THE WENGER THREAD

[officepest]

I agree with you there - but what can we do? They love him - spends hardly anything, top 4, money rolls in. What more can a board ask for? They are as bad as him then..? Right?

Of course they are. The main problem remains though; and that is that Wenger steadfastly refuses to spend what's available.

I'm not advocating having some clueless zealot chairman spending loads on random players and saying "here you go: your new squad, play them or lose your job"; but there has to be some pressure from above to succeed, or at least try to succeed, not just add zeros to the balance sheet.

Wenger has too much power. Far too much.

[officepest]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

[DB10GOONER]

Corrr, the abuse.

So this is how Arsenal fans are to one another?

I've lost count to the number of people who have abused me - why? Because I have an opinion just as much as yours?

First of all, you say I'm not a real fan as I have 10 season tickets? Interesting theory, care to elaborate? Can I not take my dad, brother, sister, son, the whole family to the games? Maybe pass by and say hello - Block 14, 15 and 3 and 46. I am happy to shake your hand and take whatever sh*t you have face to face.

Someone also mentioned that I am a shit manager? Hmmmm.

If you run a business and you have a manager that MAKES YOU money, are you going to complain? Surely, you are going to be happy? So as a business owner, why would you get rid of your manager?

Same principle here. Wenger makes money. It is a simple as that. He has a job to make money for the owners.

We are constantly top 4 - yes we all want to see silverware, there is no denying that. But try seeing it from a business point of view - that is my point. Unless of course you don't have a business, then fair play.

I joined the forum thinking I would get good discussions from it, but f*ck me, there are some serious twats here.

IMHO, Wenger is a good manager for the club. Not necessarily for the fans, but for the club. Yes, maybe his course has run and we need fresh life, but there is no way I would want a manager who just buys success - we would end up being like Chelsea and City - buy our way to success and that isn't what Arsenal is about... or is my opinion going to get berated with abuse again.

Why do AKB's always revert to the worst case scenario to defend Wenger? Why would our next manager automatically have to be a Moron-hio type that has to spend crazy money to buy success? You think there is no middle ground? You think it couldn't be a manager that will spend a reasonable amount to strengthen his team?

Also, I didn't say you were not a real fan because you have 10 ST's. I said "You think having 10 season tickets makes you a genuine fan? It doesn't." As in, there's more to it than that.

Lastly, what you got was hardly abuse. A couple of name callings, which is no big deal, but mostly people picking apart a post that many genuine lifelong Arsenal fans would find offensive. We are not a business. We are a football club. Our football manager should only concern himself with the football team. Nothing else. He should ask the board for as much money as he can get to buy players and the board (and they alone) should decide how much money gets released - the manager then does what he can with that money to build a squad. What a ludicrous concept it is whereby a football manager is told there are funds available, then he looks at the cost of a player and decides not to pursue that player based on his own economic assessment of the cost! The football manager does not have the responsibility of ensuring the financial future of the club! That rests with the owners and directors.

Praising our business acumen is the equivalent of a motoring pundit praising the garage that houses a Ferrari.

[doublewinners1971]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

Agreed - he does have the money at his disposal. But he refuses to spend it - why? Why does he not spend it? Surely, there is a reason behind it, other than just him being stubborn. If he doesn't spend it, the next manager will.

[officepest]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

Agreed - he does have the money at his disposal. But he refuses to spend it - why? Why does he not spend it? Surely, there is a reason behind it, other than just him being stubborn. If he doesn't spend it, the next manager will.

The next manager will be lambasted by Wengerites for “doing a Mourinho” after spending heavily to arrest years of Wenger’s flawed frugality. And spend heavily they'll have to.

The knives will be out early for whoever eventually replaces the crazy old buffoon.

[DB10GOONER]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

Agreed - he does have the money at his disposal. But he refuses to spend it - why? Why does he not spend it? Surely, there is a reason behind it, other than just him being stubborn. If he doesn't spend it, the next manager will.

His stubbornness is the reason. His ego tells him he is operating at a higher level than everyone else - thus his constant opining on other clubs, players, finances and so many things that don't concern him or Arsenal.

[augie]

Cannot understand the snobbery (or whatever you want to call it) of not wanting to be seen to be buying the league - the market has changed and all clubs spend massive money trying to achieve success, so we either accept it or we get left behind cos it is no longer just a chavski or just a Blackburn spending huge money. Anyway, according to those of a higher financial understanding than I, we have over £200m sitting idle in our accounts so if we spent all that this season, it would be money generated by the club and not from a sugar daddy so the buying the league argument isn't applicable imo

[Redarmy]

Moving to that monstrosity is the most tragic decision in Arsenal's history and for long term Arsenal fans it has compounded the other unwelcome changes made to the game in the last 20 odd years.

And the cruellest irony of all? The obscene TV deals mean that there was absolutely no point in moving; none whatsoever.

