Next Ingerland Manager

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DB10GOONER wrote:
safcftm wrote:Hope he doesn't get the job but Sam Allardyce would do a very good job for England, he'd be better than Wenger for a start. Hopefully they go for someone else though, and do it quickly so that it stops disrupting our pre season
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Mate, I'm better than Wenger. Does that qualify me for the job of manager of the country that gave the world football??!!! :shock:

No. No, it does not. :D :wink:

Sorry buddy, but in the bigger scope of the game, Fat Sam is shite. He saved your arses the year the Toon got relegated and you'll always love him for that, fine - but he will never win the PL no matter where he might end up managing. Ever. :wink:
I just think he deserves a bit more respect than people tend to give him. Very few managers are a success at more than one club. Sam has been good everywhere he's been, even when he left Newcastle he hadn't actually done that badly. He is also a lot more progressive than his reputation would suggest. Is he a dinosaur because his football tends to be direct? Maybe so but if that's the way to get the best out of what he has at his disposal then it's hard to argue against it. I'd rather England played a more direct style rather than trying to pass the ball around like fucking Spain when we don't have the ability to do it. Plus, certainly at Sunderland, it hasn't been route one football, that wouldn't exactly work with Defoe up front by himself, he's adapted and got us safe from near certain relegation. That's my concern with Wenger, he has his one style which doesn't suit England and I have seen how stubborn he is, he's got no tactical flexibility at all, that's why I think he'd be a disaster despite the fact he'd be good to have working with the younger age groups.

Sam also gets teams well organised and hard to beat which, as these euros have shown, is a massive part of succeeding at tournaments, you don't get long to work with the players do you need to ensure they're well drilled and know their tasks. Sam would do that. Defensively it might not be pretty but I'd rather that than trying to play our way out of trouble and being caught. Pepe had a great tournament and he was no nonsense to say the least. Lots of teams have proved that if you're sold defensively you have a chance, if England could do the same they'd be in a decent position since they also have the odd attacking player who can make something happen at the other end.

So tactically I think he's better than people give him credit for, he's a good man manager who gets the most out of his players, he is well organised and forward thinking in terms of making use of technology and who knows what he could do with a squad which includes some genuinely talented attacking options. The fact that no top clubs have given him a chance doesn't mean England shouldn't either, he's better than Hodgson, better than McClaren, better than Redknapp, more experienced and a safer choice than Howe, the Americans can't wait to be rid of Klinsmann. On the whole I think he's well worth a shot.

He isn't a yes man, he's not all about image, he takes no shit and tells it like it is, all that makes him someone that I'd imagine the FA would normally steer clear of but actually it could be what England need. Someone who will pick a side to win, not bother about pandering to egos or being a yes man to the FA who have demonstrated time and time again that they are utterly inept.

I'll be gutted if he goes but he deserves his chance and I'll wish him all the best, I just hope the England fans will at least give the bloke a chance

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DB10GOONER wrote:
safcftm wrote:Hope he doesn't get the job but Sam Allardyce would do a very good job for England, he'd be better than Wenger for a start. Hopefully they go for someone else though, and do it quickly so that it stops disrupting our pre season
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Mate, I'm better than Wenger. Does that qualify me for the job of manager of the country that gave the world football??!!! :shock:

No. No, it does not. :D :wink:

Sorry buddy, but in the bigger scope of the game, Fat Sam is shite. He saved your arses the year the Toon got relegated and you'll always love him for that, fine - but he will never win the PL no matter where he might end up managing. Ever. :wink:


About 18 months ago the meeja and a load of other c.unts were saying that the shammers would regret getting rid of fat sam as he is the right man to keep them up - fast forward to now and it is clear to see that bilic has taken the shammers up, not by one level, but by two or three levels 8) Fat sam and his outdated philosophies are suited to a club aiming to avoid relegation, but totally unsuited for the top level

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augie wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
safcftm wrote:Hope he doesn't get the job but Sam Allardyce would do a very good job for England, he'd be better than Wenger for a start. Hopefully they go for someone else though, and do it quickly so that it stops disrupting our pre season
:coffeespit:

Mate, I'm better than Wenger. Does that qualify me for the job of manager of the country that gave the world football??!!! :shock:

No. No, it does not. :D :wink:

Sorry buddy, but in the bigger scope of the game, Fat Sam is shite. He saved your arses the year the Toon got relegated and you'll always love him for that, fine - but he will never win the PL no matter where he might end up managing. Ever. :wink:


About 18 months ago the meeja and a load of other c.unts were saying that the shammers would regret getting rid of fat sam as he is the right man to keep them up - fast forward to now and it is clear to see that bilic has taken the shammers up, not by one level, but by two or three levels 8) Fat sam and his outdated philosophies are suited to a club aiming to avoid relegation, but totally unsuited for the top level
Genuine question, did Allardyce not have them in a similar position to Bilic (pushing the Europa league places) before it became public knowledge that they were going to peddle him and the players stopped playing for him?

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Cannot actually believe that the FA are possibly considering Sam Allardyce at this point in time.

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northbank123 wrote:Cannot actually believe that the FA are possibly considering Sam Allardyce at this point in time.
Or any point in time to be fair :lol:

Sam Allardici would be my personal choice :barscarf:

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I don't like the guy and he certainly has his limitations but I'm struggling to think of someone that is gettable that would definitely do a better job that Fat Sam. None of the top class managers would be interested and a lot of other managers have a set style of play that wouldn't suit the players we have available.

Eddie Howe keeps getting mentioned but seems pretty early to go for him.

I reckon we'd have as much chance of doing better (which isn't saying much) with Fat Sam picking Carroll as his number one striker and playing to his strengths as we would going with any of the other candidates that seem to be on the table.

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what makes me laugh with the FA is we've been screaming for a younger, more dynamic, progressive manager for a while, and yet they somehow manage to find an even bigger dinosaur than hodgson!

this is not the sun'lun job, where he is working with poor players on a tight budget, this is an england job where contrary to the way some on here would have it, we have a lot of talent, just look at what some of these players do for their clubs, yet they need the right manager to get the best out of them. and yet we're going to go down this tired old road again :roll:

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Skooner wrote:I don't like the guy and he certainly has his limitations but I'm struggling to think of someone that is gettable that would definitely do a better job that Fat Sam. None of the top class managers would be interested and a lot of other managers have a set style of play that wouldn't suit the players we have available.

Eddie Howe keeps getting mentioned but seems pretty early to go for him.

I reckon we'd have as much chance of doing better (which isn't saying much) with Fat Sam picking Carroll as his number one striker and playing to his strengths as we would going with any of the other candidates that seem to be on the table.
England have done the journeyman English manager with McLaren and they have done it with Hodgson. And completely pissed away four major tournaments in the process.

What is Allardyce going to do other than use the same sort of hackneyed training methods, team selection policy, tactics and overall approach to international football as his predecessors?

If Andy Carroll caused decent defenders half as many problems as his advocates think that he does, he wouldn't have had the unremarkable career that he has.

The FA need to grow a fucking backbone and stop worrying about what the media will say. Allardyce will be a popular appointment with them because he'll give plenty of no-nonsense old-fashioned English soundbites, pick players like Drinkwater and sail through qualifying like every other England manager tends to. When it goes downhill come tournament time, the press will turn on Allardyce (who will happily get into petty spats with any of his critics) and the blame will be placed upon the players who don't perform like they do for their club and allegedly have no passion or pride. There will be secondary criticism of the FA but the appointment will be an easy one to defend.

So Eddie Howe doesn't have an established track record of being a middling manager at domestic level - as though that's been a recipe for success. What he will do is bring new ideas, a new set-up and a new approach to the national team and its outlook. No guarantee of success but will be a genuine change - sadly half of those calling for major change seem to think that the main issue is that players don't try hard enough for England and that this will be rectified by an old-fashioned manager.

