THE WENGER THREAD

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"Even the thought of Arsenal offering Arsène Wenger a two-year extension to a contract expiring in the summer of 2017 is as preposterous as it is presumptuous. It is inappropriate. It is insane. He has not earned it. Arsenal are drifting under Wenger, not driving towards glory. This season, Wenger has been outfoxed by Leicester City’s Claudio Ranieri and his 5,000-1 outsiders. He has been overtaken, barring a last-day slip, by a vibrant, well-organised young Tottenham Hotspur side and Mauricio Pochettino, their inspirational head coach. “Arsène Wenger — we want you to stay,” Spurs fans chant gleefully.

Under Wenger, and a compliant board, Arsenal continue to slide, not dangerously enough to slip out of the Champions League positions but still away from the silverware zone. This should have been the season when Arsenal seized their first title since 2004 with their traditional rivals in the Barclays Premier League, Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea, temporarily struggling. Two of those, probably all three, will return next season with strong new managers, with new ambition, and new signings.

Dear old Arsenal begin to resemble one of those upper-class spinsters in the background of a Jane Austen novel, turning increasingly bitter as the years pass, being pushed farther back from the dance floor. Wenger was once the leading pioneer in the dugout, the trophy-gathering perfectionist admired throughout the world. Now he’s not even the most forward-looking manager in north London.

He has nobody to challenge him, to question why he believes Olivier Giroud is a world-class centre forward, even when he himself admits Arsenal have not been “clinical enough” this season. Why doesn’t he have a Plan B? Why don’t his players shoot from outside the box? Why does he let his team overelaborate in build-ups, allowing opponents to organise the barricades?

Wenger has nobody to take him properly to task about recruitment. Where are the real midfield enforcers, especially elegant ones such as Patrick Vieira who could create as well as destroy? Where are the tough defensive leaders such as Tony Adams? It is sad really. There is much to admire about Wenger. There is the dignity (although he is a terrible loser), the willingness to give youth a chance (being rewarded in the excellence of Héctor Bellerín and Alex Iwobi) and his refusal to duck a question at press conferences. His commitment to attacking football should be cherished. But he has forgotten that the game is about trophies. Back-to-back FA Cups in 2014 and 2015 were memorable occasions but the leading honours, the Premier League and the Champions League, remain increasingly distant visions. Arsenal lack the ruthlessness, leadership and tactics to last the course in those.

Leicester are the antithesis of Arsenal; less obsessed with possession, and more with their successful blend of pressing, pace and directness. They look hungrier, fitter and less susceptible to injury. Riyad Mahrez, the PFA Player of the Year, and N’Golo Kanté, the Leicester players’ Player of the Year, are from the French heartlands that Wenger used to plunder.

During a long interview with Geoff Shreeves, the Sky Sports reporter, Wenger praised Leicester for their title triumph but pointed out that they would be exhausted next season with their pressing style and increased fixture workload. Yet Ranieri will strengthen his squad. Ranieri has been rewarded so handsomely this season because he has delivered wildly above expectations. If anybody deserves a handsome new contract, it is Ranieri (who is in talks with his club’s owners). Wenger doesn’t deserve one but the board is passive. Arsenal’s structure and philosophy is flawed. Wenger helped appoint his supposed boss, the chief executive, Ivan Gazidis. Under Stan Kroenke, the owner, the club’s business model appears focused simply on Champions League football. Arsenal do not need to be at the front of the Champions League gravy train as long as they are on it. The essence of sport, winning, has become secondary. A runner-up culture pervades.

They don’t fight hard enough. On January 2, Arsenal defeated Newcastle United 1-0 at home to move two points clear of Leicester at the top. Having taken 42 points from 20 games, Arsenal then faltered, and have since picked up 26 points from 17 matches. When the pressure was most intense, Arsenal faded. Leicester stood strong. Even the possibility of Wenger extending his stay will infuriate substantial sections of an Emirates Stadium simmering with an air of incipient civil war. Support is split over “Wenger out” and “Wenger knows best”, “in Arsène we trust” and “in Wenger we rust”. Perspective is required over the extent of the dissent towards the manager that all accept is the greatest in the club’s 130-year history. Two fans in dispute over a banner will inevitably be captured by the cameras, run on rolling news and debated on phone-ins, giving an impression that the tensions are rife.