Hindsight is wonderful and all that, but still.

Never wanted to leave Highbury, its all a fucking con to gentrify the game and get more lovely MONEY

Fuck the die hard fans most of them are sitting in pubs watching the games, whilst the Emirates is full of corporates, and tourists with fucking selfie sticks, or other wankers talking about last nights TV programmes....atmosphere

Fuck the corporate bowl....it will all reverse one day

[northbank123]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

Agreed - he does have the money at his disposal. But he refuses to spend it - why? Why does he not spend it? Surely, there is a reason behind it, other than just him being stubborn. If he doesn't spend it, the next manager will.

Ego, lack of perspective and God complex.

[GoonerN5]

Corrr, the abuse.

So this is how Arsenal fans are to one another?

I've lost count to the number of people who have abused me - why? Because I have an opinion just as much as yours?

First of all, you say I'm not a real fan as I have 10 season tickets? Interesting theory, care to elaborate? Can I not take my dad, brother, sister, son, the whole family to the games? Maybe pass by and say hello - Block 14, 15 and 3 and 46. I am happy to shake your hand and take whatever sh*t you have face to face.

Someone also mentioned that I am a shit manager? Hmmmm.

If you run a business and you have a manager that MAKES YOU money, are you going to complain? Surely, you are going to be happy? So as a business owner, why would you get rid of your manager?

Same principle here. Wenger makes money. It is a simple as that. He has a job to make money for the owners.

We are constantly top 4 - yes we all want to see silverware, there is no denying that. But try seeing it from a business point of view - that is my point. Unless of course you don't have a business, then fair play.

I joined the forum thinking I would get good discussions from it, but f*ck me, there are some serious twats here.

IMHO, Wenger is a good manager for the club. Not necessarily for the fans, but for the club. Yes, maybe his course has run and we need fresh life, but there is no way I would want a manager who just buys success - we would end up being like Chelsea and City - buy our way to success and that isn't what Arsenal is about... or is my opinion going to get berated with abuse again.

No he doesn't. He has a job to try and win trophies.

He should have absolutely no need to worry about making money; that is the job of the board and commercial departments. If Wenger spends too much ( ) then the board should have word with him, he himself shouldn't concern himself with the finances.

The fact he spouts off about it all the time is a smokescreen for his own failures. But you know this, don't you?

I agree with you there - but what can we do? They love him - spends hardly anything, top 4, money rolls in. What more can a board ask for? They are as bad as him then..? Right?

Yes they are all *word censored* together

[goonersid]

Lets just face it lads he's a proper bastard and we're stuck with him and the other bastards that make up the board etc

[Redarmy]

Matt:

I would actually take the argument further. Would you not agree that Wenger's refusal (for whatever reason) to spend what he has available to him amounts to incompetence?

Like a general arming his soldiers with cheap knock-off rifles to keep the logistical corps happy.

Agreed - he does have the money at his disposal. But he refuses to spend it - why? Why does he not spend it? Surely, there is a reason behind it, other than just him being stubborn. If he doesn't spend it, the next manager will.

Ego, lack of perspective and God complex.

I actually wonder if he is sane.....

[Dodgyknee71]

Corrr, the abuse.

So this is how Arsenal fans are to one another?

I've lost count to the number of people who have abused me - why? Because I have an opinion just as much as yours?

First of all, you say I'm not a real fan as I have 10 season tickets? Interesting theory, care to elaborate? Can I not take my dad, brother, sister, son, the whole family to the games? Maybe pass by and say hello - Block 14, 15 and 3 and 46. I am happy to shake your hand and take whatever sh*t you have face to face.

Someone also mentioned that I am a shit manager? Hmmmm.

If you run a business and you have a manager that MAKES YOU money, are you going to complain? Surely, you are going to be happy? So as a business owner, why would you get rid of your manager?

Same principle here. Wenger makes money. It is a simple as that. He has a job to make money for the owners.

We are constantly top 4 - yes we all want to see silverware, there is no denying that. But try seeing it from a business point of view - that is my point. Unless of course you don't have a business, then fair play.

I joined the forum thinking I would get good discussions from it, but f*ck me, there are some serious twats here.

IMHO, Wenger is a good manager for the club. Not necessarily for the fans, but for the club. Yes, maybe his course has run and we need fresh life, but there is no way I would want a manager who just buys success - we would end up being like Chelsea and City - buy our way to success and that isn't what Arsenal is about... or is my opinion going to get berated with abuse again.

[Dodgyknee71]

I wasn't going to reply to the millionaire but one thing is nagging me.... He says buying our way to success isn't the Arsenal way,

Enlighten me to what you perceive to be the Arsenal way please.


I never for the life of me remember the Arsenal way to be fleecing the supporters.

[armchair]

Cowardice. He's afraid to go all out.
If he did and it didn't work out for him his ego wouldn't take it too well.
He's incompetent and a big fat coward.