THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

There you go again......You always do this, support Wenger in a backhanded way. I wish you would have the balls to come out and say that you support him unconditionally instead of constantly making excuses for him. Here once again is the intimation that it is not the manager who is the problem, but the board who has constraints on him. In reality it is the other way around... Wenger is Kroenke's boy, he does his masters bidding, and the board submit to Wenger, not the other way around.

We cannot attract players because I believe players have finally woken up to the fact that Wenger puts profit before trophy's and they will NEVER win anything at Arsenal. It's not attracting a new manager (hell we cannot even get rid of the one we have) that is the problem, the problem is no decent player wants to play for WENGER. And Wenger has helped shape and create the board that HE wants. Once Wenger goes EVERYTHING will change. I concede that Kroenke is a total prat as well, but WENGER has created the culture that is at Arsenal today.

Yes. For me it's just so blindingly obvious that we need a new manager. Wenger has everything at his disposal but continues to fail.
Things will change with a new manager. Nothing will change with a new owner.

But anyway it's his last season so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

[Wilson]

Wenger doesnt work under constraints. He instead chooses this way as he is on a moral crusade to win his own way. He hasnt signed Rob Holding instead of Mustafi because the mean nasty board isnt making the funds available, he signed Holding and played him against Liverpool to show everyone he doesn't need to spend big.

Its called the vanity project. A Wenger hobby that adds no real value or improvement to Arsenal FC.

The idea that Wenger is playing the good shepard, a reluctant partner to the board who just wants to hoard the cash, is just false.

The lack of spending id down to Wenger's ego. And his 'philosophy' and self righteousness holier than though perception of himself.

[supergeorgegraham]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers

? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

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There you go again......You always do this, support Wenger in a backhanded way. I wish you would have the balls to come out and say that you support him unconditionally instead of constantly making excuses for him. Here once again is the intimation that it is not the manager who is the problem, but the board who has constraints on him. In reality it is the other way around... Wenger is Kroenke's boy, he does his masters bidding, and the board submit to Wenger, not the other way around.

We cannot attract players because I believe players have finally woken up to the fact that Wenger puts profit before trophy's and they will NEVER win anything at Arsenal. It's not attracting a new manager (hell we cannot even get rid of the one we have) that is the problem, the problem is no decent player wants to play for WENGER. And Wenger has helped shape and create the board that HE wants. Once Wenger goes EVERYTHING will change. I concede that Kroenke is a total prat as well, but WENGER has created the culture that is at Arsenal today.

Yes. For me it's just so blindingly obvious that we need a new manager. Wenger has everything at his disposal but continues to fail.
Things will change with a new manager. Nothing will change with a new owner.

But anyway it's his last season so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

I have to admit that I think the board and Kronke are a huge reason we have become a profit making business. Firstly the Kronke has no love for the club or the sport and has seen the value of his club sky rocket.
He does not need to sanction huge transfer funds because as a buisness it is working very well as it is.
That said it makes Wenger even worse because he is happy to be in a job where results don't matter because he gets the basics done every season. Only now the fans are finally fed up but he does not care about them

[Gunner Rob]

to lighten the mood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPlQ5nn ... e=youtu.be

[supergeorgegraham]

I was thinking out of all the bad things Wenger has done the worst is he has drummed the excitement out of the fans. One game in and we all know what this season will bring.
I've never been more numb about Arsenal as I am now.
I think it's the worst thing a manger can do. Let your fans become so bored with it all they lose their buzz for the club

[Gunner Rob]

I was thinking out of all the bad things Wenger has done the worst is he has drummed the excitement out of the fans. One game in and we all know what this season will bring.
I've never been more numb about Arsenal as I am now.
I think it's the worst thing a manger can do. Let your fans become so bored with it all they lose their buzz for the club

he has basically killed the hope.

I remember back in the 1980s (when we also had no hope of winning the league to be honest) but there was still that excitement at the start of the season, the hope we could compete for the title which lasted until about November, then some great cup runs (when cups meant a lot more than they do now - and the league a lot less)

back then it was fun to support Arsenal, you felt the club cared about its supporters, and you know that they did things in the right way.
all those things have now been lost, and Wenger's legacy will be that he killed a great football club.

[Redarmy]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

There you go again......You always do this, support Wenger in a backhanded way. I wish you would have the balls to come out and say that you support him unconditionally instead of constantly making excuses for him. Here once again is the intimation that it is not the manager who is the problem, but the board who has constraints on him. In reality it is the other way around... Wenger is Kroenke's boy, he does his masters bidding, and the board submit to Wenger, not the other way around.

