Wilson wrote:Couelin is now training at centre half, because with Mertesacker out, and Kosicleny being given an extended break, Chambers and Gabriel remain our only centre halves going into the new season. Its not like we have Liverpool and then Leicester City away first up.
Good to see Wenger is in control.
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NickF wrote:Not sure I agree with this. Hasn't Wenger himself said that transfer funds have never been withheld?supergeorgegraham wrote:I just read the Robson interview on Talksport. Wenger chases the big players doesn't offer enough and settles for lesser cheaper players.
So we have 2 options either he will not pay the required money because he is an accountant and finance is very important or he is told from above he can't pay that money.
I think it's a mixture of both. Very few posters on here seem to be as angry with Kronke as they are Wenger.
Again our problems are a mixture of both. I don't see a new manager being allowed to spend the type of money that at least 4 clubs in the Premier League can.
Arsenal will never win the Premier League while Kronke is in control of his buisness. That's all we are now.
Just let the manager identify the players and then let someone else negotiate the fees. Other clubs manage it.
As I've said before, Kroneke is guilty of having zero ambition, and being contented with a manager who fails to achieve any actual success. There has been no suggestion that Kroenke has withheld any funds at all. The constant mistakes in the transfer window, are all down to Wenger. We have a manager who thinks his own valuation of a player, holds more validity than the selling clubs valuation of a player. Wenger has been quite contented to spend as little as possible, in order to finish 4th. With another manager, and the exact same funds available, we would have won a lot more than 2 FA cups, in 10 years.supergeorgegraham wrote:I just read the Robson interview on Talksport. Wenger chases the big players doesn't offer enough and settles for lesser cheaper players.
So we have 2 options either he will not pay the required money because he is an accountant and finance is very important or he is told from above he can't pay that money.
I think it's a mixture of both. Very few posters on here seem to be as angry with Kronke as they are Wenger.
Again our problems are a mixture of both. I don't see a new manager being allowed to spend the type of money that at least 4 clubs in the Premier League can.
Arsenal will never win the Premier League while Kronke is in control of his buisness. That's all we are now.
Yeah trouble is these wankers are getting paid an absolute fortune to do itrodders999 wrote:What an absolute PR disaster this summer has been for the club, an absolute shitfest. I'm not sure the best way to market yourself to potential sponsors or even transfer targets (har bloody har) is to portray yourself as a feeble bunch of also rans unable to compete with the big boys. The "brand" looks weak as a result, no company wants to position themselves with an organisation that embraces failure so openly.
Losers on the pitch, losers in the dugout and losers in the boardroom....it's the Arsene way
Anyone know when the next round of financial results are to be made public by the club? When that happens all this absolute horseshit about being the poor relation Ivan has been spewing over the past few days is going to make us look like a complete laughing stock, or should I say even more of a joke than we do already.
A sorry, sorry mess from top to bottom.
BFG4 wrote:As I've said before, Kroneke is guilty of having zero ambition, and being contented with a manager who fails to achieve any actual success. There has been no suggestion that Kroenke has withheld any funds at all. The constant mistakes in the transfer window, are all down to Wenger. We have a manager who thinks his own valuation of a player, holds more validity than the selling clubs valuation of a player. Wenger has been quite contented to spend as little as possible, in order to finish 4th. With another manager, and the exact same funds available, we would have won a lot more than 2 FA cups, in 10 years.supergeorgegraham wrote:I just read the Robson interview on Talksport. Wenger chases the big players doesn't offer enough and settles for lesser cheaper players.
So we have 2 options either he will not pay the required money because he is an accountant and finance is very important or he is told from above he can't pay that money.
I think it's a mixture of both. Very few posters on here seem to be as angry with Kronke as they are Wenger.
Again our problems are a mixture of both. I don't see a new manager being allowed to spend the type of money that at least 4 clubs in the Premier League can.
Arsenal will never win the Premier League while Kronke is in control of his buisness. That's all we are now.
