THE WENGER THREAD

[augie]

Why are people getting so wound up (and abusive?!!) about the re-sale value part of wengers equation?

Its completely logical that re-sale value comes into the equation when valuing a player.

Its all about risk management. You can rarely guarantee success so having the fallback of a decent re-sale value is clearly advantageous.

Is he wrong? Really??

Did manure consider resale value before they agreed to pay that lazy sweedish c.unt £15m per season ?

Did manure consider resale value when they are on verge of paying the worlds first £100m transfer ?

Did gazidas consider resale value when he went out and bought ozil ?

I'm sorry but a club with £200m cash reserves sitting in the bank, should not be placing that much emphasis on the resale value of any potential signing

[armchair]

Wenger apologists really have no arguments left. They just make shit up. Like we have/had no money.
Their argument of choice these days is.......
"Look how loyal he is. Look what hes done for us. Wenger deserves to stay, well, just because, he does......."

No money my arse. Theres plenty for Wenger though. With minimal return

I think you miss the point. Wenger is doing exactly what Kronke wants him too. As a business Arsenal has already made the Kronke a fortune. As a buisness we are now worth 1.1 Billion. It's a hell of a lot a money well worth 10 Million in wages a year. I'm not joking either. On the pitch we suffer but for example we only paid 2.5 Million for Holding. If he played for Southampton he would have cost 15 Million but we ripped off Bolton who might not even survive as a football club due to dept. We are ruthless money making machine.

I think you miss the point. Wenger is not..... "doing what Kroenke wants him to do" Wenger is doing exactly what Wenger wants to do and what he had already started doing before Kroenke arrived at Arsenal. Its Wengers project, Wengers failures. No-one elses.
How many times do we have to repeat that Wenger has not ever and will not be refused transfer money by Kroenke, Gazidis or the board? How many times do we have to repeat that its Wenger who has sole responsibility for players bought, sold, for how much and their wages?
Do we have to repeat yet again that its Wenger who sets a value for prospective targets and dithers and delays over the deal, pissing everyone off in the process.
Must we remind you again that it was Wenger who introduced the "fourth place trophy" into our vocabulary or it was Wenger who stated he'd take 2nd place for the next 20 years?

I admire that apologists still, in the face of over a decade of evidence, of the same mistakes on and off the pitch, still try to apportion some or all of the blame away from where it really lies. Truly and squarely at the feet of his holiness Arsene fcuking Wenger. They just keep popping up with the same old shit, tired excuses. Most of which have been proven beyond a doubt to be total bollox. Fcukin melts do my head in.

[Wilson]

Wenger has questioned Zlatan's age and his capacity to be a great player this year.

Two things. One, as poor as Zlatan may do, I still expect him to score more than dodgy Giroud. Why is Wenger commenting on Zlatan potential problems, when we have a guaranteed problem in a player who is proven to be only decent at best?

Two, why offer extra motivation to Zlatan and Jose - two massive egomaniacs with enormous ability who thrive on those doubting them.

There are certain managers and players who you dont publicly doubt, as it increases thier desire to prove you wrong - and Zlatan and Jose are two of those.

Does Wenger have no foresight? Does he have no understanding of basic football psychology (ie, there are certain players you wont doubt, as they are likely to source extra motivation to prove you wrong). Yet to cap it all off, he is talking about other teams strikers, when we have the worst striker among the top clubs.

He is a fuking muppet who finds new ways to undermine himself and the team. I dont even think the striker and defender are coming. The season is only a week away.

[falkirk goon]

Le fartpipe poking his big beek into other clubs business..like you say Wilson as if they need any extra motivation.We never do well against manure as it is and le poopholes record v maureen is a joke as sure as shite Zlatan will bully our pussyhole backline when we go there in november.

[supergeorgegraham]

Wenger apologists really have no arguments left. They just make shit up. Like we have/had no money.
Their argument of choice these days is.......
"Look how loyal he is. Look what hes done for us. Wenger deserves to stay, well, just because, he does......."

No money my arse. Theres plenty for Wenger though. With minimal return

I think you miss the point. Wenger is doing exactly what Kronke wants him too. As a business Arsenal has already made the Kronke a fortune. As a buisness we are now worth 1.1 Billion. It's a hell of a lot a money well worth 10 Million in wages a year. I'm not joking either. On the pitch we suffer but for example we only paid 2.5 Million for Holding. If he played for Southampton he would have cost 15 Million but we ripped off Bolton who might not even survive as a football club due to dept. We are ruthless money making machine.

I think you miss the point. Wenger is not..... "doing what Kroenke wants him to do" Wenger is doing exactly what Wenger wants to do and what he had already started doing before Kroenke arrived at Arsenal. Its Wengers project, Wengers failures. No-one elses.
How many times do we have to repeat that Wenger has not ever and will not be refused transfer money by Kroenke, Gazidis or the board? How many times do we have to repeat that its Wenger who has sole responsibility for players bought, sold, for how much and their wages?
Do we have to repeat yet again that its Wenger who sets a value for prospective targets and dithers and delays over the deal, pissing everyone off in the process.
Must we remind you again that it was Wenger who introduced the "fourth place trophy" into our vocabulary or it was Wenger who stated he'd take 2nd place for the next 20 years?

I admire that apologists still, in the face of over a decade of evidence, of the same mistakes on and off the pitch, still try to apportion some or all of the blame away from where it really lies. Truly and squarely at the feet of his holiness Arsene fcuking Wenger. They just keep popping up with the same old shit, tired excuses. Most of which have been proven beyond a doubt to be total bollox. Fcukin melts do my head in.

