THE WENGER THREAD

[Wilson]

Jose hates how Wenger is referred to as one of the elite managers without the expectation. Ive always said it, if you justify Wenger's inability to compete with one of the biggest clubs in England and Europe (which we are), then you are making excuses for him, and then you have no right to at the same time, rate him as a top manager.

When Jose attacks Wenger, we should take it as a compliment, as he is viewing Arsenal's capabilities and sqaud as strong enough to win. Yet he is mystified as to why so many continue to back Wenger despite not having any expectations of him.

No matter where Jose goes, he is expected to finish 1st, and he does half the time, and the other half - he gets sacked or heavily criticized. Thats the high expectations Jose lives by. Whilst Wenger can go over a decade dragging his heels in 4th place without any repercussions or criticism.

[DB10GOONER]

Jose hates how Wenger is referred to as one of the elite managers without the expectation. Ive always said it, if you justify Wenger's inability to compete with one of the biggest clubs in England and Europe (which we are), then you are making excuses for him, and then you have no right to at the same time, rate him as a top manager.

When Jose attacks Wenger, we should take it as a compliment, as he is viewing Arsenal's capabilities and sqaud as strong enough to win. Yet he is mystified as to why so many continue to back Wenger despite not having any expectations of him.

No matter where Jose goes, he is expected to finish 1st, and he does half the time, and the other half - he gets sacked or heavily criticized. Thats the high expectations Jose lives by. Whilst Wenger can go over a decade dragging his heels in 4th place without any repercussions or criticism.

I'm sorry but bit in red that is borderline delusional. The rest of your post is bang on the money, but Moron-hio's motivation for disliking or insulting Wenger has nothing to do with The Arsenal, and everything to do with his ego being offended by the media love-in with Wenger rather than him.

[augie]

I'd take Maureen over wenger all day long......while Maureen is busy planning the season and his squad

We get wengers views on Brexit

http://www.football365.com/news/wenger- ... ier-league

Maureen is a winner....le fraud is not....

Moron-hio would win nothing at Arsenal. He would not get the money he would need from Kroenke.

And this will be a problem for whoever replaces Wenger. Kroenke will not invest serious money in rebuilding the team.

You honestly don't think that moaninho (or any of the top managers around) would have won the league last season with the squad wenker had at his disposal ?? Any half decent tactically astute chimp could have managed our team to win the league last season, but yet we got the old senile crunt who doesn't know the first thing about tactics nor how to motivate his players I would actually not only refer to last season, because there has been at least 2 seasons in the last few years where we could have won the league had we an ambitious manager who was willing to bring in just 1 quality player in January - but of course we didn't cos the arrogant prik thinks that he knows best and refused to recognise the obvious

Never said that, augie. ANYONE could have won that PL last season. My point is that was a one-off. Forget last season. This coming season will be very very different. Our current squad are no where near good enough to compete with the likes of Citeh, chavs, and Manure with new managers and (by August 30th) many new and better players. For regular sustained success (even for Moron-hio's usual 2-3 year tenures) Moron-hio would need to buy in top players, and pay them top wages and he would expect to do it every season. There is no way Mediocrity Stan would give him those type of funds.

This goes back to the whole question about just getting rid of Wenger. For me Wenger going is the priority, but we also need to get rid of rotten shit like Kroenke and Gazidis or any Wenger replacement will be fighting an uphill battle.

You did say that buddy - you actually said moaninho would win nothing at AFC, and I merely pointed out that in at least 3 seasons in the past decade he would have won the league with the squads and money that were available to wenger
Of course going forward you are 100% right, but that applies to not just moaninho - wenker has now run down our squad so badly that it does require significant investment, and no manager in the world will win with this current squad

[DB10GOONER]

I'd take Maureen over wenger all day long......while Maureen is busy planning the season and his squad

We get wengers views on Brexit

http://www.football365.com/news/wenger- ... ier-league

Maureen is a winner....le fraud is not....

