THE WENGER THREAD

[Redarmy]

More proof today as if we needed it, of his management style, (describing it as paradise for the players) this time from Edu.....

"He treated me like a son when I lost my sister, he was a guy that embraced not only me but my entire family"


Basically he is probably a decent guy just fucking useless at his job....

[Midz]

Basically he is probably a decent guy just fucking useless at his job....

You could delete this entire thread and just leave the above.

[OneBardGooner]

Basically he is probably a decent guy just fucking useless at his job....

You could delete this entire thread and just leave the above.

But, But,,,, ......but...

Good Idea.

But in doing so - would that mean wenger no longer was manager and so we by creating this mountainous thread would be able to spend more time 'doing other stuff'...like supporting a new manger , you know one who knows what the is doing and who actually knows what the fuck tactics are.

#WENGEROUT = Freedom for the Gooner WOB Masses

[Wilson]

I think some fans are beyond irrational. How can anyone not care abut Bellerin, Sanchez and Ozil futures?

Ive heard some fans say why dont care if Bellerin goes to Barcelona, or worse, Man City, because he is 'only a right back' and we have Carl Jenkinson. These people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said before, the club dosnt have to stand still until Wenger's future is sorted. One of the criticisms of Wenger, is that he is perceived to be more important than the club, yet we have some fans on here such as One Bard Gooner who wants contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone. In effect, saying the club must halt all future planning until Wenger is gone.

Yeah, lets twiddle our thumbs in the months ahead, and do nothing. As opposed to trying to extend the contracts of three players who wouldnt look out of place at Barcelona, Bayern or Real Madrid.

But just on Bellerin. How fuking thick are some of you to disregard his ability and importance to the team? Flat back 4's are over - unless your David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis. Bellerin is being coveted by both Pep and Barcelona.

If you loathe being a selling club with no ambition - why take a non caring approach to Bellerin, or Sanchez or Ozil for that matter? You have no right to criticize the club for lack of ambition, when at the same time you criticize the club for trying to offer big money to keep these three players.

Some fans are all over the place with their criticism. There is a difference between coherent criticism, and being a self loathing Arsenal fan.

Far too many of you are offering incoherent criticism that is full of self contradictions. For example I just cannot comprehend those who dont care about Bellerin, and couldnt give a toss if he ended up at Man City, yet at the same same criticize the club for lacking ambition and being too happy to sell players to rivals.

[StuartL]

I think some fans are beyond irrational. How can anyone not care abut Bellerin, Sanchez and Ozil futures?

Ive heard some fans say why dont care if Bellerin goes to Barcelona, or worse, Man City, because he is 'only a right back' and we have Carl Jenkinson. These people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said before, the club dosnt have to stand still until Wenger's future is sorted. One of the criticisms of Wenger, is that he is perceived to be more important than the club, yet we have some fans on here such as One Bard Gooner who wants contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone. In effect, saying the club must halt all future planning until Wenger is gone.

Yeah, lets twiddle our thumbs in the months ahead, and do nothing. As opposed to trying to extend the contracts of three players who wouldnt look out of place at Barcelona, Bayern or Real Madrid.

But just on Bellerin. How fuking thick are some of you to disregard his ability and importance to the team? Flat back 4's are over - unless your David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis. Bellerin is being coveted by both Pep and Barcelona.


If you loathe being a selling club with no ambition - why take a non caring approach to Bellerin, or Sanchez or Ozil for that matter? You have no right to criticize the club for lack of ambition, when at the same time you criticize the club for trying to offer big money to keep these three players.

Some fans are all over the place with their criticism. There is a difference between coherent criticism, and being a self loathing Arsenal fan.

Far too many of you are offering incoherent criticism that is full of self contradictions. For example I just cannot comprehend those who dont care about Bellerin, and couldnt give a toss if he ended up at Man City, yet at the same same criticize the club for lacking ambition and being too happy to sell players to rivals.

I want our best players here long after Wenker err has departed and those 3 certainly fit that category.....

It gives the new manager the best chance to hit the ground running and silence any WKB with their who else is there attitude.

[OneBardGooner]

I think some fans are beyond irrational. How can anyone not care abut Bellerin, Sanchez and Ozil futures?

