The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[GranadaJoe]

Nutflush,
Staring your post with a cheap insult devalues your post in general.

The Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge domination of government (as well as UK Olympic sport, the judiciary, music, business etc) isn't about who is most educated. There are many 1st class honours students from good universities who never get the opportunities available to the public school clique.
This is because rich, powerful people send their children to the top public schools, where they meet other rich, powerful people. Their daddies or daddies' friends give them the top jobs and when they have sprogs they go to the same public schools. It creates a elite that looks after itself.
Social mobility is lower now than thirty years ago. The richest 1% own the same as the poorest 55%. All studies show that people are happier in countries where wealth is shared more equally. The fact that these people dominate the executive IS a problem.

I think your selective hearing/confirmation bias is much worse than A11M11's. He explained that he was using Farage's comments to illustrate his point, yet you attack the man rather than the message. Farage may be a toser, but he may equally say something sensible from time to time.

I didn't read any of A11M11's comments as 'reneging' on democracy (whatever that means). He had criticisms of it and how it works for people around the country, which I believe is true.

I'm a Londoner and I think it's the greatest city on the planet, but I think the bubble comment does hold some water. London is unique in the UK and in Europe. It is massive, massively multi-cultural and, in many parts, massively rich. I don't think people from outside the city appreciate this, but equally Londoners can find it difficult to understand people and life in the shires. I remember when I first left the city to work in Gloucester in 1985. It was impossible to buy a pizza anywhere in the city and all restaurants shut at 10.00pm. I thought I'd landed in the middle-ages. Locals viewed London like Oz.

Agriculture and fisheries may only account for a small part of GDP, but it accounts for 60% of UK food needs yet employs less than 2% of the workforce. It is very efficient, unlike French, Spanish, Italian etc agriculture.
What should be recognised though is that in many parts of the country it is an important part of the jobs market, society and history, and it is understandable that people think throwing fish back into the sea to rot, or paying farmers NOT to grow produce is daft.

I'm sure there were racists among the Brexiteers, but I don't believe they were anything other than a small minority.
You focus on economics in your arguments for Remain, which is perfectly reasonable, but many people feel a hundred times more removed from Brussels than they do from Westminster. It's reasonable that people have concerns about accountability, democracy, sovereignty, corruption, 'ever increasing political union', eu expansion and the viability of the european project as a whole.
Jam today or jam tomorrow? A bit more democracy or a bit more money? There's no right answer, and we shouldn't attempt to vilify those who hold a different opinion, provided is it truthful and logical.

[Red Snapper]

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Post of the year!

[DB10GOONER]

Nutflush,
Staring your post with a cheap insult devalues your post in general.

The Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge domination of government (as well as UK Olympic sport, the judiciary, music, business etc) isn't about who is most educated. There are many 1st class honours students from good universities who never get the opportunities available to the public school clique.
This is because rich, powerful people send their children to the top public schools, where they meet other rich, powerful people. Their daddies or daddies' friends give them the top jobs and when they have sprogs they go to the same public schools. It creates a elite that looks after itself.
Social mobility is lower now than thirty years ago. The richest 1% own the same as the poorest 55%. All studies show that people are happier in countries where wealth is shared more equally. The fact that these people dominate the executive IS a problem.

I think your selective hearing/confirmation bias is much worse than A11M11's. He explained that he was using Farage's comments to illustrate his point, yet you attack the man rather than the message. Farage may be a toser, but he may equally say something sensible from time to time.

I didn't read any of A11M11's comments as 'reneging' on democracy (whatever that means). He had criticisms of it and how it works for people around the country, which I believe is true.

I'm a Londoner and I think it's the greatest city on the planet, but I think the bubble comment does hold some water. London is unique in the UK and in Europe. It is massive, massively multi-cultural and, in many parts, massively rich. I don't think people from outside the city appreciate this, but equally Londoners can find it difficult to understand people and life in the shires. I remember when I first left the city to work in Gloucester in 1985. It was impossible to buy a pizza anywhere in the city and all restaurants shut at 10.00pm. I thought I'd landed in the middle-ages. Locals viewed London like Oz.