Moron-hio would win nothing at Arsenal. He would not get the money he would need from Kroenke.

And this will be a problem for whoever replaces Wenger. Kroenke will not invest serious money in rebuilding the team.

You honestly don't think that moaninho (or any of the top managers around) would have won the league last season with the squad wenker had at his disposal ?? Any half decent tactically astute chimp could have managed our team to win the league last season, but yet we got the old senile crunt who doesn't know the first thing about tactics nor how to motivate his players I would actually not only refer to last season, because there has been at least 2 seasons in the last few years where we could have won the league had we an ambitious manager who was willing to bring in just 1 quality player in January - but of course we didn't cos the arrogant prik thinks that he knows best and refused to recognise the obvious

Never said that, augie. ANYONE could have won that PL last season. My point is that was a one-off. Forget last season. This coming season will be very very different. Our current squad are no where near good enough to compete with the likes of Citeh, chavs, and Manure with new managers and (by August 30th) many new and better players. For regular sustained success (even for Moron-hio's usual 2-3 year tenures) Moron-hio would need to buy in top players, and pay them top wages and he would expect to do it every season. There is no way Mediocrity Stan would give him those type of funds.

This goes back to the whole question about just getting rid of Wenger. For me Wenger going is the priority, but we also need to get rid of rotten shit like Kroenke and Gazidis or any Wenger replacement will be fighting an uphill battle.

You did say that buddy - you actually said moaninho would win nothing at AFC, and I merely pointed out that in at least 3 seasons in the past decade he would have won the league with the squads and money that were available to wenger
Of course going forward you are 100% right, but that applies to not just moaninho - wenker has now run down our squad so badly that it does require significant investment, and no manager in the world will win with this current squad

I meant within the general culture at Arsenal in relation to "normal" seasons. Last season was far from "normal", it was a one off.

[augie]

The man with an opinion on everything now commenting on Brexit again....Can he not just concentrate on the fucking job he gets paid for?????

Still in France on his TV overtime payment for another week meanwhile nothing happens in the transfer market...would it not have been better to get new guys in ready for pre season?

That is if any are expected of course, i have now grown to despise the man

Oh he has an opinion on everything...

If he cannot be responsible enough to do the business our club needs him to do, then why don't the owners or the board step in and demand that he do it? Not making excuses for Wenger here (before the usual suspects step in with their anti-Wenger rants ) but I am saying that whilst getting rid of Wenger is vital, getting rid of Kroenke and Gazidis is nearly as vital. The club is rotten at all levels.

Yes, yes it is, but nobody should need to tell wenger to focus on what his job requires - he is supposedly an intelligent man and if so he would realise that there is a growing tide of opposition to him and that he needs to do something to pacify that mob. Of course he wont do that and continues his way of sticking two fingers up at the fans and proving that he can do what he likes, and I feel that there are a list of things that the board should be intervening on before this issue.

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that vardy was not gonna be a wenger signing - if a manager decides early that he needs a striker and identifies and bids for that striker, it then doesn't make any sense to do absolutely zip when that deal collapses. Surely if he felt that a striker was urgently needed, then he would have pushed hard for his second choice before other clubs targeted his other options ? Maybe the vardy deal collapsed cos vardy believed that wenger wasn't the one driving the deal ? Whatever hope vardy had of the system/formation being adjusted to maximise his talents, he would know that wouldn't happen if it wasn't wenger that wanted him.
I know that I am only surmising on this, but something doesn't seem right and it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the board were intervening AGAIN on his transfer dealings in a bid to placate a disenfranchised fanbase

[armchair]

Last season wasnt a one-off for Arsenal, so you cant just say "forget about it" Same old shit of penny-pinching, not strengthening and no in-game management. (If anything it panned out exactly the same as every other season for a decade. ) An ambitious manager dont need mega funds to do those things.