Ive heard some fans say why dont care if Bellerin goes to Barcelona, or worse, Man City, because he is 'only a right back' and we have Carl Jenkinson. These people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said before, the club dosnt have to stand still until Wenger's future is sorted. One of the criticisms of Wenger, is that he is perceived to be more important than the club, yet we have some fans on here such as One Bard Gooner who wants contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone. In effect, saying the club must halt all future planning until Wenger is gone.

Yeah, lets twiddle our thumbs in the months ahead, and do nothing. As opposed to trying to extend the contracts of three players who wouldnt look out of place at Barcelona, Bayern or Real Madrid.

But just on Bellerin. How fuking thick are some of you to disregard his ability and importance to the team? Flat back 4's are over - unless your David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis. Bellerin is being coveted by both Pep and Barcelona.

If you loathe being a selling club with no ambition - why take a non caring approach to Bellerin, or Sanchez or Ozil for that matter? You have no right to criticize the club for lack of ambition, when at the same time you criticize the club for trying to offer big money to keep these three players.

Some fans are all over the place with their criticism. There is a difference between coherent criticism, and being a self loathing Arsenal fan.

Far too many of you are offering incoherent criticism that is full of self contradictions. For example I just cannot comprehend those who dont care about Bellerin, and couldnt give a toss if he ended up at Man City, yet at the same same criticize the club for lacking ambition and being too happy to sell players to rivals.

I have said No Such Thing - Are you really so foolish as to insinuate and interpret that from what I have said in response to your statement:

"The only contracts that matter right now are Ozil, Sanchez and Bellerin. " to which I countered

"I disagree, don't get me wrong those 3 players contracts are important, but as far as I am concerned the ONLY Contract of ANY importance right now, and for the foreseeable future is Wenger's."


At no time did I say that I want "contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone" to claim I said that is a "Lie" - show me where I have said that.


Anyone reading your posts can see that you are a Wenger supporter - which is fine, you are entitled to support him etc, but do not make false statements and make up lies about others who want him gone.

Any Arsenal fan (I said Arsenal not arsene!) with an iota of intelligence wants our best players to stay, and I sincerely hope that Ozil and Alexis DO sign new contracts, BUT if Wenger stays then it will yet again mean we have great players - but no trophies, because he is incompetent and unable to lead and manage the team to win the prem or the CL.

You along with the vast majority of wenger supporter's seem unable to grasp that it is Wenger who is the problem, along with the board and the owner, whose first interest is Financial Profit above and before the wining of trophies, if you cannot see that, then you really are in need of help.

[Wilson]

I think some fans are beyond irrational. How can anyone not care abut Bellerin, Sanchez and Ozil futures?

Ive heard some fans say why dont care if Bellerin goes to Barcelona, or worse, Man City, because he is 'only a right back' and we have Carl Jenkinson. These people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said before, the club dosnt have to stand still until Wenger's future is sorted. One of the criticisms of Wenger, is that he is perceived to be more important than the club, yet we have some fans on here such as One Bard Gooner who wants contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone. In effect, saying the club must halt all future planning until Wenger is gone.

Yeah, lets twiddle our thumbs in the months ahead, and do nothing. As opposed to trying to extend the contracts of three players who wouldnt look out of place at Barcelona, Bayern or Real Madrid.

But just on Bellerin. How fuking thick are some of you to disregard his ability and importance to the team? Flat back 4's are over - unless your David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis. Bellerin is being coveted by both Pep and Barcelona.

If you loathe being a selling club with no ambition - why take a non caring approach to Bellerin, or Sanchez or Ozil for that matter? You have no right to criticize the club for lack of ambition, when at the same time you criticize the club for trying to offer big money to keep these three players.

Some fans are all over the place with their criticism. There is a difference between coherent criticism, and being a self loathing Arsenal fan.

Far too many of you are offering incoherent criticism that is full of self contradictions. For example I just cannot comprehend those who dont care about Bellerin, and couldnt give a toss if he ended up at Man City, yet at the same same criticize the club for lacking ambition and being too happy to sell players to rivals.

