THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

"Super Agent" Jon Smith

I know that I shouldn't be shocked but I look at that story and I just go WOW When you sit back and think about it, it does make perfect sense - we all know that contracts are never just about a set wage and are about bonuses for this and bonuses for that, so really we shouldn't be surprised at this and should really have considered the possibility that this is a factor before now. Maybe you can kinda understand it at smaller clubs where these extra fee's or bonuses can be a real financial burden, but at a club like ours operating a penny pinching policy like this is embarrassing and actually adds credence to the suggestion that le cock is on some sort of financial incentive to make profits

Fcuk this c.unt - the day he leaves OUR club wont be a day too soon, and I will again pledge a serious contribution to any fund set up XXXX XXX accelerate his departure, cos that day cant come soon enough for me

No need to go as far as South America to get an XXXXXX, watch the news, Dublin is full of trackie wearing junkies who would XXX XXX for the price of a fix....only saying

Lads ffs no talk of him being killed - even in jest. You know the rules. It only takes one arsehole to take offense at what is obviously not a serious comment to get us shut down.

AUGIE MADE ME DO IT

You'd think he'd know better by now and - hang on, what the fuck am I talking about? It's augie...

[OneBardGooner]

Cough Cough - Uhhmmm Comrade that'll be "Augiebromovichska " from now on.

And this is Augiebromovichska's favourite T shirt.

[Sean]

I heard this Jon Smith bloke on the last Footballistically Arsenal podcast. Very interesting. He said that Arsenal were (surprisingly) straight-forward to deal with.

I remember the Oxlade thing was discussed on here before. That said, TOF does like his 70th minute subs for his own reasons. He told Alex Fynn (who wrote the book about him) that 'After 70 minutes, I can see they are finished'. Fynn then calls him out for subbing for physical reasons rather than tactical reasons.

I think we mostly agree that TOF is a penny-pinching fraud, but I don't think his 70th minute fixation is purely down to money.

Bear in mind the tax rate is 45% for those earning above £150K per year. So thank the tax rates for the obscene ballooning in football wages.

Surprising to hear about TOF engaging the fans. We can only hope he fucks off in 268 days.

[xisstential]

I heard this Jon Smith bloke on the last Footballistically Arsenal podcast. Very interesting. He said that Arsenal were (surprisingly) straight-forward to deal with.

I remember the Oxlade thing was discussed on here before. That said, TOF does like his 70th minute subs for his own reasons. He told Alex Fynn (who wrote the book about him) that 'After 70 minutes, I can see they are finished'. Fynn then calls him out for subbing for physical reasons rather than tactical reasons.

I think we mostly agree that TOF is a penny-pinching fraud, but I don't think his 70th minute fixation is purely down to money.

Bear in mind the tax rate is 45% for those earning above £150K per year. So thank the tax rates for the obscene ballooning in football wages.

Surprising to hear about TOF engaging the fans. We can only hope he fucks off in 268 days.

[xisstential]

I heard this Jon Smith bloke on the last Footballistically Arsenal podcast. Very interesting. He said that Arsenal were (surprisingly) straight-forward to deal with.

I remember the Oxlade thing was discussed on here before. That said, TOF does like his 70th minute subs for his own reasons. He told Alex Fynn (who wrote the book about him) that 'After 70 minutes, I can see they are finished'. Fynn then calls him out for subbing for physical reasons rather than tactical reasons.

I think we mostly agree that TOF is a penny-pinching fraud, but I don't think his 70th minute fixation is purely down to money.

Bear in mind the tax rate is 45% for those earning above £150K per year. So thank the tax rates for the obscene ballooning in football wages.


Surprising to hear about TOF engaging the fans. We can only hope he fucks off in 268 days.

Somebody told me in some cases,with the real big hitters, the club pays the tax. The 200k PW becomes nett, not gross

[Wilson]

The worst Wenger finance model was the socialist wage structure. His belief in keeping the margins between the lowest earner, and the highest earner as close as possible. He believed that by paying each player relatively similar amounts, it could foster collective responsibility and team harmony. Its how players like Bendtner ended up on 55k a week, Almunia 60k, Squiallci 60k, Diaby 50k, Denilson 50k, Chamahk 60k. And this was before the hyper inflation in the transfer market, so 50-60k week wages was serious money.