Kroenke has never been pressured by Wenger to stump up money so who knows what would happen under Mourinho or an ambitious, successful manager. (Although I take your point that its more likely he woukdnt stump up megabucks but who knows)
Again, Mourinho would get so much more out of our squad than Wenger without spending in terms of motivation, winning mentality, tactically. Its a no brainer that he'd win us trophys.

So just forget all about last season and forget all about Wenger and Jose wont won anything for us?

Ok then.

And btw. As far as hating Wenger...? Yea sometines I hate him. Sometimes I feel sorry for him. Sometimes he makes me laugh.
But none of those "cloud my judgement" at all as far as he's concerned. I think you'll find Im one of the more respectful posters on here when it comes to criticising Wenger.

[DB10GOONER]

The man with an opinion on everything now commenting on Brexit again....Can he not just concentrate on the fucking job he gets paid for?????

Still in France on his TV overtime payment for another week meanwhile nothing happens in the transfer market...would it not have been better to get new guys in ready for pre season?

That is if any are expected of course, i have now grown to despise the man

Oh he has an opinion on everything...

If he cannot be responsible enough to do the business our club needs him to do, then why don't the owners or the board step in and demand that he do it? Not making excuses for Wenger here (before the usual suspects step in with their anti-Wenger rants ) but I am saying that whilst getting rid of Wenger is vital, getting rid of Kroenke and Gazidis is nearly as vital. The club is rotten at all levels.

Yes, yes it is, but nobody should need to tell wenger to focus on what his job requires - he is supposedly an intelligent man and if so he would realise that there is a growing tide of opposition to him and that he needs to do something to pacify that mob. Of course he wont do that and continues his way of sticking two fingers up at the fans and proving that he can do what he likes, and I feel that there are a list of things that the board should be intervening on before this issue.

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that vardy was not gonna be a wenger signing - if a manager decides early that he needs a striker and identifies and bids for that striker, it then doesn't make any sense to do absolutely zip when that deal collapses. Surely if he felt that a striker was urgently needed, then he would have pushed hard for his second choice before other clubs targeted his other options ? Maybe the vardy deal collapsed cos vardy believed that wenger wasn't the one driving the deal ? Whatever hope vardy had of the system/formation being adjusted to maximise his talents, he would know that wouldn't happen if it wasn't wenger that wanted him.
I know that I am only surmising on this, but something doesn't seem right and it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the board were intervening AGAIN on his transfer dealings in a bid to placate a disenfranchised fanbase

Oh I agree nobody "should" need to, but we have to look at facts. He won't do it so someone senior must step in and demand he do what is required. But they won't of course.

On your second point, I'd agree tbh. I still don't believe for one minute Wenger ID'd Sanchez and Ozil and told the Board "I need them give me the money". Both signings reek of Gazidis (or another Board member or members) noticing the fan and media unrest at the time and pushing those signings onto Wenger. After the fan protests last season the Board probably felt they needed at least a gesture at a signing - thus the move for Vardy, the top goal scorer in a league winning team. On the surface it's ambitious. But I would not be surprised if Wenger let Vardy know - to deter him - that he would have to fit into our system, rather than we would accommodate his style of play. Nothing surprises me with Wenger or this club anymore.

[DB10GOONER]

Last season wasnt a one-off for Arsenal, so you cant just say "forget about it" Same old shit of penny-pinching, not strengthening and no in-game management. (If anything it panned out exactly the same as every other season for a decade. ) An ambitious manager dont need mega funds to do those things.

Kroenke has never been pressured by Wenger to stump up money so who knows what would happen under Mourinho or an ambitious, successful manager. (Although I take your point that its more likely he woukdnt stump up megabucks but who knows)
Again, Mourinho would get so much more out of our squad than Wenger without spending in terms of motivation, winning mentality, tactically. Its a no brainer that he'd win us trophys.

So just forget all about last season and forget all about Wenger and Jose wont won anything for us?

Ok then.

