The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[DB10GOONER]

Have we gone yet?

Euro 2016 or Europe?






Sorry sorry - someone had to!!

[Herd]

The worst part of all this is that I've had Roxy Musics "Song for Europe" whizzing round my tiny brain and every now and then my colleagues get startled when I burst out with "Jamais" !
This led to a Roxy music fest in the Herd Household Sundaay morning that forced the missus and baby herd into going to church !
I should see a doctor!

[augie]

So here we are now. We are a rudderless ship drifting aimlessly whilst the leader who claimed that he would not resign has taken his ball home and left us in limbo. It appears that Osborne is not about to levy his retribution budget and Cameron is allowing things to turn for the worse to make it as bad as possible for the next man to have to sort.

Cameron, like all politicians is a self serving cynical me-first cúnt. If Brexit works he can come out of it as the decent honest man of integrity with "Hey, I tried and the country voted against me, so I did the honorable thing and fell on my sword". If Brexit goes tits up then it's Boris (you all know he's your next PM :suicide ) that has to deal with the shit and will be fucked within a year.

To be fair to Cameron I think he had to resign - whatever hope the brexit has of working, it needs someone in charge who 100% believes it is the way to go and is willing to drive it on. Who can Cameron sell brexit to the 48% when they know he doesn't believe it himself ? If you were in his position would you implement changes that you felt were going to have a negative impact on the country and it's citizens ?
As well as that I think for his own sake he was right to go - if he believes that brexit will be a disaster, why should he be associated with it's failure ? This wasn't his decision and he is 100% right to turn around and tell boris Johnson, "you wanted this so now you try and make it work" - expecting Cameron to be linked in any way to a collapse (if that is what happens) is ridiculous but boris Johnson wants this brexit but expects somebody to put their head on a block and make it work

I'm a civil servant augie - half of my job is implementing policies I fundamentally do not agree with. But if you live in a democracy you implement the policy of the democratically elected government.

The difference is that he is meant to draft these policies and if they fail it will be him that takes the blame - you on the other hand, being a civil servant you will be able to come in when you want, do as little as you want, take as many sick (injury) days as you want, and still be Teflon when the shit hits the fan

[DB10GOONER]

So here we are now. We are a rudderless ship drifting aimlessly whilst the leader who claimed that he would not resign has taken his ball home and left us in limbo. It appears that Osborne is not about to levy his retribution budget and Cameron is allowing things to turn for the worse to make it as bad as possible for the next man to have to sort.

Cameron, like all politicians is a self serving cynical me-first cúnt. If Brexit works he can come out of it as the decent honest man of integrity with "Hey, I tried and the country voted against me, so I did the honorable thing and fell on my sword". If Brexit goes tits up then it's Boris (you all know he's your next PM :suicide ) that has to deal with the shit and will be fucked within a year.

To be fair to Cameron I think he had to resign - whatever hope the brexit has of working, it needs someone in charge who 100% believes it is the way to go and is willing to drive it on. Who can Cameron sell brexit to the 48% when they know he doesn't believe it himself ? If you were in his position would you implement changes that you felt were going to have a negative impact on the country and it's citizens ?
As well as that I think for his own sake he was right to go - if he believes that brexit will be a disaster, why should he be associated with it's failure ? This wasn't his decision and he is 100% right to turn around and tell boris Johnson, "you wanted this so now you try and make it work" - expecting Cameron to be linked in any way to a collapse (if that is what happens) is ridiculous but boris Johnson wants this brexit but expects somebody to put their head on a block and make it work

I'm a civil servant augie - half of my job is implementing policies I fundamentally do not agree with. But if you live in a democracy you implement the policy of the democratically elected government.

The difference is that he is meant to draft these policies and if they fail it will be him that takes the blame - you on the other hand, being a civil servant you will be able to come in when you want, do as little as you want, take as many sick (injury) days as you want, and still be Teflon when the shit hits the fan

Harsh. But fair.






(I wish).

[flash gunner]

Brexit will win and all will be Rosy in the Farage garden

[KaQaK]

Reading through the comments I understand that u r more worried abut EURO 2016 than Brexit.
Probably u were impressed by the small unknown nations, by their effort and commitment to their national team! Being beaten from a 600000 nation, and you all fell humiliated. You shouldn't! Haven't u noticed Iceland team is 100% Icelandic, they have no foreigners in there. It's a completely different for other teams who have more foreigners playing in their national teams (there is no effort, no commitment).
Someone mentioned the Albanian team effort, they are all pure Albanians, there is no foreigners in there (If only we had all Albanians that play across Europe countries ). When we lost from France, we were not angry, we felt proud, we managed to deal with a team that is made from 1.8 billion in comparison we are 5 million. To me it dos not make any sense, that's not France team. I want give 100% effort for no other country but Albania, not even Kosovo. Because I am an Albanian by blood line, that's the flag I fought for, and I will die for, any time, any place, anywhere. Don't misunderstand me, national team should be made by nation, not by foreigners. Otherwise don't call them national teams, call them territorial...