Even those of us outsiders who believe Wenger should have gone years ago must acknowledge that the majority of Arsenal fans do not favour a change, partly out of blind loyalty and partly because they cannot summon up a better alternative (although Ronald Koeman looks a good fit).
Some apathy was reflected in the number of empty seats in the previous home game against Norwich City but the anticipated protest was a damp squib. Today’s news of a contract offer may focus minds, probably polarising the support even more. A great club risk becoming even more divided"

One of the best non-biased , well balanced and utterly honest, expansive pieces of journalism regarding Arsenal and Wencunt in many a year....I hope some one gives it to wenker to read with his morning coffee and croissants the C.U.N.T

ps: Any Gooner on here who goes on Twitter should send Henry Winter BIG "Thank-You" for a most excellent piece of written journalism. :high5:

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OneBardGooner wrote:
ps: Any Gooner on here who goes on Twitter should send Henry Winter BIG "Thank-You" for a most excellent piece of written journalism. :high5:
ive done just that

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xgtdec wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:
ps: Any Gooner on here who goes on Twitter should send Henry Winter BIG "Thank-You" for a most excellent piece of written journalism. :high5:
ive done just that


All well and good, but maybe ask him why he doesn't question wenker properly in the press conferences ? Ask him if banning Jacqui oatley fits in with his belief that wenger is always willing to face journo's ?

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augie wrote:
xgtdec wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:
ps: Any Gooner on here who goes on Twitter should send Henry Winter BIG "Thank-You" for a most excellent piece of written journalism. :high5:
ive done just that


All well and good, but maybe ask him why he doesn't question wenker properly in the press conferences ? Ask him if banning Jacqui oatley fits in with his belief that wenger is always willing to face journo's ?
Can i get you coffee and a doughnut while im doing that?? :D :D

but seriously cant agree with you more...its amazing how quiet Amy Wenger goes when you send her an awkward question....i wonder if Winter has attended his last press conference?

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I am sure the contract is there waiting to be signed but it's significant that he's not done it immediately. Even he isn't completely unaware of the dissent against his rule, so, like the politician that he is, he's waiting for an opportune moment to do it.

What do we reckon? The end of October, when we've rolled over West Brom, Burnley, Sunderland and CSKA Ruritania in successive matches and have gone top of the league, suddenly Wenger will smugly announce that he's "proved the critics wrong" and sign the extension, just in time for our usual Black November, which will feature grisly away defeats at Middlesbrough and Southampton.

Or maybe after a pathetically middling season, we'll go on a late run and clinch top 4 and then the contract will be signed.

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Ok lets put it in perspective....

Protests and dissent -
This forum is not representative of the larger Arsenal fanbase the great majority still back Wenger and strongly, no reason to suggest that will change next season
The Club is organised against protest, stifling it at the Emirates sending stewards to confiscate banners, lawful protesters getting attacked and ejected from the ground, i believe they have also manufactured there own banners which were on show at Citys ground
The media makes a mockery of any protest from Arsenal fans, general view being of spoilt brats, who do they think they are...etc

New contract -
There will be a new contract to sign it will be up to him if he signs it, in his own words as quoted
“I have to forget about myself even if people who want to create unrest don’t. I will continue to give my absolute best to do well next season and then after that, we’ll see.”

Sorry guys i know we like to feel posts on here are relevant and are a forum to vent feelings at the end of the day nothing will change

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Redarmy wrote:Ok lets put it in perspective....

Protests and dissent -
This forum is not representative of the larger Arsenal fanbase the great majority still back Wenger and strongly, no reason to suggest that will change next season
The Club is organised against protest, stifling it at the Emirates sending stewards to confiscate banners, lawful protesters getting attacked and ejected from the ground, i believe they have also manufactured there own banners which were on show at Citys ground
The media makes a mockery of any protest from Arsenal fans, general view being of spoilt brats, who do they think they are...etc

New contract -
There will be a new contract to sign it will be up to him if he signs it, in his own words as quoted
“I have to forget about myself even if people who want to create unrest don’t. I will continue to give my absolute best to do well next season and then after that, we’ll see.”

Sorry guys i know we like to feel posts on here are relevant and are a forum to vent feelings at the end of the day nothing will change



No way do I agree that the majority still back wenger - I will agree that the majority wont protest against him and I will also argue that those attending games are only a small percentage of the Arsenal fanbase, but I do believe that the majority want him gone now and that even most of those that are willing to let him see out his final year wont want him to get an extension.
If you believe that the club are stifling the protest, then is it possible/probable that they are placing their own fans at the matches to chant FOR wenker ? If so then how can anyone do an accurate assessment of who wants what at the matches ?

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Wenger must hope England win the Euros, then amid all the euphoria he will quietly sign a five year extention.

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From the DM.....

Arsene Wenger says he will wait until late next season before deciding whether to extend his stay at Arsenal.

The Frenchman - now in his 20th year at the club - will enter the final 12 months of his contract this summer.

Majority shareholder Stan Kroenke would be happy for Wenger to sign a contract extension despite the growing supporter unrest towards the manager.

And the Gunners boss claims he will not discuss a new deal until the start of 2017 at the earliest.

‘There will be no talks until next season, I will wait very late.

‘It’s not about me, it’s about the club. My role is just to serve the club as well as I can and after see where I stand and where the club is.

I have to forget about myself even if people who want to create unrest don’t. I will continue to give my absolute best to do well next season and then after that, we’ll see.

