The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Chippy]

I'd actually like to know what the Pro/Anti EU split is across the whole populace of Europe because i have a feeling it is not only some Brits who are disillusioned with the EU.

You are absolutely right. There is a lot wrong with the EU and it needs to change.

A rerun of the Austrian Presidential election where the right wing candidate only lost by a few 100,000 votes is worrying, the rise of the Nationalists in France where Marine Le Pen is looking incredibly strong is even more worrying. Add to that reports of strong nationalist voting in other parts of Europe regularly but you know lets all keep reading the Guardian's liberal bollocks day in day out and ignore what appears to be an increasingly frustrated European population.

Personally I am very worried about this. It was the point of Cameron's argument about avoiding wars. The EU has prevented wars for longer than other period of time in the history of northern Europe (think about that). If those *word censored* get elected we could be on a very slippery slope.

Just one more thing for the hard of understanding, being worried over job security, health service availability, school places for your kids, lack of housing etc is not racism when it directly effects your local area, go read some Eastern European news outlets and you'll soon realise it's not just Brits who are worried over these things and we haven't even had a small proportion of the influx of refugees/migrants those countries have.

Two points. It is very clear from all the research since the debate, that one of the main driving forces for brexit was xenophobia. Secondly the main reason for the those problems you outline has been the Tory policy of austerity not immigration. Immigrants contribute far more than they take out.

Many of the recent arrivals to our shores have effectively been pushed out of their own countries due to the huge influx and it wont stop because of the EU's inability to deal with it effectively, do any of you genuinely believe for example that all the Syrians who have fled their war torn country to Europe will suddenly want to go back when it is over, christ almighty I wouldn't, why would they?

This is of course total cobblers. The biggest single migrant group into the UK is the Polish. Just topped 1,000,000, but they take the fewest migrants of any country. BTW we have taken in about 2,000 Syrian refugees. hardly a flood.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20076.html

[Chippy]

Oh and Brexiteers finally admitting £350m for the NHS was a lie and David Davis realising that he hadn't got a clue tonight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... -most-com/

[Chippy]

[Red Snapper]

Two points. It is very clear from all the research since the debate, that one of the main driving forces for brexit was xenophobia.

Chippy, regarding this line from your post. Do you believe that 17.4 million people in this country are xenophobic or do you think that perhaps it's more likely they are slightly concerned by the quantity of immigrants? I know plenty of people who voted for Brexit, none of whom fear foreigners.

[A11M11]

Very good , hope you didn't spend too much time on such a futile exercise. Until we actually cut our ties and say Au Revoir , we don't have that money to spend anywhere . I am totally committed to the NHS just one of my reasons for the way I voted . The problem lies with where we spend our money ""http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nh ... g-compared "" Whilst May and Hunt are running the show we will see no change , they want it privatised , as do the drug moguls and the Americans , no doubt insurance companies also.

[A11M11]

What's more : most of the problems she is facing stems from the fact that her party are not on board with the Brexit concept as in fact neither is she. Whilst for whatever their reasons they are scared to step foot outside the single market we will always be dragging our feet to the conclusion and the only ones to suffer will be ourselves. It's bit like a football match in one way remain lost narrowly I suppose , but leave got the points. It's down to the politicians to do the bidding of the people . Not ignore it bleating that either they know best or are they too scared to face up to a reality that they did not want.

[gazzatt2]

Have our two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

[DB10GOONER]

Have out two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

Can we leave out the name calling, do you think? That kind of childish rubbish will only escalate on a contentious thread like this one.

[gazzatt2]

Have out two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

Can we leave out the name calling, do you think? That kind of childish rubbish will only escalate on a contentious thread like this one.

Really you call me out on that when some people have been called retarded In this thread ?

[DB10GOONER]

Have out two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

Can we leave out the name calling, do you think? That kind of childish rubbish will only escalate on a contentious thread like this one.

Really you call me out on that when some people have been called retarded In this thread ?

Firstly, cool your jets - no one is "calling you out".

Secondly, no one on this thread has called another poster "retarded". One poster posted this comment; "With regards to property and pensions, most people do have pensions and the government has made workplace pensions compulsory anyway. Anyone who says their property is their pension is pretty retarded anyway in my opinion."

We don't want to over-mod this forum, but we do have rules on personal abuse. So the less name calling (and I don't mean in jest before you mention a load of unconnected shit on other threads) the better, as there is less chance of it developing into personal abuse.