I have said No Such Thing - Are you really so foolish as to insinuate and interpret that from what I have said in response to your statement:

"The only contracts that matter right now are Ozil, Sanchez and Bellerin. " to which I countered

"I disagree, don't get me wrong those 3 players contracts are important, but as far as I am concerned the ONLY Contract of ANY importance right now, and for the foreseeable future is Wenger's."


At no time did I say that I want "contracts discussions frozen until Wenger is gone" to claim I said that is a "Lie" - show me where I have said that.


Anyone reading your posts can see that you are a Wenger supporter - which is fine, you are entitled to support him etc, but do not make false statements and make up lies about others who want him gone.

Any Arsenal fan (I said Arsenal not arsene!) with an iota of intelligence wants our best players to stay, and I sincerely hope that Ozil and Alexis DO sign new contracts, BUT if Wenger stays then it will yet again mean we have great players - but no trophies, because he is incompetent and unable to lead and manage the team to win the prem or the CL.

You along with the vast majority of wenger supporter's seem unable to grasp that it is Wenger who is the problem, along with the board and the owner, whose first interest is Financial Profit above and before the wining of trophies, if you cannot see that, then you really are in need of help.

Are you sure you havent been going aorund saying you dont care if Bellerin moves to Man City. And that if Sanchez or Ozil want 250k a week they can fuk off?

[OneBardGooner]

1,000% Certain.

Bellerin MUST stay...and if I can find the quote I actually said of Ozil & Alexis - re: £250k per week.."Just give it to them".

Unless of course you want to mis-quote/represent what i said (again).

[Sean]

The Old Fraud's departure is the most important thing. Although I don't see that happening anytime soon, sadly. Just 214 days until the final day renewal

I have heard that supposedly TOF doesn't know himself if he's staying or not; it depends on how the season goes. Though I can see him spinning any inevitable failure into a reason to stay on and continue this tortuous purgatory.

Of course we need Sanchez and Ozil's contracts sorted out, but I can't see TOF allowing them to be paid more than the £160K a week he currently thieves from the club, unless he gets another undeserved pay-rise in another new undeserved contract. Even if TOF goes up to £10M per year, that's still £58K a week less than the £250K salary that Sanchez and Ozil want.

Wilson, please ease up on your Bellerin worship. You're pissing in the wind here. The bloke's already on £50K a week. Sure, it'd be nice if he stays, but not on silly money, especially for a RB who isn't an RB. Plus, with the rat Fabregas leaving us high and dry - only to end up at the blue scum just a few years later - I don't think many Gooners can allow themselves to get too attached to someone else with 'Barca DNA'; plus, he's no Lee Dixon. I don't think you'll find many on here who enjoy seeing our full backs bomb on and expose our CBs time and time again, conceding tons of stupid goals which cost us dearly. It's one of the staples of our failures over the past decade.

[Wilson]

The Old Fraud's departure is the most important thing. Although I don't see that happening anytime soon, sadly. Just 214 days until the final day renewal

I have heard that supposedly TOF doesn't know himself if he's staying or not; it depends on how the season goes. Though I can see him spinning any inevitable failure into a reason to stay on and continue this tortuous purgatory.

Of course we need Sanchez and Ozil's contracts sorted out, but I can't see TOF allowing them to be paid more than the £160K a week he currently thieves from the club, unless he gets another undeserved pay-rise in another new undeserved contract. Even if TOF goes up to £10M per year, that's still £58K a week less than the £250K salary that Sanchez and Ozil want.

Wilson, please ease up on your Bellerin worship. You're pissing in the wind here. The bloke's already on £50K a week. Sure, it'd be nice if he stays, but not on silly money, especially for a RB who isn't an RB. Plus, with the rat Fabregas leaving us high and dry - only to end up at the blue scum just a few years later - I don't think many Gooners can allow themselves to get too attached to someone else with 'Barca DNA'; plus, he's no Lee Dixon. I don't think you'll find many on here who enjoy seeing our full backs bomb on and expose our CBs time and time again, conceding tons of stupid goals which cost us dearly. It's one of the staples of our failures over the past decade.

Attacking wing backs when its done right add a new dimension - Alves, Alaba, Lahm some years ago. But when Wenger did it with Eboue and the brain dead Clichy, it has left some scares.

Bellerin is as good as the hype. He was so good, Sunderlands right winger had to mark him, rather than the other way around.

