The ONLY Euro 2016 thread

[GoonerMuzz]

As noted above English football is living in the past.

The whole structure needs changing root and branch from grass roots all the way to the top of the FA but the dinosaurs will never change as we are the FA, we are the oldest association in the world and know better than all these young upstarts out there

The attitude of club before country is so prevalent these days, it's not just amongst the players either us fans are guilty of it too, look at the comments on here every time the interlull happens.

Part of the problem for England comes from the fact they never seem to face difficult qualifying groups and unfortunately friendlies against top teams do not prepare you for the intensity of tournament group stages.

I know this will be disputed but i really feel that we have no where near enough English players in leagues overseas, we might have the 'best' and most entertaining league out there but i agree with those saying we are not technically as good as other teams and nor do we have the right mindset, our best players rarely have to face real competition for places in their club teams and even when they do they are still picked for the national squad.

The defeat did not surprise me if i'm honest the past record in knockout stages should have been more than enough warning

[DB10GOONER]

There isn't a need for a great dissection of what went wrong. Simply, wrong players in wrong system, with the wrong manager. English players are as good as any in Europe, they just can't take the pressure of playing for England in tournament football. More need to play abroad.

No I'm not having that - rooney letting a ball run under his foot, kane taking a free kick that was nearer to the corner flag than the goals, rooney crossing a ball that lands haly way up into the stand, hart letting in a soft daisy cutter..........these are all basic stupid mistakes that cannot be attributed to the manager and it bears out what I said about how the players are every bit (or more) culpable as the manager.

What I will agree with is your point that English players cannot handle pressure and how they should try playing abroad as well - not handling the pressure baffles me because engerland, for a country of it's size, has no real tradition of winning so where does the pressure stem from ?

Stupid mistakes that were happening towards the end of the match when the pressure was on to score and those players simply couldn't handle it and made those silly mistakes.
I'd like to know which footballs they were training with as every cross and free kick was overhit against both Slovakia and Iceland.

Now it's the footballs fault??? I'm sorry, but can you not see that it is down to poor technical ability? Why were those same footballs not continuously over hit by the Germans, Spanish, French and Italians? One of the things that amazes me in the PL every single week is the amount of times a FB or winger cannot get the football over the first defender or whams it straight over everybody into touch on the far side. That is not the football - it is the footballer.

[augie]

There isn't a need for a great dissection of what went wrong. Simply, wrong players in wrong system, with the wrong manager. English players are as good as any in Europe, they just can't take the pressure of playing for England in tournament football. More need to play abroad.

No I'm not having that - rooney letting a ball run under his foot, kane taking a free kick that was nearer to the corner flag than the goals, rooney crossing a ball that lands haly way up into the stand, hart letting in a soft daisy cutter..........these are all basic stupid mistakes that cannot be attributed to the manager and it bears out what I said about how the players are every bit (or more) culpable as the manager.

What I will agree with is your point that English players cannot handle pressure and how they should try playing abroad as well - not handling the pressure baffles me because engerland, for a country of it's size, has no real tradition of winning so where does the pressure stem from ?

Stupid mistakes that were happening towards the end of the match when the pressure was on to score and those players simply couldn't handle it and made those silly mistakes.
I'd like to know which footballs they were training with as every cross and free kick was overhit against both Slovakia and Iceland.

Now it's the footballs fault??? I'm sorry, but can you not see that it is down to poor technical ability? Why were those same footballs not continuously over hit by the Germans, Spanish, French and Italians? One of the things that amazes me in the PL every single week is the amount of times a FB or winger cannot get the football over the first defender or whams it straight over everybody into touch on the far side. That is not the football - it is the footballer.

Some of the corners are the absolute worst - if you have a *word censored* taking a corner and he still cant clear the opposition player standing between the corner of 6 yard box and edge of the area (and bearing in mind that the guy is not under pressure from a defender when taking the kick) then that c.unt should be forced to stay behind and practice corners for an hour every single day on his own GG would be absolutely fcuking mental if it was happening when he was in charge

[DB10GOONER]

There isn't a need for a great dissection of what went wrong. Simply, wrong players in wrong system, with the wrong manager. English players are as good as any in Europe, they just can't take the pressure of playing for England in tournament football. More need to play abroad.

