The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Chippy]

Mrs May told MPs any deal would aim for "maximum possible access to the single market", but added she was "absolutely clear that the British people" wanted "maximum control" over immigration.

Anyway I'm glad it wasn't about immigration, ohhh...

[flash gunner]

And no doubt I will be called arrogant amongst other things for pointing out that I said this in the lead up to the referendum, but this is one of the major ramifications of leaving the EU. Today petrol, tomorrow food and all other basic staples.

The price of oil is under $60 a barrel at the moment, you can be sure it was much higher than that the last time petrol prices where circa £1.20 a litre. That is the currency effect in a nutshell.

The currency was lower in 2009 and 2013 Brexit effect then? Just asking

Against which currency? I assume you are talking about the Euro. The whole point of the TRADE weighted index it is specifically designed to look at the pound versus or TRADing partners.

Was lower v the Euro anyone know why at those specific times?

Greece

The £ lower due to Greece? Surely that would make the Euro lower!!!

[nut flush gooner]

https://www.ft.com/content/78478eee-e17 ... 8a98f2f9bd

Saw petrol today at £1.19.9 per litre.

Getting back control seems to amount to giving it all to 4 people. Sod parliament.

Going swimmingly guys..

And no doubt I will be called arrogant amongst other things for pointing out that I said this in the lead up to the referendum, but this is one of the major ramifications of leaving the EU. Today petrol, tomorrow food and all other basic staples.

The price of oil is under $60 a barrel at the moment, you can be sure it was much higher than that the last time petrol prices where circa £1.20 a litre. That is the currency effect in a nutshell.

The currency was lower in 2009 and 2013 Brexit effect then? Just asking

Against which currency? I assume you are talking about the Euro. The whole point of the TRADE weighted index it is specifically designed to look at the pound versus or TRADing partners.

Was lower v the Euro anyone know why at those specific times?

What has the Euro got to do with petrol prices? The Euro is only relevant against goods we import from think about it, yes Europe. Over the last year the Pound vs Euro has fallen from €1.45 to €1.10. So for European goods you are already facing price rises of over 20%. On what basis are you making your claims about the Euro, Thomas Cook when you picked up your holiday currency by any chance.

I haven't even looked up the historical euro exchange rate but I am sure if I pull off a graph it will show a slump during the banking crisis then a surge when our economy outperformed during the period 2011-15. All that being part of the EU, we all know what happened since June 24.

[flash gunner]

I haven't even looked up the historical euro exchange rate.

Surely before you quote someone saying they are shit you check the facts?


Fuck me for someone so supposedly intelligent

If you want to talk about the fall of the value of the pound then it will be compared to the currency/currencies it has fallen against, the pound has fallen against the Euro but it was lower against the Euro in 2009 and 2013.......

This is nothing to do with the Dollar, Yen, GDP, the FBI or MFI just a simple comparison of currencies and a wondering why it was lower pre Brexit..... No arguments about who was right or wrong or who is the most intelligent with the best job, just a simple observation and conversation

[nut flush gooner]

I haven't even looked up the historical euro exchange rate.

Surely before you quote someone saying they are shit you check the facts?


Fuck me for someone so supposedly intelligent

If you want to talk about the fall of the value of the pound then it will be compared to the currency/currencies it has fallen against, the pound has fallen against the Euro but it was lower against the Euro in 2009 and 2013.......

This is nothing to do with the Dollar, Yen, GDP, the FBI or MFI just a simple comparison of currencies and a wondering why it was lower pre Brexit..... No arguments about who was right or wrong or who is the most intelligent with the best job, just a simple observation and conversation

My comment was based on looking at the pound versus the dollar and euro over a number of years, as you have been very specific I will now check to see if your quote stacks up, god help you if it doesn't.

Edit:

12 Oct 2009 £/Euro =1.07
16 Oct 2013 £/Euro = 1.18
19 Oct 2015 £/Euro = 1.36
Today £/Euro = 1.10

So in the space of 3 months we have undone pretty much the growth in the currency over the last 7 years, also your quote about the currency being lower in 2009/2013 is right in 2009 but wrong in 2013. Those are the facts.........

As chippy said it isn't just the Euro currency exchange rate that is a problem it's a basket of currencies that you should look at. But if you want to single out one currency look at the dollar for which the pound has been slowly falling over the last ten years, but clobbered since the referendum.

[nut flush gooner]

To get a real world perspective on the currency effect, here is an article about Tesco's having a battle with Unilever who want to put up the price of their goods.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tesco-pulls-u ... 37746.html

Basically Tesco's is refusing to put the price up of Unilever manufactured goods, something has to give. That is the price pressure that has already been created by Brexit in addition to the spike in petrol prices.

Marmite, you either love it or hate it .............

[Gunner Rob]

I will say it again, and I still can't believe it.
if you voted LEAVE then you voted for yourself to be worse off.

it must be the first case of a country self harming itself.
everything "project fear" said, is and will become reality.

[DB10GOONER]

I will say it again, and I still can't believe it.
if you voted LEAVE then you voted for yourself to be worse off.

it must be the first case of a country self harming itself.
everything "project fear" said, is and will become reality.