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:what makes me laugh with the FA is we've been screaming for a younger, more dynamic, progressive manager for a while, and yet they somehow manage to find an even bigger dinosaur than hodgson!

this is not the sun'lun job, where he is working with poor players on a tight budget, this is an england job where contrary to the way some on here would have it, we have a lot of talent, just look at what some of these players do for their clubs, yet they need the right manager to get the best out of them. and yet we're going to go down this tired old road again :roll:



I agree with pretty much all of this 8)

Ingerland keep going on about this "blueprint" that they have and how it is a 10 year plan, but yet they keep giving in to old coaches who haven't a hope of being there for 10 years :roll: Eddie Howe might well be a relative rookie in comparison to some, but he is young, dynamic and forward thinking and his cv certainly isn't much inferior than the likes of fat sam. Give someone like howe the job and give him the job for a minimum of 4 or 6 years to allow him to build towards something instead of setting unattainable short term goals :roll:
My only question mark regarding howe (or someone like him) would be the respect that he would get from the multi millionaire over-hyped prima donna footballers, who would sneer at him with the "what have you won" bullshit :oops: :oops:

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Fat Sam...engerlund manager, a sequel to Mike basset, you couldn't make it up :-)

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greengooner wrote:Fat Sam...engerlund manager, a sequel to Mike basset, you couldn't make it up :-)
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Quality. :lol: 8)

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From Woy to Slug in one easy move.

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Nos89 wrote:So much for the FA 10 year plan. Pretty sure Fat Sam, Steve Bruce and Jurgen Klinsman were not part of the plan. Thought Southgate was being groomed for the job.
To be fair to him, he is the only English manager in the PL that can compete with all the foreign coaches. At least he'll have a system and know which players to put in his team.
If he can get Sunderland to stay up then anything is possible.
You're kidding, right? :shock: :lol: If a "system" is setting up your team to try and physically stop a better team from playing football then yep Fat Sam has a "system". No doubt Shawcross will be the next England captain! :oops: :lol: Fat Sam's "system" might stop Bolton or Sunderland from getting relegated on the last day of the season, but that is not competing with "all the foreign coaches" though, is it - and if that is the limit of England's ambition, at interlull level they will quickly get found out, and they will get royally fucked as well. :|
A system that worked for Portugal, Italy, and Iceland at the Euros. England are the equivalent of Bolton and Sunderland in International football and considering he's spent at least 13 out of the last 16 seasons keeping average teams in the PL, that's competing with the foreign coaches. I'm not his greatest fan but he deserves a crack at it.

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Those three sides were all technically far better organised and also counterattack end far more effectively than any Allardyce side.

His cynical methods generally work well in the PL but he will get monumentally found out playing that sort of crap at major tournament level.

Can't believe people either want to see England playing that dross or think it will work.

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Nos89 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
Nos89 wrote:So much for the FA 10 year plan. Pretty sure Fat Sam, Steve Bruce and Jurgen Klinsman were not part of the plan. Thought Southgate was being groomed for the job.
To be fair to him, he is the only English manager in the PL that can compete with all the foreign coaches. At least he'll have a system and know which players to put in his team.
If he can get Sunderland to stay up then anything is possible.
You're kidding, right? :shock: :lol: If a "system" is setting up your team to try and physically stop a better team from playing football then yep Fat Sam has a "system". No doubt Shawcross will be the next England captain! :oops: :lol: Fat Sam's "system" might stop Bolton or Sunderland from getting relegated on the last day of the season, but that is not competing with "all the foreign coaches" though, is it - and if that is the limit of England's ambition, at interlull level they will quickly get found out, and they will get royally fucked as well. :|
A system that worked for Portugal, Italy, and Iceland at the Euros. England are the equivalent of Bolton and Sunderland in International football and considering he's spent at least 13 out of the last 16 seasons keeping average teams in the PL, that's competing with the foreign coaches. I'm not his greatest fan but he deserves a crack at it.



If survival is the aim then why bother changing managers ? Every qualifying campaign see's ingerland cruise through, but when it gets down to the business end of the campaign, they are always found wanting. Appointing fat sam as manager wont turn them into winners cos the fat c.unt never won anything as a manager - his methods scream survival but nothing higher than that

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