THE WENGER THREAD

[Bradywasking]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

[BFG4]

Siemone has been manager of Athletico since 2011, and in those 5 years, has already surpassed Wenger in terms of how successful he has been in the competition, having reached his 2nd final. Athletico have a manager who sees his sides limitations as a challenge to be met, in contrast we have a loser managing us, who references qualifying for the competition as success

[Robin_L]

Another league title and another CL semi final defeat to a Spanish team. I wish our groundhog seasons were like Bayern's

This is exactly the stick that Oldham and Rochdale fans use to beat us with, you realise that right?

[Humoresque]

I'm very pissed off at the mo (as you can imagine) and am not really in the mood to discuss AFC or wenker, but let me say this before I stop........the chavs will NOT be back at the top again next season unless they spend major, major money next season - I watched them last night, and granted it was a great comeback, but overall they looked an absolute shambles
Their centre backs are not good enough, mikel is shit, matic's attitude is nothing short of a disgrace and he seems to have totally switched off, the Spanish left full (cant be bothered to research spelling of his name) is brainless and ivanovic also seems to have lost interest or is past it Conte is supposed to be a fierce manager, and given the work he has ahead of him there, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see another player rebellion there when he tries to awaken the interest and bomb out some of their players

not only that but consider he'll be busy with Italy at the Euros and won't have the normal off season to scout and bring in players. I believe it will affect Chel$ki quite a bit.

[Wilson]

How much longer can Wenger hide behind reasons for failure to compete for the big prizes? Leicester City and Tottenham, and Atletico Madrid in Europe have pulled Wenger's pants down. Its a scandal he is the third highest paid manager in Europe. He really is nicking a living.

Anyone ever heard of battered wife syndrome? Well its when a husband abuses his wife and tells her she is useless to the point she starts to believe it, and develops a sense of dependence on her abusive husband.
and

Well over the years, as Wenger has sent the message 'we have no right to win the league', and 'we have no right to expect success', and when we lose agianst top teams, 'Its Chelsea, what did you expect', its Barcelona, what did you expect', 'its Man United, what did you expect'. By doing this, Wenger has battered the confidence of Arsenal fans belief in the club, to the point were many fans genuinely believe we are an average club, and Wenger is all that separates us from mid table. Wenger has created in fans, this irrational sense of dependence on Wenger, which has allowed him to escape criticism for not even competing for major honours over a 10 year period.

Its going to take years to eradicate Wengers 'philosophy' from the club. You hear the likes of Keown talk about the next manager continuing Wenger's 'philosophy'. But for Arsenal to be successful, we need to throw Wenger's philosophy in the bin.

[SPUDMASHER]

Like Ive said 100 times it will be the fans followed by the media that will hit his ego and he wont renew.
This boards self-appointed "devils advocate" can attempt to pour cold water or discredit that all he wants but thats what happens at other clubs and thats what will happen at Arsenal.
The fact that RA and BSM have jumped on the bandwagon and set us back is unfortunate but does not change anything. Their stupid, pathetic attempt will soon be forgotton and the real, honest protesters can get on with it unhindered by publicity seekers and #flipfloppers.

That's a good one!

Can you not see that by marginalizing your group you just make the protest smaller and even less effective than it already is?
The peoples state of Kroenke didn't give a fuck when there were many protestors. They'll give even less of one when you only include the 'real honest protestors'.

Arsenal isn't 'other clubs' and the same methods won't work here. Our owner doesn't give a fuck what we think and knows that we cannot really hurt 'the brand'. The media coverage of the weekends protest was brief and almost jocular. Of course, when change does eventually come you'll all claim to be responsible for forcing it but the reality is that you've got Wenger next season whether you like it or not and there's nothing you can do about it! If he goes at the end of that season it'll be because he has seen out his contract, as he always does, and has decided to leave. It will not be because we don't like him anymore!

there is one thing that could work from a fans perspective. If the team walked out on the pitch to a stadium containing 3000 away fans and nobody else that might have some impact. Do you think that is going to happen?

[xisstential]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

[DB10GOONER]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

And throwing water bottles. Don't forget that. Arsene doesn't get near enough credit for his water bottle throwing accuracy.

[DB10GOONER]

Here's the thing: this thread was started eight years ago. Go back and read the first few posts.

Let that sink in. Fans (and I include myself in this) started suggesting that Wenger needs to be given "one more year" eight years ago.

This whole debate gets diluted when you make it too complex. so let's keep it simple;

If Arsene Wenger had been manager of Leicester City at the start of the season, do you think he would have got them to where they are? If your answer is "yes" you are lying to yourself.

If your answer is "no" then you've arrived at your moment of enlightenment. If he was going to win us the league again he would have done it by now.

So, if we take it that he will not win us the league again, then what is the point of keeping him? Change is needed, but not yet? I do not understand that at all.

Sure, objectively speaking our club is in a good position compared to most others, but don't forget, our fans pay the highest prices in world football. We were promised that our brand new stadium would allow us to compete with Europe's elite.