[DB10GOONER]

As an outsider (that's a dirty foreigner to you Brexitters! ) looking in, I get the impression that a sizable number of Brexitters honestly believe that financially the UK would be better off in the long term by getting out of the EU. And they voted with genuine belief in that. I don't think those people alone would have carried the vote though.

I think what pushed the vote over the the line was the moronic lowbrow racists and xenophobes that jumped on the "Leave" campaign. So I don't think there is just one type of Brexitter, which is the impression a certain portion of your media is trying to give.

[flash gunner]

I dont agree DB10. i dont think there is a big racist element or even a medium sized one i think a lot of Brexiteers unhappiness in the EU is down to

Firstly and the biggest factor IMO the uncontrolled flow of unskilled migrant workers which has forced wages down for the lower paid people especially young people in Britain, i recently have got involved in youth work and nearly all of the youth workers i know (a bigger bunch of left wing social worker types you wont ever meet) all voted out due to the problems the young people they work with face days after day. Now some of my friends say thing like 'well my son left school started an apprenticeship earns £200 and never had a problem' etc etc etc but there mare many young people that don't have the guidance or intelligence that my friends kids have had and many of these types of people struggle and voted out. This IMO is NOT racism

also

the hatred of the bureaucratic un-elected style of many of the senior people within the EU hierarchy many of whom are failed politicians within their own countries (Neil Kinnock is a quick one that comes to mind)

Thing will be rough for 2-5 years no doubt with crashes and rises followed by more crashes but i think things will settle in time

The problem with referendums like this is there is so much misinformation by both sides its hard to know whats for the best. As shown on this thread Chippy, Nutty have such strong views backed up links from experts and others have strong views the other way backed up by links from experts There is no way of ever knowing the best outcome except in 10/20 years time.

I think a true socialist will not like the EU (like Corbyn and i genuinely like the bloke) with all its undemocratic leaders and boys club for big business while fucking over the poorly paid at the very bottom of the ladder but the problem is that means socialists have to side with right wingers like Farage and they cant stomach that either so the lesser of two hatreds win out and socialists become remainers

[Herd]

I dont agree DB10. i dont think there is a big racist element or even a medium sized one i think a lot of Brexiteers unhappiness in the EU is down to

Firstly and the biggest factor IMO the uncontrolled flow of unskilled migrant workers which has forced wages down for the lower paid people especially young people in Britain, i recently have got involved in youth work and nearly all of the youth workers i know (a bigger bunch of left wing social worker types you wont ever meet) all voted out due to the problems the young people they work with face days after day. Now some of my friends say thing like 'well my son left school started an apprenticeship earns £200 and never had a problem' etc etc etc but there mare many young people that don't have the guidance or intelligence that my friends kids have had and many of these types of people struggle and voted out. This IMO is NOT racism

I think a true socialist will not like the EU (like Corbyn and i genuinely like the bloke) with all its undemocratic leaders and boys club for big business while fucking over the poorly paid at the very bottom of the ladder but the problem is that means socialists have to side with right wingers like Farage and they cant stomach that either so the lesser of two hatreds win out and socialists become remainers

Agree with the sentiment here , there are many I know on low wages that have been appalled at the social housing bieng handed out to recent arrival families from the EU and Non eu whilst UK people cant even get social housing and are bieng forced out of London because they cant affrod the rents !
They voted leave too and I dont think thats racism either.

[nut flush gooner]

Who would have thought Brexit and BO fall in the same sentence.

Unilever manufacture Lynx Deodorants.

Brings a new meaning to the "Lynx effect".

[DB10GOONER]

I dont agree DB10. i dont think there is a big racist element or even a medium sized one i think a lot of Brexiteers unhappiness in the EU is down to

Firstly and the biggest factor IMO the uncontrolled flow of unskilled migrant workers which has forced wages down for the lower paid people especially young people in Britain, i recently have got involved in youth work and nearly all of the youth workers i know (a bigger bunch of left wing social worker types you wont ever meet) all voted out due to the problems the young people they work with face days after day. Now some of my friends say thing like 'well my son left school started an apprenticeship earns £200 and never had a problem' etc etc etc but there mare many young people that don't have the guidance or intelligence that my friends kids have had and many of these types of people struggle and voted out. This IMO is NOT racism

I didn't say there was a "big" racist element, mate (or even a "medium" sized one!).

The vote was tight - 52% to 48% - if I remember correctly? The people you mention above would be the type of people I listed in the first group, the ones with "genuine" concerns about the economy and uncontrolled immigration. And no I do not consider someone with concerns about uncontrolled immigration a racist.

But I don't think anyone can deny that a certain "unknown" percentage of those that voted for Brexit did so with a xenophobic or racist agenda. Christ, I think SlyNews found and interviewed most of them the next day!! I think that unknown percentage might have carried the day for Brexit. But that doesn't mean it was the only factor obviously. It might have just been enough to get the result. Maybe.

My point was that not all Brexitters were of that ilk...

[arseofacrow]

If I'd known marmite shortages would be a result of Brexit, I'd have voted leave.

[flash gunner]

Who would have thought Brexit and BO fall in the same sentence.

Unilever manufacture Lynx Deodorants.

Brings a new meaning to the "Lynx effect".

We'll have to stick to good old British soap and water like the old days (or nowadays up north)

Yes i was meant to sound like Al Murrays landlord