[Clash]

But just on Bellerin. How fuking thick are some of you to disregard his ability and importance to the team? Flat back 4's are over - unless your David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis. Bellerin is being coveted by both Pep and Barcelona.

Yeah or Claudio Ranieri?

Oh and you're holding Peps judgement in high regard now? I thought the other day you posted something about his success being down to what he inherited and that you were not convinced by him. But now he is coveting Hector Bellerin he is obviously the real deal!

After your recent and somewhat sudden defence of Wenger and Walcott, I'm half expecting you to tell us we need to lay off criticising Giroud after his heroics today.

Wilson, please ease up on your Bellerin worship. You're pissing in the wind here. The bloke's already on £50K a week. Sure, it'd be nice if he stays, but not on silly money, especially for a RB who isn't an RB. Plus, with the rat Fabregas leaving us high and dry - only to end up at the blue scum just a few years later - I don't think many Gooners can allow themselves to get too attached to someone else with 'Barca DNA'; plus, he's no Lee Dixon. I don't think you'll find many on here who enjoy seeing our full backs bomb on and expose our CBs time and time again, conceding tons of stupid goals which cost us dearly. It's one of the staples of our failures over the past decade.

Well said Sean.

Ozil and Sanchez are in a different league to Hector fucking Bellerin. Wilson's hero worship is bordering on laughable and to call people 'thick' for not seeing his importance to the team is even more laughable. Give me someone solid like Lee Dixon or even Sagna over Bellerin every time. I cannot stand this current obsession with marauding full backs. .

[Sean]

Attacking wing backs when its done right add a new dimension - Alves, Alaba, Lahm some years ago. But when Wenger did it with Eboue and the brain dead Clichy, it has left some scares.

Bellerin is as good as the hype. He was so good, Sunderlands right winger had to mark him, rather than the other way around.

Yes. It's great... when it works. We are hardly a team to train and coach the correct way to defend and attack. It's well known we don't bother with the fundamentals in training, just this sideways passing dogma.

Call me stupid or old fashioned, but I much prefer our full backs to defend. TOF plays converted wingers there, which is yet anther failure of his.

Our lack of respect for the art of defence still scares me now. It's nice to see Mustafi start well, but I'm seeing that the honeymoon period is over and our typical mistakes are costing us points and clean sheets again.

Well said Sean.

Ozil and Sanchez are in a different league to Hector fucking Bellerin. Wilson's hero worship is bordering on laughable and to call people 'thick' for not seeing his importance to the team is even more laughable. Give me someone solid like Lee Dixon or even Sagna over Bellerin every time. I cannot stand this current obsession with marauding full backs. .

Cheers, mate. I agree on the full-backs totally. Defenders should defend. The front six should be enough for attacks. I hate this 2-8-0 shite we play, where it's ALL midfield sideways crap and leaving glaring weaknesses at the front and back.

Wilson is a good poster and I usually enjoy his posts, but it's a shame to see this 'I'm right and you're stupid if you disagree' stuff from him recently. Plus his quasi-flip-flop on the Wenger issue hasn't helped.

Wilson, please be a little less forceful on Bellerin. I think we both know the club haven't been the greatest on sorting contracts. They'll overpay crap as per the failed Project Youth (plus Giroud and Walcott), but they won't pay for genuine quality, as per my worries about the Sanchez and Ozil deals up-thread. Getting bent out of shape at other Gooners on here won't affect what the club does.

[Wilson]

Attacking wing backs when its done right add a new dimension - Alves, Alaba, Lahm some years ago. But when Wenger did it with Eboue and the brain dead Clichy, it has left some scares.

Bellerin is as good as the hype. He was so good, Sunderlands right winger had to mark him, rather than the other way around.

Yes. It's great... when it works. We are hardly a team to train and coach the correct way to defend and attack. It's well known we don't bother with the fundamentals in training, just this sideways passing dogma.

Call me stupid or old fashioned, but I much prefer our full backs to defend. TOF plays converted wingers there, which is yet anther failure of his.

Our lack of respect for the art of defence still scares me now. It's nice to see Mustafi start well, but I'm seeing that the honeymoon period is over and our typical mistakes are costing us points and clean sheets again.

Well said Sean.