This is a contentious thread, politics always is on here, so we just ask that those that wish to participate in this thread be respectful to the other participants.

[DB10GOONER]

What I still cannot believe is that anyone would vote on anything in agreement with Boris Johnson.

What I also still cannot believe is that, as part of his Brexit campaign, this idiot quoted the long since disproved Euro-myth about the EU wanting to "ban Prawn Cocktail flavoured crisps" .

Turns out his sister Rachel did not after all get all of the brains in that family - she quoted the Euro-myth that there are 26,911 words of European Union regulation on the sale of cabbage...

And the poor mare looks like Boris in drag.

[gazzatt2]

Have out two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

Can we leave out the name calling, do you think? That kind of childish rubbish will only escalate on a contentious thread like this one.

Really you call me out on that when some people have been called retarded In this thread ?

Firstly, cool your jets - no one is "calling you out".

Secondly, no one on this thread has called another poster "retarded". One poster posted this comment; "With regards to property and pensions, most people do have pensions and the government has made workplace pensions compulsory anyway. Anyone who says their property is their pension is pretty retarded anyway in my opinion."

We don't want to over-mod this forum, but we do have rules on personal abuse. So the less name calling (and I don't mean in jest before you mention a load of unconnected shit on other threads) the better, as there is less chance of it developing into personal abuse.

This is a contentious thread, politics always is on here, so we just ask that those that wish to participate in this thread be respectful to the other participants.

so let me get this clear it is ok on this forum to call an unnamed poster or group of people retarded ?

[DB10GOONER]

Have out two sulking remainers seen the interview with James Dyson ?

Can we leave out the name calling, do you think? That kind of childish rubbish will only escalate on a contentious thread like this one.

Really you call me out on that when some people have been called retarded In this thread ?

Firstly, cool your jets - no one is "calling you out".

Secondly, no one on this thread has called another poster "retarded". One poster posted this comment; "With regards to property and pensions, most people do have pensions and the government has made workplace pensions compulsory anyway. Anyone who says their property is their pension is pretty retarded anyway in my opinion."

We don't want to over-mod this forum, but we do have rules on personal abuse. So the less name calling (and I don't mean in jest before you mention a load of unconnected shit on other threads) the better, as there is less chance of it developing into personal abuse.

This is a contentious thread, politics always is on here, so we just ask that those that wish to participate in this thread be respectful to the other participants.

so let me get this clear it is ok on this forum to call an unnamed poster or group of people retarded ?

Jesus fucking Christ. What is it with some of you people? You were asked simply not to call other posters names so as to avoid it getting into personal abuse. Is that really that difficult for you?

We really don't give much of a shit what language is used on here in general posting. The only thing we have been asked by the owners to stay on top of is personal abuse and anything overtly homophobic or racist - the type of stuff that could get the forum shut down. If someone wants to use the word "retarded" randomly then it's not the end of the world.

[the playing mantis]

I'd actually like to know what the Pro/Anti EU split is across the whole populace of Europe because i have a feeling it is not only some Brits who are disillusioned with the EU.

You are absolutely right. There is a lot wrong with the EU and it needs to change.

A rerun of the Austrian Presidential election where the right wing candidate only lost by a few 100,000 votes is worrying, the rise of the Nationalists in France where Marine Le Pen is looking incredibly strong is even more worrying. Add to that reports of strong nationalist voting in other parts of Europe regularly but you know lets all keep reading the Guardian's liberal bollocks day in day out and ignore what appears to be an increasingly frustrated European population.

Personally I am very worried about this. It was the point of Cameron's argument about avoiding wars. The EU has prevented wars for longer than other period of time in the history of northern Europe (think about that). If those *word censored* get elected we could be on a very slippery slope.

Just one more thing for the hard of understanding, being worried over job security, health service availability, school places for your kids, lack of housing etc is not racism when it directly effects your local area, go read some Eastern European news outlets and you'll soon realise it's not just Brits who are worried over these things and we haven't even had a small proportion of the influx of refugees/migrants those countries have.

Two points. It is very clear from all the research since the debate, that one of the main driving forces for brexit was xenophobia. Secondly the main reason for the those problems you outline has been the Tory policy of austerity not immigration. Immigrants contribute far more than they take out.