No I'm not having that - rooney letting a ball run under his foot, kane taking a free kick that was nearer to the corner flag than the goals, rooney crossing a ball that lands haly way up into the stand, hart letting in a soft daisy cutter..........these are all basic stupid mistakes that cannot be attributed to the manager and it bears out what I said about how the players are every bit (or more) culpable as the manager.

What I will agree with is your point that English players cannot handle pressure and how they should try playing abroad as well - not handling the pressure baffles me because engerland, for a country of it's size, has no real tradition of winning so where does the pressure stem from ?

Stupid mistakes that were happening towards the end of the match when the pressure was on to score and those players simply couldn't handle it and made those silly mistakes.
I'd like to know which footballs they were training with as every cross and free kick was overhit against both Slovakia and Iceland.

Now it's the footballs fault??? I'm sorry, but can you not see that it is down to poor technical ability? Why were those same footballs not continuously over hit by the Germans, Spanish, French and Italians? One of the things that amazes me in the PL every single week is the amount of times a FB or winger cannot get the football over the first defender or whams it straight over everybody into touch on the far side. That is not the football - it is the footballer.

Some of the corners are the absolute worst - if you have a *word censored* taking a corner and he still cant clear the opposition player standing between the corner of 6 yard box and edge of the area (and bearing in mind that the guy is not under pressure from a defender when taking the kick) then that c.unt should be forced to stay behind and practice corners for an hour every single day on his own GG would be absolutely fcuking mental if it was happening when he was in charge

100%. I mean, dear Christ, it is a basic skill.

If my kid took corners or freekicks like most PL players do I'd be making him practice them every day.

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

I thought Carragher got it spot on in Daily Mail column. Sorry for not having the link but check it out.

[arseofacrow]

You mean the German league where they have one super club that wins everything every year? Or the Spanish league which has been a duopoly for fuck knows how long. Or the Italian league which has been shite for the best part of a decade playing to half empty stadiums?

The PL is the best league in terms of entertainment and general quality of football. Just because the top 3 clubs in the world have the best players does not make their respective leagues any better. Barca and Madrid tonk league teams 6,7,8 nil every other weekend. Munich do the same in theirs. Both leagues are piss poor.

We lost due to poor coaching and tactics, that simple. Any half decent manager could have beaten Iceland with that squad last night, but Hodgson isn't one.

How much German football do you watch?

A fair bit. It's mostly shite and tedious to watch. Serie A is much worse, though.

Well, you're wrong. Sorry about that. It happens.

[Nos89]

There isn't a need for a great dissection of what went wrong. Simply, wrong players in wrong system, with the wrong manager. English players are as good as any in Europe, they just can't take the pressure of playing for England in tournament football. More need to play abroad.

No I'm not having that - rooney letting a ball run under his foot, kane taking a free kick that was nearer to the corner flag than the goals, rooney crossing a ball that lands haly way up into the stand, hart letting in a soft daisy cutter..........these are all basic stupid mistakes that cannot be attributed to the manager and it bears out what I said about how the players are every bit (or more) culpable as the manager.

What I will agree with is your point that English players cannot handle pressure and how they should try playing abroad as well - not handling the pressure baffles me because engerland, for a country of it's size, has no real tradition of winning so where does the pressure stem from ?

Stupid mistakes that were happening towards the end of the match when the pressure was on to score and those players simply couldn't handle it and made those silly mistakes.
I'd like to know which footballs they were training with as every cross and free kick was overhit against both Slovakia and Iceland.