[DB10GOONER]

Reading through the comments I understand that u r more worried abut EURO 2016 than Brexit.
Probably u were impressed by the small unknown nations, by their effort and commitment to their national team! Being beaten from a 600000 nation, and you all fell humiliated. You shouldn't! Haven't u noticed Iceland team is 100% Icelandic, they have no foreigners in there. It's a completely different for other teams who have more foreigners playing in their national teams (there is no effort, no commitment).
Someone mentioned the Albanian team effort, they are all pure Albanians, there is no foreigners in there (If only we had all Albanians that play across Europe countries ). When we lost from France, we were not angry, we felt proud, we managed to deal with a team that is made from 1.8 billion in comparison we are 5 million. To me it dos not make any sense, that's not France team. I want give 100% effort for no other country but Albania, not even Kosovo. Because I am an Albanian by blood line, that's the flag I fought for, and I will die for, any time, any place, anywhere. Don't misunderstand me, national team should be made by nation, not by foreigners. Otherwise don't call them national teams, call them territorial...

Sorry mate, I might be mis-reading you - but who on the France team is a "foreigner"? Who is not French there?

[DB10GOONER]

As I thought would happen, your credit score/rating has been downgraded;

http://www.independent.ie/business/brex ... 39430.html

What long term affect this has on investment is very unpredictable obviously, but if I was an American, or Chinese, or Australian, or European company owner with fuckloads to invest, I'd be very reluctant to now do it in Britain...

[the playing mantis]

As I thought would happen, your credit score/rating has been downgraded;

http://www.independent.ie/business/brex ... 39430.html

What long term affect this has on investment is very unpredictable obviously, but if I was an American, or Chinese, or Australian, or European company owner with fuckloads to invest, I'd be very reluctant to now do it in Britain...

what's happening to the yield on gilts?

[Chippy]

Hypocritical evil cnuts, and loads more reports of racist abuse and attacks today.

[Nos89]

As I thought would happen, your credit score/rating has been downgraded;

http://www.independent.ie/business/brex ... 39430.html

What long term affect this has on investment is very unpredictable obviously, but if I was an American, or Chinese, or Australian, or European company owner with fuckloads to invest, I'd be very reluctant to now do it in Britain...

It's already bouncing back. It seems those two firms shot their bolts too early. We haven't left yet. If anything, if an American firm wanted to trade with the UK now would be an ideal time as the £ v $ is in their favour for the first time in 31 years.

[the playing mantis]

Hypocritical evil cnuts, and loads more reports of racist abuse and attacks today.

yep cos that kind of thing never happened before..and people arnt simply using what did to suit their own agendas. especially now people have realised the fall of the ftse and sterling were a only so big as they inexplicable climbed the week before the vote and have now rallied as was always the case. Yes they will fluctuate and when they do drop that will be posted here no doubt but the bounce won't.

wonder when the buthurt will end.

[Chippy]

The pound is still at its lowest against the dollar for over 30 years. How is that a bounce back?

[GoonerMuzz]

Nice to see the EU already dictating that if we still want to trade with them then we have to accept freedom of movement, just like the Americans, Japanese, Russians. Chinese, India do.... oh wait

Try telling me again that the EU isn't a self serving dictatorship.

Oh and as for the racism thing, aren't the EU rules on freedom of movement inherently racist by allowing freedom of movement within it's borders but enforcing strict immigration rules on those from without? Double standards i feel....

[DB10GOONER]

As I thought would happen, your credit score/rating has been downgraded;

http://www.independent.ie/business/brex ... 39430.html

What long term affect this has on investment is very unpredictable obviously, but if I was an American, or Chinese, or Australian, or European company owner with fuckloads to invest, I'd be very reluctant to now do it in Britain...

It's already bouncing back. It seems those two firms shot their bolts too early. We haven't left yet. If anything, if an American firm wanted to trade with the UK now would be an ideal time as the £ v $ is in their favour for the first time in 31 years.

The problem is though that significant investors don't look at the short term. Short term fall and bounce back don't affect investment. Doubt affects confidence, confidence affects investment. Not for a minute saying that the Brits won't make a go of it, but you will need to demonstrate for a considerable period that you are now not a risk to both retain and attract investors.

What I find amusing in this whole debate is that so many amateur economists (on both sides) on here are absolutely entrenched in their own vierwpoint of how this will turn out - and there is not one of us that KNOWS for a fact how it will turn out. So many factors will affect this; confidence for investors, strong pragmatic leadership, budget decisions, competition with a huge entity like the EU to attract foreign investment, the possibility of pissy "vengeful" legislation from your erstwhile colleagues in the EU (who seem to be offended by your self-determination).

Add to this that your already creaking public service has now been cut off from the EU. Thought provoking read here;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ces-survey

And yes it is an opinion piece but the references to the NHS and security sector are interesting. TBH I've always been a bit of a Euro skeptic and would love to see Brexit work, but I'm not entrenched in my views - I can see the benefits and the drawbacks for Ireland's EU membership and for me it is a balancing act between the benefits outweighing the drawbacks. And whether they always do is very debatable.