Forest away in league cup

[wibble]

I hope there's tickets left for red members tomorrow, if so I'll take my son as he lives in Notts!

I'm sorry but he is tied up.

Hope your trip goes without a hitch.

Not bad punning, a bit ropy, but not bad...

You're just stringing him along..

I'm not sure it was a pun. I think StuartL might genuinely have him tied up in his basement

[DB10GOONER]

I hope there's tickets left for red members tomorrow, if so I'll take my son as he lives in Notts!

I'm sorry but he is tied up.

Hope your trip goes without a hitch.

Not bad punning, a bit ropy, but not bad...

You're just stringing him along..

It didn't take you long to cotton on to that yarn...

[DB10GOONER]

I hope there's tickets left for red members tomorrow, if so I'll take my son as he lives in Notts!

I'm sorry but he is tied up.

Hope your trip goes without a hitch.

Not bad punning, a bit ropy, but not bad...

You're just stringing him along..

I'm not sure it was a pun. I think StuartL might genuinely have him tied up in his basement

[supergeorgegraham]

Clough and Taylour made Forest a big club forever. 2 back to back European cup wins. Only Man United and Liverpool beat that record. Shame Forest ended up in limbo I always see them as a PremierLeague club.

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Clough and Taylour made Forest a big club forever. 2 back to back European cup wins. Only Man United and Liverpool beat that record. Shame Forest ended up in limbo I always see them as a PremierLeague club.

Agree 100% mate. I've always liked Nottm Forest and would love to see them back in Division 1 (or the Premier League as we have to call it now).

Watched The Damned United again recently - his time at Leeds was spectacularly shite but what Brian Clough (and Peter Taylor) achieved at Derby and then Forest was incredible. To get a team promoted from Division 2, win the League Title next season, win the mighty European Cup the next season and then retain it the next season is an achievement that will never, ever be repeated. It still defies belief.

Great man Cloughie!!

[DB10GOONER]

Clough and Taylour made Forest a big club forever. 2 back to back European cup wins. Only Man United and Liverpool beat that record. Shame Forest ended up in limbo I always see them as a PremierLeague club.

Agree 100% mate. I've always liked Nottm Forest and would love to see them back in Division 1 (or the Premier League as we have to call it now).

Watched The Damned United again recently - his time at Leeds was spectacularly shite but what Brian Clough (and Peter Taylor) achieved at Derby and then Forest was incredible. To get a team promoted from Division 2, win the League Title next season, win the mighty European Cup the next season and then retain it the next season is an achievement that will never, ever be repeated. It still defies belief.

Great man Cloughie!!

It was an epic achievement. But let's not forget that it was under Clough that they then went into serious decline and got relegated. He had stayed way too long with way too much power - his last 10 YEARS as Forest manager only got them 2 League Cups. Cloughie was also alleged to have taken (and given) numerous bungs;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cloug ... 90823.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/clough- ... 99414.html

The misconduct investigation into him by the FA was only dropped because he was seriously ill.

[Sean]

Clough and Taylour made Forest a big club forever. 2 back to back European cup wins. Only Man United and Liverpool beat that record. Shame Forest ended up in limbo I always see them as a PremierLeague club.

Agree 100% mate. I've always liked Nottm Forest and would love to see them back in Division 1 (or the Premier League as we have to call it now).

Watched The Damned United again recently - his time at Leeds was spectacularly shite but what Brian Clough (and Peter Taylor) achieved at Derby and then Forest was incredible. To get a team promoted from Division 2, win the League Title next season, win the mighty European Cup the next season and then retain it the next season is an achievement that will never, ever be repeated. It still defies belief.

Great man Cloughie!!

Amen to that.

I loved Damned United. It was crying out for a sequel where they could do the Forest part of his career.

It was an epic achievement. But let's not forget that it was under Clough that they then went into serious decline and got relegated. He had stayed way too long with way too much power - his last 10 YEARS as Forest manager only got them 2 League Cups. Cloughie was also alleged to have taken (and given) numerous bungs;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cloug ... 90823.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/clough- ... 99414.html

The misconduct investigation into him by the FA was only dropped because he was seriously ill.

I'll have you know the great man got three 3rd Place Trophies in 84, 88 and 89

Other than that they were solidly top half from 83-92. Shame about his last season though. Selling your goalscorers was never going to work out well.

There are some vague similarities to TOF and Clough - early success and tailed off - but Clough could actually WIN the European Cup. Twice.

He would have been done for taking bungs, as George was, had he not been retired.

[DB10GOONER]

Clough and Taylour made Forest a big club forever. 2 back to back European cup wins. Only Man United and Liverpool beat that record. Shame Forest ended up in limbo I always see them as a PremierLeague club.

Agree 100% mate. I've always liked Nottm Forest and would love to see them back in Division 1 (or the Premier League as we have to call it now).