Does keeping a manager who no longer has what it takes to win the league show a level of ambition that is in proportion with the price of the tickets? Are we really competing with Europe's elite?

Breaking up is hard and oftentimes scary, but the longer we wait to do it, the more of the club's time and the fan's money gets wasted.

Good to see that your posts, whilst not as frequent anymore, are still bang on the money like they used to be

Somewhat sad to see a quality mod like TS rarely post on here anymore, but yet the shit mods like DB10 and flash find the time to post shite all too often

Sorry, man. Didn't understand a word of that. Can you take your sister's cock out of your mouth please?

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

And throwing water bottles. Don't forget that. Arsene doesn't get near enough credit for his water bottle throwing accuracy.

And angry zipping

[DB10GOONER]

Here's the thing: this thread was started eight years ago. Go back and read the first few posts.

Let that sink in. Fans (and I include myself in this) started suggesting that Wenger needs to be given "one more year" eight years ago.

This whole debate gets diluted when you make it too complex. so let's keep it simple;

If Arsene Wenger had been manager of Leicester City at the start of the season, do you think he would have got them to where they are? If your answer is "yes" you are lying to yourself.

If your answer is "no" then you've arrived at your moment of enlightenment. If he was going to win us the league again he would have done it by now.

So, if we take it that he will not win us the league again, then what is the point of keeping him? Change is needed, but not yet? I do not understand that at all.

Sure, objectively speaking our club is in a good position compared to most others, but don't forget, our fans pay the highest prices in world football. We were promised that our brand new stadium would allow us to compete with Europe's elite.

Does keeping a manager who no longer has what it takes to win the league show a level of ambition that is in proportion with the price of the tickets? Are we really competing with Europe's elite?

Breaking up is hard and oftentimes scary, but the longer we wait to do it, the more of the club's time and the fan's money gets wasted.

100% this. Great post TS. Love to see you on here more again, mate.

The bit in red is the most salient point in this whole debate really. How many AKB's would honestly in their heart of hearts think he would have? I'd say very few, if any. The problem though of course is they will never admit that out loud or in public.

[DB10GOONER]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

And throwing water bottles. Don't forget that. Arsene doesn't get near enough credit for his water bottle throwing accuracy.

And angry zipping

Well, in his case, it's more "expected" angry zipping!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

And throwing water bottles. Don't forget that. Arsene doesn't get near enough credit for his water bottle throwing accuracy.

And angry zipping

Well, in his case, it's more "expected" angry zipping!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

There is someone on Twitter saying Simeone's behaviour on the touchline is the exact reason why Arsenal should never hire him..
He may be right, why have a manager that instills fight into their team, instills a winning mentality, who encourages the Supporters to get behind the team, who lives every minute and every emotion of the game, who sets up his team to avoid stupid mistakes and who would die for his players and they for him in return?
Yes why have all that when you have Arsene Wenger and his principals and his desire and focus?

And his scowling and arm waving, berating the ref and screaming at the 4th official when it's all falling apart on the pitch and he doesn't know what to do. But no we don't want Simeone at our club because of his touch line behaviour but we accept Wengers without question. Impervious, untouchable, unaccountable....... Oh, and unsuccessful, that's our Arsene.

And throwing water bottles. Don't forget that. Arsene doesn't get near enough credit for his water bottle throwing accuracy.

And angry zipping

Well, in his case, it's more "expected" angry zipping!

I think I am the expected sex champion on this forum

[Redarmy]

Like Ive said 100 times it will be the fans followed by the media that will hit his ego and he wont renew.
This boards self-appointed "devils advocate" can attempt to pour cold water or discredit that all he wants but thats what happens at other clubs and thats what will happen at Arsenal.
The fact that RA and BSM have jumped on the bandwagon and set us back is unfortunate but does not change anything. Their stupid, pathetic attempt will soon be forgotton and the real, honest protesters can get on with it unhindered by publicity seekers and #flipfloppers.

That's a good one!

Can you not see that by marginalizing your group you just make the protest smaller and even less effective than it already is?
The peoples state of Kroenke didn't give a fuck when there were many protestors. They'll give even less of one when you only include the 'real honest protestors'.

Arsenal isn't 'other clubs' and the same methods won't work here. Our owner doesn't give a fuck what we think and knows that we cannot really hurt 'the brand'. The media coverage of the weekends protest was brief and almost jocular. Of course, when change does eventually come you'll all claim to be responsible for forcing it but the reality is that you've got Wenger next season whether you like it or not and there's nothing you can do about it! If he goes at the end of that season it'll be because he has seen out his contract, as he always does, and has decided to leave. It will not be because we don't like him anymore!

there is one thing that could work from a fans perspective. If the team walked out on the pitch to a stadium containing 3000 away fans and nobody else that might have some impact. Do you think that is going to happen?

Spud masher you got to the real issues mate, its all true and I'm totally gutted by it