We cannot attract players because I believe players have finally woken up to the fact that Wenger puts profit before trophy's and they will NEVER win anything at Arsenal. It's not attracting a new manager (hell we cannot even get rid of the one we have) that is the problem, the problem is no decent player wants to play for WENGER. And Wenger has helped shape and create the board that HE wants. Once Wenger goes EVERYTHING will change. I concede that Kroenke is a total prat as well, but WENGER has created the culture that is at Arsenal today.

Yes. For me it's just so blindingly obvious that we need a new manager. Wenger has everything at his disposal but continues to fail.
Things will change with a new manager. Nothing will change with a new owner.

But anyway it's his last season so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Don't think he has said its his last season, although as we all know his contract expires....that means fuck all
What he said is HE will make a decision at the end of the season

I for one fully expect him to stay

[DB10GOONER]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

There you go again......You always do this, support Wenger in a backhanded way. I wish you would have the balls to come out and say that you support him unconditionally instead of constantly making excuses for him. Here once again is the intimation that it is not the manager who is the problem, but the board who has constraints on him. In reality it is the other way around... Wenger is Kroenke's boy, he does his masters bidding, and the board submit to Wenger, not the other way around.

We cannot attract players because I believe players have finally woken up to the fact that Wenger puts profit before trophy's and they will NEVER win anything at Arsenal. It's not attracting a new manager (hell we cannot even get rid of the one we have) that is the problem, the problem is no decent player wants to play for WENGER. And Wenger has helped shape and create the board that HE wants. Once Wenger goes EVERYTHING will change. I concede that Kroenke is a total prat as well, but WENGER has created the culture that is at Arsenal today.

Yes. For me it's just so blindingly obvious that we need a new manager. Wenger has everything at his disposal but continues to fail.
Things will change with a new manager. Nothing will change with a new owner.

But anyway it's his last season so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Don't think he has said its his last season, although as we all know his contract expires....that means fuck all
What he said is HE will make a decision at the end of the season

I for one fully expect him to stay

Exactly this ^^ 100%.

This blind delusion that Wenger will just walk away next May is just that; blind delusion. I really cannot understand fans that think Wenger will just walk out and a new manager will come in and yippee it will all be magically brilliant again.

NOT.

HAPPENING.

The reason we need the board/owners gone is so that someone can take over that has the balls to sack Wenger because this board will NEVER sack him once he hits the minimum requirement - and Wenger won't walk away and leave Project Ego unfinished.

[Nos89]

Not much about modern Arsenal really angers me anymore - I feel more a sense of hopeless despondency... but Wenger's "not ready" comment is still boiling my piss. How can we not be ready? Why didn't he can the Euro's punditry and spend that time getting us ready?

Imagine your boss asking why the high-profile multi-million pound project he handed you went tits up and you answering; "Well, we weren't ready. I spent the last month or so working for another company and didn't have time to get our thing ready." That would be a sacking right the fuck there.

We weren't ready.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Same here, I know if I used that excuse at work for performing poorly at a given deadline, I'd be taken to a disciplinary or out the door. The board have done nothing but accept it.

[DB10GOONER]

Not much about modern Arsenal really angers me anymore - I feel more a sense of hopeless despondency... but Wenger's "not ready" comment is still boiling my piss. How can we not be ready? Why didn't he can the Euro's punditry and spend that time getting us ready?

Imagine your boss asking why the high-profile multi-million pound project he handed you went tits up and you answering; "Well, we weren't ready. I spent the last month or so working for another company and didn't have time to get our thing ready." That would be a sacking right the fuck there.

We weren't ready.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Same here, I know if I used that excuse at work for performing poorly at a given deadline, I'd be taken to a disciplinary or out the door. The board have done nothing but accept it.

Whilst I agree the board are wrong to accept it, you must also admit that Wenger is in the wrong for actually doing it. We can't just blame the board. Wenger has to also take responsibility for his own actions - and inactions too.

[Nos89]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

Whilst I agree we are now just a business, I disagree that we could not attract a top manager. What real constraints does Wenger work under? He has the dream job; deliver the bare minimum with zero chance of being sacked. The board have said there is money for him to strengthen the team but he chooses not to spend it, so a new manager is unlikely to struggle financially if he wants to buy. One of the few true and non-retarded things to come out of Moronhio's mouth was the comment about Wenger having the dream job. There's no pressure on Wenger to win the PL or CL from the board. All he has to do is deliver the bare minimum and take his millions to the bank. £22,000 a day to deliver fuck all? What manager wouldn't like that?

My ONLY real problems with the board are they have no footballing ambition (unless as a secondary concern to profit and business shit) and they set a shit example that is repeated throughout the club at all levels - and the fact they won't do their job and sack our underperforming (in the proper football sense) manager Arsene Wenger.

The board has let Wenger continue. If I was getting paid £8m a year to deliver the bare minimum, I'd probably do the same. This is why I blame the board more than Wenger for the lack of ambition at the club. After all they are his bosses and the leaders of the club. The board should challenge Wenger but they don't, not because they are scared of him, but because he gives them what they want, Champions League money.