Watched The Damned United again recently - his time at Leeds was spectacularly shite but what Brian Clough (and Peter Taylor) achieved at Derby and then Forest was incredible. To get a team promoted from Division 2, win the League Title next season, win the mighty European Cup the next season and then retain it the next season is an achievement that will never, ever be repeated. It still defies belief.

Great man Cloughie!!

Amen to that.

I loved Damned United. It was crying out for a sequel where they could do the Forest part of his career.

It was an epic achievement. But let's not forget that it was under Clough that they then went into serious decline and got relegated. He had stayed way too long with way too much power - his last 10 YEARS as Forest manager only got them 2 League Cups. Cloughie was also alleged to have taken (and given) numerous bungs;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cloug ... 90823.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/clough- ... 99414.html

The misconduct investigation into him by the FA was only dropped because he was seriously ill.

I'll have you know the great man got three 3rd Place Trophies in 84, 88 and 89

Other than that they were solidly top half from 83-92. Shame about his last season though. Selling your goalscorers was never going to work out well.

There are some vague similarities to TOF and Clough - early success and tailed off - but Clough could actually WIN the European Cup. Twice.

He would have been done for taking bungs, as George was, had he not been retired.

And Wenger has finished solidly top half also for a decade - indeed top 4 every season as the AKB love to point out - is that now acceptable as the benchmark for being a "great man"?

Three third place finishes in a decade? He also finished 12th, 9th (twice), 8th (4 times) and 22nd during that period. Imagine the carry on here if Wenger did that? If anything Clough's decline is even worse than Wenger's decline - to go from winning the league and back to back European Cups to relegation is a serious decline. Do you not think it's a bit of a double standard to criticise Wenger (rightly) for not winning the league for a decade but then to portray Clough's final decade at Forest as anything other than serious decline?

[Sean]

And Wenger has finished solidly top half also for a decade - indeed top 4 every season as the AKB love to point out - is that now acceptable as the benchmark for being a "great man"?

Three third place finishes in a decade? He also finished 12th, 9th (twice), 8th (4 times) and 22nd during that period. Imagine the carry on here if Wenger did that? If anything Clough's decline is even worse than Wenger's decline - to go from winning the league and back to back European Cups to relegation is a serious decline. Do you not think it's a bit of a double standard to criticise Wenger (rightly) for not winning the league for a decade but then to portray Clough's final decade at Forest as anything other than serious decline?

I'm just teasing

I'd say 76-80 qualifies him as a great manager and automatically puts him ahead of our fraud in the management stakes. Of course there was no fourth place trophy and the European Cup hadn't been watered down to the weak piss it forms today. I'm sure Forest didn't fleece their fans in the 80s either and always tried to win things (89 and 90 League Cup winners - finalists 91 FA Cup and 92 League Cup). It's obviously correct that Clough's decline was worse compared to TOF, although the relegation capped it off.

Were there any serious calls for Clough's head before the relegation season? During it? It's before my time, admittedly.

I don't think there's much doubt that had there not been a fourth place trophy (money league) for TOF to 'aspire' for, he wouldn't have lasted this long. The stadium move gave him the perfect cover to start his vanity projects and he always had a built-in excuse for failure.

Anyway, it's sad to see Forest dicking around in the Championship under some crazy foreign owner. Such is football these days.

[Henry Norris 1913]

it's also worth bearing in mind that while cloughie might have won the old european cup twice, he never qualified 22 times in a row, and never had to take on superheavyweights of europe such as celtic, udinese, or fenerbahce in any preliminary rounds

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[Almunia is a clown]

Whilst under Clough Forest had a golden age, they are not a club with large support.

Clough even mentioned the ground not even been full every game despite being under 40K capacity during the height of his success. Analysts mentioned at the time that their potential "catchment area" of support was smaller than many clubs in the top leagues.

They are at 20th place in the 20th Century league table, they have gone further backwards in the 21st century.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 33020.html

20th place in England's biggest clubs

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/50-bi ... l-graphic/

[greengooner]

Forest on the verge of signing ex-Arsenal and current mental bas**rd mr n bentner.....be afraid be very afraid....if you own a taxi in Nottingham

[GranadaJoe]

Forest on the verge of signing ex-Arsenal and current mental bas**rd mr n bentner.....be afraid be very afraid....if you own a taxi in Nottingham

I think I can hear sobbing from the Sunderland area.

[greengooner]

Forest on the verge of signing ex-Arsenal and current mental bas**rd mr n bentner.....be afraid be very afraid....if you own a taxi in Nottingham

I think I can hear sobbing from the Sunderland area.

[Nick Bendtners Ego]

Forest on the verge of signing ex-Arsenal and current mental bas**rd mr n bentner.....be afraid be very afraid....if you own a taxi in Nottingham

I think I can hear sobbing from the Sunderland area.

Be happy.......be very very happy if you own a fast food joint