Agriculture and fisheries may only account for a small part of GDP, but it accounts for 60% of UK food needs yet employs less than 2% of the workforce. It is very efficient, unlike French, Spanish, Italian etc agriculture.
What should be recognised though is that in many parts of the country it is an important part of the jobs market, society and history, and it is understandable that people think throwing fish back into the sea to rot, or paying farmers NOT to grow produce is daft.

I'm sure there were racists among the Brexiteers, but I don't believe they were anything other than a small minority.
You focus on economics in your arguments for Remain, which is perfectly reasonable, but many people feel a hundred times more removed from Brussels than they do from Westminster. It's reasonable that people have concerns about accountability, democracy, sovereignty, corruption, 'ever increasing political union', eu expansion and the viability of the european project as a whole.
Jam today or jam tomorrow? A bit more democracy or a bit more money? There's no right answer, and we shouldn't attempt to vilify those who hold a different opinion, provided is it truthful and logical.

That's not a London thing. It's common in any big city or capital city in every country in the world.

[Brightonnxtround]

Muslims in France are not living in a democratic country they are being forced to be French are not allowed to wear what they want that is not democracy
That is dictatorship , Britain on the over hand is truly democratic
Why would we want to be part of that , I should emagine quite a few Muslims voted to leave the e u ....

[GranadaJoe]

Nutflush,
Staring your post with a cheap insult devalues your post in general.

The Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge domination of government (as well as UK Olympic sport, the judiciary, music, business etc) isn't about who is most educated. There are many 1st class honours students from good universities who never get the opportunities available to the public school clique.
This is because rich, powerful people send their children to the top public schools, where they meet other rich, powerful people. Their daddies or daddies' friends give them the top jobs and when they have sprogs they go to the same public schools. It creates a elite that looks after itself.
Social mobility is lower now than thirty years ago. The richest 1% own the same as the poorest 55%. All studies show that people are happier in countries where wealth is shared more equally. The fact that these people dominate the executive IS a problem.

I think your selective hearing/confirmation bias is much worse than A11M11's. He explained that he was using Farage's comments to illustrate his point, yet you attack the man rather than the message. Farage may be a toser, but he may equally say something sensible from time to time.

I didn't read any of A11M11's comments as 'reneging' on democracy (whatever that means). He had criticisms of it and how it works for people around the country, which I believe is true.

I'm a Londoner and I think it's the greatest city on the planet, but I think the bubble comment does hold some water. London is unique in the UK and in Europe. It is massive, massively multi-cultural and, in many parts, massively rich. I don't think people from outside the city appreciate this, but equally Londoners can find it difficult to understand people and life in the shires. I remember when I first left the city to work in Gloucester in 1985. It was impossible to buy a pizza anywhere in the city and all restaurants shut at 10.00pm. I thought I'd landed in the middle-ages. Locals viewed London like Oz.

Agriculture and fisheries may only account for a small part of GDP, but it accounts for 60% of UK food needs yet employs less than 2% of the workforce. It is very efficient, unlike French, Spanish, Italian etc agriculture.
What should be recognised though is that in many parts of the country it is an important part of the jobs market, society and history, and it is understandable that people think throwing fish back into the sea to rot, or paying farmers NOT to grow produce is daft.

I'm sure there were racists among the Brexiteers, but I don't believe they were anything other than a small minority.
You focus on economics in your arguments for Remain, which is perfectly reasonable, but many people feel a hundred times more removed from Brussels than they do from Westminster. It's reasonable that people have concerns about accountability, democracy, sovereignty, corruption, 'ever increasing political union', eu expansion and the viability of the european project as a whole.
Jam today or jam tomorrow? A bit more democracy or a bit more money? There's no right answer, and we shouldn't attempt to vilify those who hold a different opinion, provided is it truthful and logical.

That's not a London thing. It's common in any big city or capital city in every country in the world.