Many of the recent arrivals to our shores have effectively been pushed out of their own countries due to the huge influx and it wont stop because of the EU's inability to deal with it effectively, do any of you genuinely believe for example that all the Syrians who have fled their war torn country to Europe will suddenly want to go back when it is over, christ almighty I wouldn't, why would they?

This is of course total cobblers. The biggest single migrant group into the UK is the Polish. Just topped 1,000,000, but they take the fewest migrants of any country. BTW we have taken in about 2,000 Syrian refugees. hardly a flood.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20076.html

which research? the research that got inside all the millions of peoples minds and swa exactly what they were thinking? or is it just some more left wing rubbish chippy?

the eu hasn't prevented wars, what cobblers. a common foe in USSR/Russia caused a mostly united europe, and by the time they collapsed, the modern world and NATO have made wars between developed 1st world nations nigh on impossible for myriad reasons. the eu didnt stop the balkans war, crimea, but neither did nato. however its immature to suggest the eu has crated peace in europe as it blatantly hasnt. over supranational entities, a common foe and modern attitudes have.

immigration contributes more economically? according to some studies, yes. but others suggest not. we can all find studies to support both sides of that argument. non economically is another matter, but that's probably xenophobic to think in non economic terms i suppose, over population, cultural erosion, lack of intergration etc.

[StuartL]

I'd actually like to know what the Pro/Anti EU split is across the whole populace of Europe because i have a feeling it is not only some Brits who are disillusioned with the EU.

You are absolutely right. There is a lot wrong with the EU and it needs to change.

A rerun of the Austrian Presidential election where the right wing candidate only lost by a few 100,000 votes is worrying, the rise of the Nationalists in France where Marine Le Pen is looking incredibly strong is even more worrying. Add to that reports of strong nationalist voting in other parts of Europe regularly but you know lets all keep reading the Guardian's liberal bollocks day in day out and ignore what appears to be an increasingly frustrated European population.

Personally I am very worried about this. It was the point of Cameron's argument about avoiding wars. The EU has prevented wars for longer than other period of time in the history of northern Europe (think about that). If those *word censored* get elected we could be on a very slippery slope.

Just one more thing for the hard of understanding, being worried over job security, health service availability, school places for your kids, lack of housing etc is not racism when it directly effects your local area, go read some Eastern European news outlets and you'll soon realise it's not just Brits who are worried over these things and we haven't even had a small proportion of the influx of refugees/migrants those countries have.

Two points. It is very clear from all the research since the debate, that one of the main driving forces for brexit was xenophobia. Secondly the main reason for the those problems you outline has been the Tory policy of austerity not immigration. Immigrants contribute far more than they take out.

Many of the recent arrivals to our shores have effectively been pushed out of their own countries due to the huge influx and it wont stop because of the EU's inability to deal with it effectively, do any of you genuinely believe for example that all the Syrians who have fled their war torn country to Europe will suddenly want to go back when it is over, christ almighty I wouldn't, why would they?

This is of course total cobblers. The biggest single migrant group into the UK is the Polish. Just topped 1,000,000, but they take the fewest migrants of any country. BTW we have taken in about 2,000 Syrian refugees. hardly a flood.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20076.html

which research? the research that got inside all the millions of peoples minds and swa exactly what they were thinking? or is it just some more left wing rubbish chippy?

the eu hasn't prevented wars, what cobblers. a common foe in USSR/Russia caused a mostly united europe, and by the time they collapsed, the modern world and NATO have made wars between developed 1st world nations nigh on impossible for myriad reasons. the eu didnt stop the balkans war, crimea, but neither did nato. however its immature to suggest the eu has crated peace in europe as it blatantly hasnt. over supranational entities, a common foe and modern attitudes have.

immigration contributes more economically? according to some studies, yes. but others suggest not. we can all find studies to support both sides of that argument. non economically is another matter, but that's probably xenophobic to think in non economic terms i suppose, over population, cultural erosion, lack of intergration etc.

I guess I look at things simply

We are a small island with resources that struggle to cope with our current population, travel infrastructure, affordable homes, fresh water, schools, doctors, dentists, hospitals, all stretched to the limit.
Can we carry on bringing in more and more people, ( from wherever) when we don't look after our own pensioners, servicemen, etc.

Paying more Into the pot to help out Greece, and others is unsustainable, there will be no end to it ,especially with further expansion planned.

Would anyone volunteer to pay my rent month in month out if I couldn't cover it ?