing a great job with your banner Nick and to display it in that apathetic crowd last Thursday took real guts.
what I am asking for is a more coordinated protest though - why are none of the supporters groups getting involved? If they don't then there is no end in sight I am afraid.

And it totally suits Wenger and Kroenke to discard long standing season ticket holders this summer.
once those that protest are eradicated from the stadium it will be a lot easier to award Wenger his new contract.

Gutless is the word you are looking for rob

Over the last few seasons we have seen supporters groups call for cheaper tickets, more arsenalisation etc etc, but the single most fundamental issue that is holding our club back is the manager, but yet they are silent on that We all refer back to the disgraceful redaction parade ( ) but really are any of the different ? To me it seems that they are all operating on a self serving (access to the club) policy and prioritising that over anything that might help the club rather themselves

[Clash]

'you might end up like Man United'. Oh the irony if they steal our 4th place. Ferguson departs and they spend one season out of the CL, yet failure to qualify for next years CL will put us in the same predicament. If that happened, Wenger would be more David Moyes than Louis Van Gaal, given LVG would be 2 for 2 in qualifying for the CL and having never dropped out of the top 4, and can match Wengers cup success if they beat Palace at Wembley. Yet astonishingly the initial comparisons were Wenger to Alex Ferguson?????????

Whats fuking wrong with people? Wenger runs a real possibility of having a poorer record than LVG. Yet for some bizarre reason, we are being told to be careful what we wish for????????????????

Im am becoming more perplexed as this fiasco goes on.

Anyone who says ''be careful what you wish for'' in connection with Arsenal is a fucking moron.

Brain of Britain Dion Dublin said it on Football Focus ... and even more recently it was repeated by that loathsome old fucker Mark Lawrenson on the radio. These guys are being paid licence payers money to give their opinions and that's the best they can come up with? What is Lawrenson on at the BBC? £1m a year? And yet when asked about something he is meant to be an expert on, he fucking plays it safe and churns out a tedious old cliche. I could do that and not look anywhere near as hideous as he does with his melting face.

Lawrenson (or 'Lawro' as he is nauseatingly refererred to like he is one of the lads) once did a piece in the Sun or Mirror comparing Sven Goran Eriksson to Chance the Gardner the Peter Sellers character in the film Being There. It probably wasnt Lawro's own own work but basically it was saying Sven was a fraud and people only thought he was intelligent because they were seeing qualities in him that were not there. What really were bland and empty observations were mistaken for insight and profound wisdom.

That is sounding more and more like Wenger to me, although as we all know, Inspector Clouseau remains the most appropriate of Peter Sellers characters to compare with Wenger. A bungling fraud, stumbling his way through a case causing havoc and disaster upon disaster but somehow at the end stumbling on just enough success to still be lauded as a hero by the ignorant masses ... while the only one who knows what he really is ends up going insane trying to prove it.



How many of us here who have wanted Wenger out for years get a twitchy eye when he comes on the screen?

[Herd]

Unfortunately unless there is a mass uprising nothing will happen ,even if we drop to 5th all they will do is thin the squad out and reduce the wage bill.
Getting rid of Arteta Rosicky and Flamini alone saves over 12 million a year sell walcot for 15 million and thats another 22 million in savings !

Ship a few wonderkids from Africa and were on the gravy train again Whoooo Whooooo !

[Clash]

I think the fact that the press has turned (and it has now) is significant.
what truly amazed me though was Henry Winter actually saying that Arsenal fans need to protest more to get rid of him!

I am just hoping that a significant protest can take place at one of the remaining games inside or outside the ground.
whatever happens needs to be coordinated though. It was a little muddled last week v WBA I thought.
There was talk of a 75th minute walk out, but also talk of banners being shown at 90 minutes. That doesn't really make sense, and more needs to be done to make the protests more effective

You can ask fans to help, but even on this forum you don't get any response and in one case i even got threats.

you are doing a great job with your banner Nick and to display it in that apathetic crowd last Thursday took real guts.
what I am asking for is a more coordinated protest though - why are none of the supporters groups getting involved? If they don't then there is no end in sight I am afraid.

And it totally suits Wenger and Kroenke to discard long standing season ticket holders this summer.
once those that protest are eradicated from the stadium it will be a lot easier to award Wenger his new contract.

Gutless is the word you are looking for rob

Over the last few seasons we have seen supporters groups call for cheaper tickets, more arsenalisation etc etc, but the single most fundamental issue that is holding our club back is the manager, but yet they are silent on that We all refer back to the disgraceful redaction parade ( ) but really are any of the different ? To me it seems that they are all operating on a self serving (access to the club) policy and prioritising that over anything that might help the club rather themselves

Lets not mock the Arsenalisation. It shows the club cares and is in touch with its roots and with the fans. Who can forget that proud day the club brought the clock back into the stadium? Only 4 fucking years after we had moved there!!!

[Herd]

'you might end up like Man United'. Oh the irony if they steal our 4th place. Ferguson departs and they spend one season out of the CL, yet failure to qualify for next years CL will put us in the same predicament. If that happened, Wenger would be more David Moyes than Louis Van Gaal, given LVG would be 2 for 2 in qualifying for the CL and having never dropped out of the top 4, and can match Wengers cup success if they beat Palace at Wembley. Yet astonishingly the initial comparisons were Wenger to Alex Ferguson?????????

Whats fuking wrong with people? Wenger runs a real possibility of having a poorer record than LVG. Yet for some bizarre reason, we are being told to be careful what we wish for????????????????

Im am becoming more perplexed as this fiasco goes on.

Anyone who says ''be careful what you wish for'' in connection with Arsenal is a fucking moron.

Brain of Britain Dion Dublin said it on Football Focus ... and even more recently it was repeated by that loathsome old fucker Mark Lawrenson on the radio. These guys are being paid licence payers money to give their opinions and that's the best they can come up with? What is Lawrenson on at the BBC? £1m a year? And yet when asked about something he is meant to be an expert on, he fucking plays it safe and churns out a tedious old cliche. I could do that and not look anywhere near as hideous as he does with his melting face.

Lawrenson (or 'Lawro' as he is nauseatingly refererred to like he is one of the lads) once did a piece in the Sun or Mirror comparing Sven Goran Eriksson to Chance the Gardner the Peter Sellers character in the film Being There. It probably wasnt Lawro's own own work but basically it was saying Sven was a fraud and people only thought he was intelligent because they were seeing qualities in him that were not there. What really were bland and empty observations were mistaken for insight and profound wisdom.

That is sounding more and more like Wenger to me, although as we all know, Inspector Clouseau remains the most appropriate of Peter Sellers characters to compare with Wenger. A bungling fraud, stumbling his way through a case causing havoc and disaster upon disaster but somehow at the end stumbling on just enough success to still be lauded as a hero by the ignorant masses ... while the only one who knows what he really is ends up going insane trying to prove it.



How many of us here who have wanted Wenger out for years get a twitchy eye when he comes on the screen?

CHANCY KNOWS !

[Redarmy]

I see Wenger has given his opinion on the latest football drugs scandal, telling everyone that football needs to "wake up". Oh the irony..

Always got something to say about EVERYTHING & nothing meaningful or sensible to say about our disgraceful season.

Yeah nothing to say when at the start of the second half Sunderland are tearing in to us...wanker just sits there on his hands....