It's true that capital cities often dominate countries. I don't know the exact figures but I know a large percentage of the Irish live in Dublin. However, in western europe London is an unusual beast; three or four times the size of Berlin, Rome, Paris, Madrid and five times the size of the second biggest British city. Munich, Milan, Marseille and Barcelona all present alternative power bases. London is like a black hole. especially the bit around N17.

[nut flush gooner]

Nutflush,
Staring your post with a cheap insult devalues your post in general.

The Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge domination of government (as well as UK Olympic sport, the judiciary, music, business etc) isn't about who is most educated. There are many 1st class honours students from good universities who never get the opportunities available to the public school clique.
This is because rich, powerful people send their children to the top public schools, where they meet other rich, powerful people. Their daddies or daddies' friends give them the top jobs and when they have sprogs they go to the same public schools. It creates a elite that looks after itself.
Social mobility is lower now than thirty years ago. The richest 1% own the same as the poorest 55%. All studies show that people are happier in countries where wealth is shared more equally. The fact that these people dominate the executive IS a problem.

I completely disagree with this statement. The Conservative Party that you are painting an image of being elitist no longer exists. Sajid Javid and Priti Patel both went to comprehensive schools as did Philip Hammond and Stephen Crabb. This elitist stuff is just utter crap and what the Tory haters use every time they get into a debate. In 2015 50% of Conservative MP's went to Independant schools, I really do not see a problem with that. The Conservative party is more inclusive than ever, having 2 Asians in prominent cabinet positions conflicts with what you say about the Tories. David Cameron has to take a lot of credit for this, he has put people into positions of power based on their ability not their background. If the Conservative Party was a "club", not only would you not have ethnic minorities welcome with open arms you wouldn't have a second female PM!

I think your selective hearing/confirmation bias is much worse than A11M11's. He explained that he was using Farage's comments to illustrate his point, yet you attack the man rather than the message. Farage may be a toser, but he may equally say something sensible from time to time.


The point wasn't well made, and Farage is a very clever manipulative populist. He made very few claims about the economy, his whole campaign revolved on controlling our borders and when he talked about how our public services would benefit from the money we save, we all know that was a blatant lie.

I didn't read any of A11M11's comments as 'reneging' on democracy (whatever that means). He had criticisms of it and how it works for people around the country, which I believe is true.

That's probably because you where suffocating from having to read one paragraph with a 1000 words in it (joke!).

I'm a Londoner and I think it's the greatest city on the planet, but I think the bubble comment does hold some water. London is unique in the UK and in Europe. It is massive, massively multi-cultural and, in many parts, massively rich. I don't think people from outside the city appreciate this, but equally Londoners can find it difficult to understand people and life in the shires. I remember when I first left the city to work in Gloucester in 1985. It was impossible to buy a pizza anywhere in the city and all restaurants shut at 10.00pm. I thought I'd landed in the middle-ages. Locals viewed London like Oz.

Londoners don't live in a bubble, they form part of the bigger world a place which is ethnically and culturally diverse and has benefited from a world class services industry. You could argue that some people that live in the provinces are in a bubble, because they haven't thought about the impact Brexit will have on their lives. They can't appreciate that if London sneezes the rest of the country catches a cold. A lot of people outside London work for Global companies that have decided to set up in the UK because we are business friendly, and a good base to sell their wares into Europe. Yet now that has all changed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 13131.html

Agriculture and fisheries may only account for a small part of GDP, but it accounts for 60% of UK food needs yet employs less than 2% of the workforce. It is very efficient, unlike French, Spanish, Italian etc agriculture.
What should be recognised though is that in many parts of the country it is an important part of the jobs market, society and history, and it is understandable that people think throwing fish back into the sea to rot, or paying farmers NOT to grow produce is daft.

Well we have to eat don't we, some more than others! Seriously though my point is, you cannot base a decision to leave the EU on something that is such a small proportion of what our country is all about. Despite this I remember in the build up to the referendum, hearing about Welsh Farmers who where net beneficiaries of being part of the EU, in terms of subsidies received from Brussels. There is always two sides to every coin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36849224


I'm sure there were racists among the Brexiteers, but I don't believe they were anything other than a small minority.