[Nos89]

How is this bloke still your manager?!

Because Arsenal FC doesn't exist anymore. It is now and has been for 10 years a business operation. Wenger maintains a consistent and profitable team, keeping the share holders happy. Customer satisfaction has declined but when has that ever got a senior business partner the sack, whilst revenue consistently increases year on year?
It's that simple really.
Another reason is that no top manager who wants to win titles both domestically or in Europe will ever come to Arsenal whilst this board is in situ. So, all these supporters claiming we will do better without Wenger as we'll get a top manager who will buy the players and coach them into winners, need to think again. If we can't attract Vardy from Leicester, do we really think we can attract one of the world greats managers? Not a chance in hell with the constraints they will be working under.

There you go again......You always do this, support Wenger in a backhanded way. I wish you would have the balls to come out and say that you support him unconditionally instead of constantly making excuses for him. Here once again is the intimation that it is not the manager who is the problem, but the board who has constraints on him. In reality it is the other way around... Wenger is Kroenke's boy, he does his masters bidding, and the board submit to Wenger, not the other way around.

We cannot attract players because I believe players have finally woken up to the fact that Wenger puts profit before trophy's and they will NEVER win anything at Arsenal. It's not attracting a new manager (hell we cannot even get rid of the one we have) that is the problem, the problem is no decent player wants to play for WENGER. And Wenger has helped shape and create the board that HE wants. Once Wenger goes EVERYTHING will change. I concede that Kroenke is a total prat as well, but WENGER has created the culture that is at Arsenal today.

By stating "Wenger is Kroenke's boy" you've just agreed with my argument.
Once Wenger goes, nothing will change whilst we have this board in place.

[begeegs]

By stating "Wenger is Kroenke's boy" you've just agreed with my argument.
Once Wenger goes, nothing will change whilst we have this board in place.

I can't agree with this at all. For one, we will likely bring someone in who actually understands tactical substitutions or tactics. That is Wenger's biggest failing along with not knowing how to get the best out of his players rather than selecting a formation and shoe-horning players into it. You don't need any money for that.

Where I do agree with you is that the board should put pressure on Wenger, but they don't. That is it's biggest failing. However, what does it matter when you have people lining up to grab season tickets? The bottom line is that every game is a sell-out. Why should they change? Hell, if Wenger renewed for 2 more years, people would still renew even if we finish outside the top 4.

[BFG4]

The funny thing about the Wenger situation is that, apart from his clear incompetence, and repetitive mistakes, its his contempt for the fans, that gets to me the most. Can you imagine at any other club, the manager blaming the fans for his own sides shortcomings, and a large section of fans still backing him. No other manager would get away with defending extortionate ticket prices, especially when It has prevented many lifelong fans from attending games anymore. This shows a clear lack of empathy on Wenger's part. I know the AKB'S back him based on sentiment, for what he has done for the club years ago, but do any of them listen to the many disrespectful, and arrogant things he comes out with. I don't think its a stretch to say, Wenger sees the fans as an inconvenience. I'm sure he would be quite happy for the stadium to be full of tourists, who will smile and take pictures, when we are being humiliated.

[Clash]

The funny thing about the Wenger situation is that, apart from his clear incompetence, and repetitive mistakes, its his contempt for the fans, that gets to me the most. Can you imagine at any other club, the manager blaming the fans for his own sides shortcomings, and a large section of fans still backing him. No other manager would get away with defending extortionate ticket prices, especially when It has prevented many lifelong fans from attending games anymore. This shows a clear lack of empathy on Wenger's part. I know the AKB'S back him based on sentiment, for what he has done for the club years ago, but do any of them listen to the many disrespectful, and arrogant things he comes out with. I don't think its a stretch to say, Wenger sees the fans as an inconvenience. I'm sure he would be quite happy for the stadium to be full of tourists, who will smile and take pictures, when we are being humiliated.

I agree mate. Wenger has seems to have blamed everything and everyone except himself over the years. Rich men, poor men, groundsmen, tannoy announcers, fans, young inexperienced players (that he chose), unfit players (that he chose), the sun (for being too bright for Sol Campbell's eyes) .... and once it was even dark forces ,

He also seems to have the view that fans should be unquestionably loyal at all times ... just like a dog. In fairness most of us might have been happy to be that type of fan in the past ... but we have grown tired of being exploited and taken for granted by outsiders like Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke. As comtempible as Peter Hill-Wood is, at least he had some long standing connection with the club.

What Wenger doesnt seem to realise is even the most loyal and docile dog will react if you keep sticking a pin in its testicles (not that I have tried this ). If you keep winding it up, then you cannot complain when it turns on you! Wenger is the biggest wind-up in football and it's time he was savaged by those he has mistreated.