‘My appetite is stronger than ever. I believe I am a professional man who respects his contract and stays until the end, whether it is one year or two years or three years – that doesn’t change.

Even if I decide in January that I will not extend my contract, that will not affect my attitude.

‘It can affect the players, but the players are like me – they are professional.

‘We want to be committed. When you are a professional, you sign a contract, you never know. To be professional is to give your best as long as you have the contract.

‘If it is for one penny or £200million, it is exactly the same. When I sign a contract and I agree the money that I work for, I will give my best until the last minute of the season.

‘And I never re-negotiated any contract that I signed because that is the way I have behaved my whole life.’



Me, me, me, I this, I that, ........... " It's not about me it's about the club" The only problem with that seemingly modest statement is that you think you are the club. And if he doesn't renew in January it won't affect his attitude but it can affect the players. So there we have a veiled threat, if we are competing and January comes and I don't renew the wheels will fall off. You mean as opposed to like normal which is in February??

A ghastly, totally shameless man.

And how's that for a fuck you from Kroenke?? So the fans are unhappy, so what....... We're making money aren't we??

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augie wrote:
Redarmy wrote:Ok lets put it in perspective....

Protests and dissent -
This forum is not representative of the larger Arsenal fanbase the great majority still back Wenger and strongly, no reason to suggest that will change next season
The Club is organised against protest, stifling it at the Emirates sending stewards to confiscate banners, lawful protesters getting attacked and ejected from the ground, i believe they have also manufactured there own banners which were on show at Citys ground
The media makes a mockery of any protest from Arsenal fans, general view being of spoilt brats, who do they think they are...etc

New contract -
There will be a new contract to sign it will be up to him if he signs it, in his own words as quoted
“I have to forget about myself even if people who want to create unrest don’t. I will continue to give my absolute best to do well next season and then after that, we’ll see.”

Sorry guys i know we like to feel posts on here are relevant and are a forum to vent feelings at the end of the day nothing will change



No way do I agree that the majority still back wenger - I will agree that the majority wont protest against him and I will also argue that those attending games are only a small percentage of the Arsenal fanbase, but I do believe that the majority want him gone now and that even most of those that are willing to let him see out his final year wont want him to get an extension.
If you believe that the club are stifling the protest, then is it possible/probable that they are placing their own fans at the matches to chant FOR wenker ? If so then how can anyone do an accurate assessment of who wants what at the matches ?
Thats just the way i see it, think the club are organised and resistant to change probably unlike most other Premiership clubs, of course still praying he does go, suppose continued unrest will help in that but to what effect?

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This is how the greedy man operates. He has done it before. Leave the contract signing till late, drop a few hints about maybe it's time to move on, there are other offers etc etc and BINGO.......his new contract is suddenly worth a couple more million a year. Do not underestimate the greed of Mr Wonga, of course the contract is there, of course it will be signed, but only when he has become the highest paid manager in the world.
Just think about that for a second.......what does he do to earn it? :shock:

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TeeCee wrote:This is how the greedy man operates. He has done it before. Leave the contract signing till late, drop a few hints about maybe it's time to move on, there are other offers etc etc and BINGO.......his new contract is suddenly worth a couple more million a year. Do not underestimate the greed of Mr Wonga, of course the contract is there, of course it will be signed, but only when he has become the highest paid manager in the world.
Just think about that for a second.......what does he do to earn it? :shock:
Absolutely right, mate. Every contract extension he's ever signed has had this nonsense associated with it. All this I won't sign until... bollox. It's all an ego and power thing. He wants to have the board fawn over him and inflate his ego. If he actually did put the club first, he'd just fuck off. Like his tactics and general management, he's done this all before and everyone's bored of it.

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Perryashburtongroves wrote:
TeeCee wrote:This is how the greedy man operates. He has done it before. Leave the contract signing till late, drop a few hints about maybe it's time to move on, there are other offers etc etc and BINGO.......his new contract is suddenly worth a couple more million a year. Do not underestimate the greed of Mr Wonga, of course the contract is there, of course it will be signed, but only when he has become the highest paid manager in the world.
Just think about that for a second.......what does he do to earn it? :shock:
Absolutely right, mate. Every contract extension he's ever signed has had this nonsense associated with it. All this I won't sign until... bollox. It's all an ego and power thing. He wants to have the board fawn over him and inflate his ego. If he actually did put the club first, he'd just fuck off. Like his tactics and general management, he's done this all before and everyone's bored of it.
Not everyone though is it?? It is staggering that people can still be duped by the man, it's mind numbing.

How does the saying go.... "Fool me once,shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". So what are you if somebody fools you in the same way 6 or 7 times??

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I don't believe that the vast majority of home-going fans are actually fierce AKBs by any stretch.

I think that the majority of fans are sadly pretty ambivalent to whether he should stay or go, and have lost sight of the wood for the trees as success is now a distant third in terms of importance to protecting Wenger's feelings and some misperceived notions of 'class'.

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