Fortunately people with extreme views are few and far between in this country. However, there is no doubt that the Brexit debate has made certain groups from Europe feel unwelcome and despised by a not insignificant group of Indigenous Brits. I have heard it first hand from some Romanians. Even worse some ignoramuses have used Brexit as an excuse to start on Asians or Blacks, so tell me it isn't a problem because you haven't seen it. Well I can tell you to the contrary because I have seen it first hand, even in London.

You focus on economics in your arguments for Remain, which is perfectly reasonable, but many people feel a hundred times more removed from Brussels than they do from Westminster. It's reasonable that people have concerns about accountability, democracy, sovereignty, corruption, 'ever increasing political union', eu expansion and the viability of the european project as a whole.
Jam today or jam tomorrow? A bit more democracy or a bit more money? There's no right answer, and we shouldn't attempt to vilify those who hold a different opinion, provided is it truthful and logical.

Based on your opinions of "the elite" the people who feel removed from Brussels should also feel removed from Westminster, and they do. The whole EU debate was a massive cluster fuck up, the politicians lied as usual (on both sides) and we now have a more divided country than I can remember in a while. I can't have a conversation with some of my mates about Brexit, because some of the utter shit they have come out with rather than a reasoned constructive argument, 90% of the time it's immigration and that's why we should never had the debate in the first place. As a result of Brexit we now have to plan very carefully to ensure we don't have a recession that was self induced.

[nut flush gooner]

Nutflush,
Staring your post with a cheap insult devalues your post in general.

The Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge domination of government (as well as UK Olympic sport, the judiciary, music, business etc) isn't about who is most educated. There are many 1st class honours students from good universities who never get the opportunities available to the public school clique.
This is because rich, powerful people send their children to the top public schools, where they meet other rich, powerful people. Their daddies or daddies' friends give them the top jobs and when they have sprogs they go to the same public schools. It creates a elite that looks after itself.
Social mobility is lower now than thirty years ago. The richest 1% own the same as the poorest 55%. All studies show that people are happier in countries where wealth is shared more equally. The fact that these people dominate the executive IS a problem.

I think your selective hearing/confirmation bias is much worse than A11M11's. He explained that he was using Farage's comments to illustrate his point, yet you attack the man rather than the message. Farage may be a toser, but he may equally say something sensible from time to time.

I didn't read any of A11M11's comments as 'reneging' on democracy (whatever that means). He had criticisms of it and how it works for people around the country, which I believe is true.

I'm a Londoner and I think it's the greatest city on the planet, but I think the bubble comment does hold some water. London is unique in the UK and in Europe. It is massive, massively multi-cultural and, in many parts, massively rich. I don't think people from outside the city appreciate this, but equally Londoners can find it difficult to understand people and life in the shires. I remember when I first left the city to work in Gloucester in 1985. It was impossible to buy a pizza anywhere in the city and all restaurants shut at 10.00pm. I thought I'd landed in the middle-ages. Locals viewed London like Oz.

Agriculture and fisheries may only account for a small part of GDP, but it accounts for 60% of UK food needs yet employs less than 2% of the workforce. It is very efficient, unlike French, Spanish, Italian etc agriculture.
What should be recognised though is that in many parts of the country it is an important part of the jobs market, society and history, and it is understandable that people think throwing fish back into the sea to rot, or paying farmers NOT to grow produce is daft.

I'm sure there were racists among the Brexiteers, but I don't believe they were anything other than a small minority.
You focus on economics in your arguments for Remain, which is perfectly reasonable, but many people feel a hundred times more removed from Brussels than they do from Westminster. It's reasonable that people have concerns about accountability, democracy, sovereignty, corruption, 'ever increasing political union', eu expansion and the viability of the european project as a whole.
Jam today or jam tomorrow? A bit more democracy or a bit more money? There's no right answer, and we shouldn't attempt to vilify those who hold a different opinion, provided is it truthful and logical.