I'm not suggesting for a second that he is a competent owner, or has any ambition, but that he isn't holding funds back. It is Wenger, who is obsessed with limitng spending, and it's Wenger who conducts transfer business, in a purely incompetent way. Give the exact same resources to a better manager, and we wouldn't be waiting 12 years for a title, and wouldn't be also rans in Europe.Redarmy wrote:BFG4 wrote:As I've said before, Kroneke is guilty of having zero ambition, and being contented with a manager who fails to achieve any actual success. There has been no suggestion that Kroenke has withheld any funds at all. The constant mistakes in the transfer window, are all down to Wenger. We have a manager who thinks his own valuation of a player, holds more validity than the selling clubs valuation of a player. Wenger has been quite contented to spend as little as possible, in order to finish 4th. With another manager, and the exact same funds available, we would have won a lot more than 2 FA cups, in 10 years.supergeorgegraham wrote:I just read the Robson interview on Talksport. Wenger chases the big players doesn't offer enough and settles for lesser cheaper players.
So we have 2 options either he will not pay the required money because he is an accountant and finance is very important or he is told from above he can't pay that money.
I think it's a mixture of both. Very few posters on here seem to be as angry with Kronke as they are Wenger.
Again our problems are a mixture of both. I don't see a new manager being allowed to spend the type of money that at least 4 clubs in the Premier League can.
Arsenal will never win the Premier League while Kronke is in control of his buisness. That's all we are now.
Kronke has already publicly stated he is not in this game to win trophies
He just wants a legacy for his sons a sporting dynasty to pass on, and if he can get some healthy returns all to the good
He has never said anything else to my knowledge as regards ambition, they should NEVER have let him in the first place
Yeah would agree with that, again he has stated publicly funds are available for new purchasesBFG4 wrote:I'm not suggesting for a second that he is a competent owner, or has any ambition, but that he isn't holding funds back. It is Wenger, who is obsessed with limitng spending, and it's Wenger who conducts transfer business, in a purely incompetent way. Give the exact same resources to a better manager, and we wouldn't be waiting 12 years for a title, and wouldn't be also rans in Europe.Redarmy wrote:BFG4 wrote:As I've said before, Kroneke is guilty of having zero ambition, and being contented with a manager who fails to achieve any actual success. There has been no suggestion that Kroenke has withheld any funds at all. The constant mistakes in the transfer window, are all down to Wenger. We have a manager who thinks his own valuation of a player, holds more validity than the selling clubs valuation of a player. Wenger has been quite contented to spend as little as possible, in order to finish 4th. With another manager, and the exact same funds available, we would have won a lot more than 2 FA cups, in 10 years.supergeorgegraham wrote:I just read the Robson interview on Talksport. Wenger chases the big players doesn't offer enough and settles for lesser cheaper players.
So we have 2 options either he will not pay the required money because he is an accountant and finance is very important or he is told from above he can't pay that money.
I think it's a mixture of both. Very few posters on here seem to be as angry with Kronke as they are Wenger.
Again our problems are a mixture of both. I don't see a new manager being allowed to spend the type of money that at least 4 clubs in the Premier League can.
Arsenal will never win the Premier League while Kronke is in control of his buisness. That's all we are now.