The likes of Fabregas, RVP and Nasri were 'only' on 80k a week. So the fact Fabregas was earning almost parity with Almunia was intentional, and not just some miraculous mistake.

This was problematic on two fronts. One, we were stuck with many of the above players for their duration of their contract. Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner, Diaby, Chamahk, Almunia - every one of them left the club when their contracts expired as we simply couldn't sell them, as no other club would pay them what we were paying them. Two, we also handicapped ourselves when resisting other clubs coming in for our top players. Wenger was so committed to the wage strucutre, that he wouldnt break it and offer money that could have tempted any one of Cesc, Nasri or RVP to stay.

It was a self-imposed wage structure that was disastrous. It wasted money, and trapped the bad players in, and opened the gate for the top players to leave (which is what happened). It was so bad, Wenger actually gave up on it. Given Wenger's stubbornness, for him to give up on one of his plans - it must have been pure rubbish to begin with.



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[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

The worst Wenger finance model was the socialist wage structure. His belief in keeping the margins between the lowest earner, and the highest earner as close as possible. He believed that by paying each player relatively similar amounts, it could foster collective responsibility and team harmony. Its how players like Bendtner ended up on 55k a week, Almunia 60k, Squiallci 60k, Diaby 50k, Denilson 50k, Chamahk 60k. And this was before the hyper inflation in the transfer market, so 50-60k week wages was serious money.

The likes of Fabregas, RVP and Nasri were 'only' on 80k a week. So the fact Fabregas was earning almost parity with Almunia was intentional, and not just some miraculous mistake.

This was problematic on two fronts. One, we were stuck with many of the above players for their duration of their contract. Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner, Diaby, Chamahk, Almunia - every one of them left the club when their contracts expired as we simply couldn't sell them, as no other club would pay them what we were paying them. Two, we also handicapped ourselves when resisting other clubs coming in for our top players. Wenger was so committed to the wage strucutre, that he wouldnt break it and offer money that could have tempted any one of Cesc, Nasri or RVP to stay.

It was a self-imposed wage structure that was disastrous. It wasted money, and trapped the bad players in, and opened the gate for the top players to leave (which is what happened). It was so bad, Wenger actually gave up on it. Given Wenger's stubbornness, for him to give up on one of his plans - it must have been pure rubbish to begin with.



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These are very good and important points you made there, especially your comment about the outcome of his wage policy. I have also thought about this a lot and I agree that it was more about wenkers wage policy than financial hindrances why we lost basically all our "star" players and got stuck with dross. Austerity times my ass.

[DB10GOONER]

The worst Wenger finance model was the socialist wage structure. His belief in keeping the margins between the lowest earner, and the highest earner as close as possible. He believed that by paying each player relatively similar amounts, it could foster collective responsibility and team harmony. Its how players like Bendtner ended up on 55k a week, Almunia 60k, Squiallci 60k, Diaby 50k, Denilson 50k, Chamahk 60k. And this was before the hyper inflation in the transfer market, so 50-60k week wages was serious money.

The likes of Fabregas, RVP and Nasri were 'only' on 80k a week. So the fact Fabregas was earning almost parity with Almunia was intentional, and not just some miraculous mistake.

This was problematic on two fronts. One, we were stuck with many of the above players for their duration of their contract. Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner, Diaby, Chamahk, Almunia - every one of them left the club when their contracts expired as we simply couldn't sell them, as no other club would pay them what we were paying them. Two, we also handicapped ourselves when resisting other clubs coming in for our top players. Wenger was so committed to the wage strucutre, that he wouldnt break it and offer money that could have tempted any one of Cesc, Nasri or RVP to stay.

It was a self-imposed wage structure that was disastrous. It wasted money, and trapped the bad players in, and opened the gate for the top players to leave (which is what happened). It was so bad, Wenger actually gave up on it. Given Wenger's stubbornness, for him to give up on one of his plans - it must have been pure rubbish to begin with.



http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/ars ... cture.html

These are very good and important points you made there, especially your comment about the outcome of his wage policy. I have also thought about this a lot and I agree that it was more about wenkers wage policy than financial hindrances why we lost basically all our "star" players and got stuck with dross. Austerity times my ass.