That's not a London thing. It's common in any big city or capital city in every country in the world.

It's true that capital cities often dominate countries. I don't know the exact figures but I know a large percentage of the Irish live in Dublin. However, in western europe London is an unusual beast; three or four times the size of Berlin, Rome, Paris, Madrid and five times the size of the second biggest British city. Munich, Milan, Marseille and Barcelona all present alternative power bases. London is like a black hole. especially the bit around N17.

N17 and the surrounding areas are amongst the last areas in London to benefit from regeneration. The area is probably the only place where you can still get a family home for under £400k, but I expect that to change. There is a lot of money earmarked for the regeneration of the Lea Valley from North of Tottenham into Edmonton another deprived area. Don't forget that Tottenham FC are also taking a property punt, like we did when we moved to the Emirates. In the eyes of Gooners N17 will always be a shithole, but they are now finally spending some desperately needed money in the area to improve housing and transport links.

[the playing mantis]

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

bit like this sidetrack you made after making some comments about blue collar workers:

Quote

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

Unquote

genuine question,
how old are you? assume under 30 or 35 at most.,

and are you Highbury JD???

[nut flush gooner]

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

bit like this sidetrack you made after making some comments about blue collar workers:

Quote

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

Unquote

genuine question,
how old are you? assume under 30 or 35 at most.,

and are you Highbury JD???

It wasn't a sidetrack, I genuinely got fed up of the debate always going of on a tangent and the geezer not giving me direct answers.

I'm nearer 50 than 30, quite what my age has to do with anything is beyond me or what a "Highbury JD" is.

[the playing mantis]

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

bit like this sidetrack you made after making some comments about blue collar workers:

Quote

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

Unquote

genuine question,
how old are you? assume under 30 or 35 at most.,

and are you Highbury JD???

It wasn't a sidetrack, I genuinely got fed up of the debate always going of on a tangent and the geezer not giving me direct answers.

I'm nearer 50 than 30, quite what my age has to do with anything is beyond me or what a "Highbury JD" is.

its your occasional petulant, immature and demeaning attitude to other posters (not just on this thread on any where people disagree with you) that made me assume you were youngish.

[nut flush gooner]

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

bit like this sidetrack you made after making some comments about blue collar workers:

Quote

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

Unquote

genuine question,
how old are you? assume under 30 or 35 at most.,

and are you Highbury JD???

It wasn't a sidetrack, I genuinely got fed up of the debate always going of on a tangent and the geezer not giving me direct answers.

I'm nearer 50 than 30, quite what my age has to do with anything is beyond me or what a "Highbury JD" is.

its your occasional petulant, immature and demeaning attitude to other posters (not just on this thread on any where people disagree with you) that made me assume you were youngish.

There's nothing petulant about what I say, if someone shows ignorance then I flag it up quite simple really (and its come up in spades on this thread). Granada Joe has taken time out to make an interesting debate with some valid points, hence have you seen anything that is petulant in my reply to him? If you read my posts on other threads you won't see anything like the viscosity that is displayed here. The whole EU debate is a very complex subject.

[A11M11]

Sorry if you think that I am being obtuse but If you want direct answers best you ask direct questions.

[Red Snapper]

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

bit like this sidetrack you made after making some comments about blue collar workers:

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Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

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genuine question,
how old are you? assume under 30 or 35 at most.,

and are you Highbury JD???

It wasn't a sidetrack, I genuinely got fed up of the debate always going of on a tangent and the geezer not giving me direct answers.

I'm nearer 50 than 30, quite what my age has to do with anything is beyond me or what a "Highbury JD" is.

A Highbury JD is an overpriced shot of American bourbon in a plastic cup.

[Chippy]

Feeling much happier now as it is becoming more and more obvious that we will not be leaving the EU.

[the playing mantis]

Feeling much happier now as it is becoming more and more obvious that we will not be leaving the EU.

wanna bet?!