And btw. As far as hating Wenger...? Yea sometines I hate him. Sometimes I feel sorry for him. Sometimes he makes me laugh.
But none of those "cloud my judgement" at all as far as he's concerned. I think you'll find Im one of the more respectful posters on here when it comes to criticising Wenger.

Are you intentionally trying to twist my words? I said last season was a one-off in relation the Premier League - THAT WAS WHY LEICESTER WON IT ffs. It is far from a "no-brainer" that Moron-hio would win us trophies with this squad just because he'd get more out of them than Wenger does - that's setting the bar low, isn't it? My fucking granny could get more out of them than Wenger does.

And where did I say the bit in red? Wenger is the main problem. Moron-hio (without serious money to splash) ain't the answer.

[foxinthebox2001]

Jose is a very clever user of psychology
When he was at Chelsea he would always comment around transfer window time about buying players.
And Wenger usually takes the bait. A classic example was last summer when Wenger inferred Chelsea bought the title, he replied Wenger's spending over past 2 seasons deserves more scrutiny (the point being he had spent money and still failed).
Outcome? Wenger doggedly refuses to buy any outfield player.
He gets the better of him almost every time.

[northbank123]

Mourinho is just cranky because the media don't hang on his every word like they did a decade ago.

Nobody is interested about that busted flush right now so he will keep piping up until he gets the attention he craves.

He has undoubtedly got the wood on Wenger but just embarrassed himself with his obsession.

[DB10GOONER]

Jose is a very clever user of psychology
When he was at Chelsea he would always comment around transfer window time about buying players.
And Wenger usually takes the bait. A classic example was last summer when Wenger inferred Chelsea bought the title, he replied Wenger's spending over past 2 seasons deserves more scrutiny (the point being he had spent money and still failed).
Outcome? Wenger doggedly refuses to buy any outfield player.
He gets the better of him almost every time.

Absolutely. Our problem is it's not just Moron-hio commenting on buying players - the more the fucking media tell Wenger he needs to sign a DM or a CH or a striker, the more he will dig in his heels and refuse to do so because 30 years in football, leetle beet jaded blah blah blah etc etc.

[Redarmy]

The man with an opinion on everything now commenting on Brexit again....Can he not just concentrate on the fucking job he gets paid for?????

Still in France on his TV overtime payment for another week meanwhile nothing happens in the transfer market...would it not have been better to get new guys in ready for pre season?

That is if any are expected of course, i have now grown to despise the man

Oh he has an opinion on everything...

If he cannot be responsible enough to do the business our club needs him to do, then why don't the owners or the board step in and demand that he do it? Not making excuses for Wenger here (before the usual suspects step in with their anti-Wenger rants ) but I am saying that whilst getting rid of Wenger is vital, getting rid of Kroenke and Gazidis is nearly as vital. The club is rotten at all levels.

Yes agreed these other two are part of the problem as well.

[Robin_L]

Mourinho has the edge on Wenger so can attack him as his earliest and easiest target.

He can't really go after Klopp or Conte or Guardiola at this point in time.

As for Wenger, expect United's £80m bid for Pogba to be swiftly followed by us throwing (an easily affordable) £60m at Higuain, a player ready to move on after 3 years in Italy and eminently gettable, despite their mental club chairman. Ok that probably won't happen.

[foxinthebox2001]

Mourinho has the edge on Wenger so can attack him as his earliest and easiest target.

He can't really go after Klopp or Conte or Guardiola at this point in time.

As for Wenger, expect United's £80m bid for Pogba to be swiftly followed by us throwing (an easily affordable) £60m at Higuain, a player ready to move on after 3 years in Italy and eminently gettable, despite their mental club chairman. Ok that probably won't happen.

I think you almost miss the point of Mourinhos mythical list of 49 gems he discovered.
Translated as "go on Wenger, put your cheque book away and pull another world class player or 2 out of your reserves".
Now all sit back and watch Clueless try to rise to the challenge.... and fail.

[arseofacrow]

49 you say??