Christ's sake lads, keep up - we've been talking about that for at least 5 or 6 years on here!

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

The worst Wenger finance model was the socialist wage structure. His belief in keeping the margins between the lowest earner, and the highest earner as close as possible. He believed that by paying each player relatively similar amounts, it could foster collective responsibility and team harmony. Its how players like Bendtner ended up on 55k a week, Almunia 60k, Squiallci 60k, Diaby 50k, Denilson 50k, Chamahk 60k. And this was before the hyper inflation in the transfer market, so 50-60k week wages was serious money.

The likes of Fabregas, RVP and Nasri were 'only' on 80k a week. So the fact Fabregas was earning almost parity with Almunia was intentional, and not just some miraculous mistake.

This was problematic on two fronts. One, we were stuck with many of the above players for their duration of their contract. Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner, Diaby, Chamahk, Almunia - every one of them left the club when their contracts expired as we simply couldn't sell them, as no other club would pay them what we were paying them. Two, we also handicapped ourselves when resisting other clubs coming in for our top players. Wenger was so committed to the wage strucutre, that he wouldnt break it and offer money that could have tempted any one of Cesc, Nasri or RVP to stay.

It was a self-imposed wage structure that was disastrous. It wasted money, and trapped the bad players in, and opened the gate for the top players to leave (which is what happened). It was so bad, Wenger actually gave up on it. Given Wenger's stubbornness, for him to give up on one of his plans - it must have been pure rubbish to begin with.



http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/ars ... cture.html

These are very good and important points you made there, especially your comment about the outcome of his wage policy. I have also thought about this a lot and I agree that it was more about wenkers wage policy than financial hindrances why we lost basically all our "star" players and got stuck with dross. Austerity times my ass.

Christ's sake lads, keep up - we've been talking about that for at least 5 or 6 years on here!

Oh well you know, these stories goes around and around and around here year after year so it's impossible to remember anymore which points are fresh and which are recycled. Good post from Wilson anyway.

[Wilson]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

[DB10GOONER]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

Basically, it's down to lazy journalism. Back in the 90's someone mentioned his diploma or whatever it was in Economics, then he had a nice result turning the Anelka spend into a huge windfall for Arsenal and bango - he's an economic genius! Add to that the fact that most journalists in football are not that bright, are fairly lazy, fall back on all the old cliches, and you get a self-propagating myth...

[supergeorgegraham]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

Basically, it's down to lazy journalism. Back in the 90's someone mentioned his diploma or whatever it was in Economics, then he had a nice result turning the Anelka spend into a huge windfall for Arsenal and bango - he's an economic genius! Add to that the fact that most journalists in football are not that bright, are fairly lazy, fall back on all the old cliches, and you get a self-propagating myth...

United signed Pogba for 100 Million from their 800 Million adidas shirt deal. They have also wasted some of it on bad signings but when you manage to secure such a deal you are running your club through you own finances like us and unlike Chelsea and City although Abramovich has slowed down his financing in the last few years.

[DB10GOONER]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

Basically, it's down to lazy journalism. Back in the 90's someone mentioned his diploma or whatever it was in Economics, then he had a nice result turning the Anelka spend into a huge windfall for Arsenal and bango - he's an economic genius! Add to that the fact that most journalists in football are not that bright, are fairly lazy, fall back on all the old cliches, and you get a self-propagating myth...

United signed Pogba for 100 Million from their 800 Million adidas shirt deal. They have also wasted some of it on bad signings but when you manage to secure such a deal you are running your club through you own finances like us and unlike Chelsea and City although Abramovich has slowed down his financing in the last few years.

Sorry - what's that got to do with the Wenger "economic genius" myth?

[Sean]

He probably means that we could have used some of that Puma money (£30-34M per season) to make a marquee signing.

Plus there's the millions we take in on each home game, plus merchandise and kits.

Somebody told me in some cases,with the real big hitters, the club pays the tax. The 200k PW becomes nett, not gross

What greedy bastards

It's about fucking time that a wage and bonus cap was brought in

This skyrocketing TV money is only going to hurt the supporters pockets, whilst players, managers and agents hoover the rest of the money up. Bastards.

[NickF]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

If he's a failure his value won't go up.
Chelsea bought Luiz back for a lot less than they sold him for.