No I don't buy that for a second. No way is Kronke blameless in all this. All his teams are unsuccessful in terms of titles but they all generate a lot of income. Just wait until Wenger leaves and the next manager does not compete in the transfer market. Then you can still say Kronke is blameless. Bloody melts do my head in

[armchair]

Yea but remember......Wenger only spouts this arrogant shit in the media because Kroenke makes him.
Nothing to do with his massive ego and rush to pontificate on matters that have nothing to do with him.
What a slimy, disgusting fcuking prick he is. Concentrate on improving us, on using all your energy, money and resources on making us winners ya rotten bastard!

[supergeorgegraham]

Yea but remember......Wenger only spouts this arrogant shit in the media because Kroenke makes him.
Nothing to do with his massive ego and rush to pontificate on matters that have nothing to do with him.
What a slimy, disgusting fcuking prick he is. Concentrate on improving us, on using all your energy, money and resources on making us winners ya rotten bastard!

For the record I think Wenger has lost the plot and this will be a very bad end to his career. I still think Arsenal will continue to underspend with Kronke in control though.

[armchair]

No I don't buy that for a second. No way is Kronke blameless in all this. All his teams are unsuccessful in terms of titles but they all generate a lot of income. Just wait until Wenger leaves and the next manager does not compete in the transfer market. Then you can still say Kronke is blameless.

There you have it. A Wenger apologists "argument" summed up in one nice little paragraph.
Deflect Wengers incompetence elsewhere and suggest that any manager that replaces him will also fail No-one could do a better job than Arsene. Why?
Well....."because I just dont buy it"

Ok then.

[armchair]

The thought of Wenger doing something other than what he wants to do......
Something different than what he started well before Kroenke came to us.

Isnt it a good thing that Arsenal make money.?Thats down to many different factors. Not just Wenger and his penny-pinching. But we dont fulfil our massive potential on the pitch because of his ego and incomletence thats for sure.

[rodders999]

6 short weeks ago Wanka wanted to spunk twenty odd million on 29 year old Jamie Vardy. Where's the resale value in that?

The man's a lying bullshitter, we all know that. It doesn't matter one fuck what his 4 transfer criteria are - he's signing a couple of underwhelming duds between now and the end of the window in an attempt to just do enough to scrape by. Make your peace with it.

[Kvltman]

Maybe in Wengers warped mind he thought he could sell Vardy to City for 40 million after he banged in 35 goals for us this season.

In reality the man has just lost track of all the lies he has been spouting and it is staggering how his self contradictions are not picked up by the press.

[arseofacrow]

Why are people getting so wound up (and abusive?!!) about the re-sale value part of wengers equation?

Its completely logical that re-sale value comes into the equation when valuing a player.

Its all about risk management. You can rarely guarantee success so having the fallback of a decent re-sale value is clearly advantageous.

Is he wrong? Really??

Not wrong, but clearly it is more the accumulative effect of Wenger's prouncements and inaction than just this one thing.

I'm surprised you can't see that mate

[Redarmy]

Wenger has questioned Zlatan's age and his capacity to be a great player this year.

Two things. One, as poor as Zlatan may do, I still expect him to score more than dodgy Giroud. Why is Wenger commenting on Zlatan potential problems, when we have a guaranteed problem in a player who is proven to be only decent at best?

Two, why offer extra motivation to Zlatan and Jose - two massive egomaniacs with enormous ability who thrive on those doubting them.

There are certain managers and players who you dont publicly doubt, as it increases thier desire to prove you wrong - and Zlatan and Jose are two of those.

Does Wenger have no foresight? Does he have no understanding of basic football psychology (ie, there are certain players you wont doubt, as they are likely to source extra motivation to prove you wrong). Yet to cap it all off, he is talking about other teams strikers, when we have the worst striker among the top clubs.

He is a fuking muppet who finds new ways to undermine himself and the team. I dont even think the striker and defender are coming. The season is only a week away.

Apart from the numerous defects Wenger has as a manager too many and boring to catalogue, this commenting on other clubs business i find the one of the most annoying

Remember how we paid dearly as regards his "Rugby" comments about stoke....a game incidentally involving Stoke and Spurs?????

[supergeorgegraham]

No I don't buy that for a second. No way is Kronke blameless in all this. All his teams are unsuccessful in terms of titles but they all generate a lot of income. Just wait until Wenger leaves and the next manager does not compete in the transfer market. Then you can still say Kronke is blameless.

There you have it. A Wenger apologists "argument" summed up in one nice little paragraph.
Deflect Wengers incompetence elsewhere and suggest that any manager that replaces him will also fail No-one could do a better job than Arsene. Why?
Well....."because I just dont buy it"

Ok then.

I'm not a Wenger fan. He has gone barking mad if you want my opinion. I just think Arsenal have deeper problems than just Wenger. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us winning the title under a new manager either with Kronke in control.

[armchair]

I'm not a Wenger fan. He has gone barking mad if you want my opinion. I just think Arsenal have deeper problems than just Wenger. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us winning the title under a new manager either with Kronke in control.

No-one is suggesting that a new manager will win the title ffs. Wenger hasnt won it since' 04 remember? Another glorious opportunity presented to him last season and he came up short yet again.

The never-ending cycle needs to be broken. A new managerwill not have Wengers baggage, his failed project hindering him. He'll go all out to succeed. Use all the resources that Kroenke has made available, including transfer money. He wont waffle about dizzying prices and make endless excuses and lies. He wont be in a smug comfort zone, settling for top four and an odd cup. He'll have something to prove and importantly he'll have the backing of all the fans.

The dark cloud of Wenger wont be looming large over us any more and ther'll be light at the end of the dark tunnel we've been trapped in for a decade.

Dunno why some gooners cant or wont see that.
See that change is good and positive and absolutely needs to be done at Arsenal, no-matter if we win titles or not.