Kronke has already publicly stated he is not in this game to win trophies
He just wants a legacy for his sons a sporting dynasty to pass on, and if he can get some healthy returns all to the good
He has never said anything else to my knowledge as regards ambition, they should NEVER have let him in the first place
I can appreciate where you are coming from, but really not turning up to the bowl will be the only thing that will get the board to take notice and if we do the same old same old and do not strengthen (again), people will do exactly that. The thing is that started happening last year and it's going to carry over, for certain. If Wenger gets a new contract, people will stop going. I don't think that is rocket science. That being said, it is good to know that people are starting to bang the drum and the season hasn't even kicked off.OneBardGooner wrote:I am 1,000% with every criticism of Wenger, Kreonke, The Board and Gazidis on here... I too have never felt so absolutley pee'd off with the bunch of lying, double headed, triple faced cun.ts. BUT..as much as we all come on here and 'vent' and share our anger, dis-belief and frustrations.."We" (all of us) MUST Do something.....I haven't listened to talkshyte for ages...But a mate texted me and said to 'tune in' last Monday night to the Sports Bar Show (10pm - 1am) - It was dedicated to Arsenal - and the number of Gooners that phone din to vent their utter despair, disgust, dis-illusionment and very real ' hatred' for wenger/kreonke/Gazidis and the board was amazing - Andy Goldstein said it was one of the best call-ins he has ever known in all the time has has been doing the show (3 yrs???) there were 2 Arsenal or rather Arsene fans who called in saying that Wenger knows what he is doing and that (one commented) 'with our settled team this season, we would win the prem' - goldstein lambasted him - He wasn't being pro manure - But simply playing devils (truthful) advocate....I tried calling in but it was constantly engaged....the reason I mention this is because we ALL have apart to play in 'upping the stakes' in making wenger & Co know exactly how WE feel.
So besides coming on here and sharing how we feel - and venting - Can I suggest we each take responsibility for writing to the club, each board member the same photocopied letter will do - pointing out All the Lies, Inconsistencies, the level of distrust and embrassment that has now become the presiding face of Arsenal FC. Call in on the radio to whomever will listen and call it like it is - WENGER & The Board OUT! - We have to use every means available to us at every opportunity - And yes, I already hear some saying 'what's the point' blah blah blah....etc - But coming on here only will achieve nothing.
Good post. The problem is as I have found when we did the banners last season there are a lot of people who like to moan but precious few who will get off their Arsenal and do something. In reality there are probably no more than a couple of dozen out of 60k crowd and may be a few more away that would do banners. Most supporters are either major AKBs or "I'm going to support Wenger as long as he is the manager" or just happy they have got a ticket and don't care.OneBardGooner wrote:I am 1,000% with every criticism of Wenger, Kreonke, The Board and Gazidis on here... I too have never felt so absolutley pee'd off with the bunch of lying, double headed, triple faced cun.ts. BUT..as much as we all come on here and 'vent' and share our anger, dis-belief and frustrations.."We" (all of us) MUST Do something.....I haven't listened to talkshyte for ages...But a mate texted me and said to 'tune in' last Monday night to the Sports Bar Show (10pm - 1am) - It was dedicated to Arsenal - and the number of Gooners that phone din to vent their utter despair, disgust, dis-illusionment and very real ' hatred' for wenger/kreonke/Gazidis and the board was amazing - Andy Goldstein said it was one of the best call-ins he has ever known in all the time has has been doing the show (3 yrs???) there were 2 Arsenal or rather Arsene fans who called in saying that Wenger knows what he is doing and that (one commented) 'with our settled team this season, we would win the prem' - goldstein lambasted him - He wasn't being pro manure - But simply playing devils (truthful) advocate....I tried calling in but it was constantly engaged....the reason I mention this is because we ALL have apart to play in 'upping the stakes' in making wenger & Co know exactly how WE feel.
So besides coming on here and sharing how we feel - and venting - Can I suggest we each take responsibility for writing to the club, each board member the same photocopied letter will do - pointing out All the Lies, Inconsistencies, the level of distrust and embrassment that has now become the presiding face of Arsenal FC. Call in on the radio to whomever will listen and call it like it is - WENGER & The Board OUT! - We have to use every means available to us at every opportunity - And yes, I already hear some saying 'what's the point' blah blah blah....etc - But coming on here only will achieve nothing.
I guess we could always organise a petition - how many Gooners are members on here - everyone sign it - we get it printe doff and make a very Public Display of handing it into the club....wear the E I E T shirts- or the new:
"Get Out Of My Club Wenger" T shirts etc....
We cannot allow this embarrassing farce to continue - and I am more than happy to help organise something, if others are willing to help?
Otherwise we are just continuing to pissing in the wind for longer and longer and longer.
but hey what do I know.