Now it's the footballs fault??? I'm sorry, but can you not see that it is down to poor technical ability? Why were those same footballs not continuously over hit by the Germans, Spanish, French and Italians? One of the things that amazes me in the PL every single week is the amount of times a FB or winger cannot get the football over the first defender or whams it straight over everybody into touch on the far side. That is not the football - it is the footballer.

Maybe they were using the same balls in training . England must have been using the ones left there from World Cup '98.
They seem to be able to do it in the PL?
Looking forward to the quarters.

[MrT]

You mean the German league where they have one super club that wins everything every year? Or the Spanish league which has been a duopoly for fuck knows how long. Or the Italian league which has been shite for the best part of a decade playing to half empty stadiums?

The PL is the best league in terms of entertainment and general quality of football. Just because the top 3 clubs in the world have the best players does not make their respective leagues any better. Barca and Madrid tonk league teams 6,7,8 nil every other weekend. Munich do the same in theirs. Both leagues are piss poor.

We lost due to poor coaching and tactics, that simple. Any half decent manager could have beaten Iceland with that squad last night, but Hodgson isn't one.

How much German football do you watch?

A fair bit. It's mostly shite and tedious to watch. Serie A is much worse, though.

Well, you're wrong. Sorry about that. It happens.

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[Henry Norris 1913]

the only thing i've learnt from the euros is harry kane should definitely take all set pieces for the scum

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

1st, I've heard Klinsman being suggested as the next England manager. LOL. Have fun with that. I hope it's true.
2nd, it's a myth that La Liga has 2 giants and the rest get beat 7-0. There's Atletico, Sevilla, Valencia and Villarreal who are regularly all competing to the end of the Europa League (or Champion's League in Atletico's case). Those teams are just as good if not better than the Liverpool's, Totnums, Everton's of the world who finish behind the big boys. And the EPL big teams are so bad nowadays that it's a joke to compare them to Barca or Real. I LOVE the Prem, it's my favorite league of any sports league. But let's dispell the myth that La Liga isn't MUCH better right now.

[arseofacrow]

You mean the German league where they have one super club that wins everything every year? Or the Spanish league which has been a duopoly for fuck knows how long. Or the Italian league which has been shite for the best part of a decade playing to half empty stadiums?

The PL is the best league in terms of entertainment and general quality of football. Just because the top 3 clubs in the world have the best players does not make their respective leagues any better. Barca and Madrid tonk league teams 6,7,8 nil every other weekend. Munich do the same in theirs. Both leagues are piss poor.

We lost due to poor coaching and tactics, that simple. Any half decent manager could have beaten Iceland with that squad last night, but Hodgson isn't one.

How much German football do you watch?

A fair bit. It's mostly shite and tedious to watch. Serie A is much worse, though.

Well, you're wrong. Sorry about that. It happens.

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Only I'm slightly more informed about the Bundesliga and German football in general than you are. Thus, my logic tells me I'm right.

[Peeman]

The Suns Dreamteam ratings from the other night


Hart 5, Cahill 7, Rose 6, Smalling 7, Walker 7, Alli 7, Dier 6, Rooney 8, Kane 7, Sterling 6, Sturridge 6. Subs Rashford 5, Vardy 6, Wilshere 7.

Halldorsson 6, Arnason 6, Saevarsson 6, Sigurdsson 8, Skulason 7, Bjarnason 6, Gudmundsson 7, Gunnarsson 6, Sigurdsson 6, Bodvarsson 7, Sigthorsson 7. Subs Bjarnason 5, Traustason 6.

[northbank123]

Rooney 8? Plonking the bloke in the middle of the team is the biggest problem England have had this tournament - every single play goes through him which means that England played at snails pace and made it too easy for teams putting men behind the ball. He performed pretty well individually first two games but was garbage by any measure on Monday.

Mark Sampson is the most successful senior England manager alive might be worth a punt at 100-1. Think Eddie Howe would get my vote though.

[northbank123]

Also Rashford 5 has to be a joke? Did more in 5 mins than the rest of the team did in 85!

[arseofacrow]

Wales to finalise the Brexit a week on.