Ozil and Sanchez are in a different league to Hector fucking Bellerin. Wilson's hero worship is bordering on laughable and to call people 'thick' for not seeing his importance to the team is even more laughable. Give me someone solid like Lee Dixon or even Sagna over Bellerin every time. I cannot stand this current obsession with marauding full backs. .

Cheers, mate. I agree on the full-backs totally. Defenders should defend. The front six should be enough for attacks. I hate this 2-8-0 shite we play, where it's ALL midfield sideways crap and leaving glaring weaknesses at the front and back.

Wilson is a good poster and I usually enjoy his posts, but it's a shame to see this 'I'm right and you're stupid if you disagree' stuff from him recently. Plus his quasi-flip-flop on the Wenger issue hasn't helped.

Wilson, please be a little less forceful on Bellerin. I think we both know the club haven't been the greatest on sorting contracts. They'll overpay crap as per the failed Project Youth (plus Giroud and Walcott), but they won't pay for genuine quality, as per my worries about the Sanchez and Ozil deals up-thread. Getting bent out of shape at other Gooners on here won't affect what the club does.

couldn't disagree more. Bellerin for all his attacking talents, is a good defender - that tackle on Pedro being an example.

As for fullbacks function being to defend foremost, well I absolutely agree. However, when Bellerin gets forward and pins the opposition right winger in his own half, than is in essence defending. Plus, pinning the opposition in the other half via the use of wing backs allows for wave after wave of attack. Thats how we dismantled Chelsea, we simply overawed them and they couldnt get out of their own half. Even yesterday against Sunderland we pinned them back and had more attacks on their goal than they did on ours. Dont forget it was Bellerin and Gibbs who crossed for Sanchez's first, and Giroud's second.

Bellerin is not some luxury right back. He is, one of the best players in this team, and without him we become a worser team.

[Clash]

couldn't disagree more. Bellerin for all his attacking talents, is a good defender - that tackle on Pedro being an example.

As for fullbacks function being to defend foremost, well I absolutely agree. However, when Bellerin gets forward and pins the opposition right winger in his own half, than is in essence defending. Plus, pinning the opposition in the other half via the use of wing backs allows for wave after wave of attack. Thats how we dismantled Chelsea, we simply overawed them and they couldnt get out of their own half. Even yesterday against Sunderland we pinned them back and had more attacks on their goal than they did on ours. Dont forget it was Bellerin and Gibbs who crossed for Sanchez's first, and Giroud's second.

Bellerin is not some luxury right back. He is, one of the best players in this team, and without him we become a worser team.

That Bellerin tackle is also a good example of our defence not working as a unit and getting caught out unnecessarily - despite leading 3-0 at the time. Koscielny's tackle against Boro was similar. When a defense is organised well enough and works as a unit they dont need to rely on individuals making last ditch tackles so often.

You said flat back fours were over but Leicester won the title with a flat back four of Fuchs, Huth, Morgan and Simpson. Something Ranieri changed to after Arsenal beat Leicester 5-2. Personally I still favour 4-4-2.

And I very much doubt Bellerin will be able to pin the opposition winger back in his own half against the best opponents so the attacking full back system has its limitations. Again though it comes back to Wenger and how he chooses to do things. Which again brings us back to what One Bard and many of us say when Wenger not signing a contract is the most important thing.

[xisstential]

Attacking wing backs when its done right add a new dimension - Alves, Alaba, Lahm some years ago. But when Wenger did it with Eboue and the brain dead Clichy, it has left some scares.

Bellerin is as good as the hype. He was so good, Sunderlands right winger had to mark him, rather than the other way around.

Yes. It's great... when it works. We are hardly a team to train and coach the correct way to defend and attack. It's well known we don't bother with the fundamentals in training, just this sideways passing dogma.

Call me stupid or old fashioned, but I much prefer our full backs to defend. TOF plays converted wingers there, which is yet anther failure of his.

Our lack of respect for the art of defence still scares me now. It's nice to see Mustafi start well, but I'm seeing that the honeymoon period is over and our typical mistakes are costing us points and clean sheets again.

Well said Sean.

Ozil and Sanchez are in a different league to Hector fucking Bellerin. Wilson's hero worship is bordering on laughable and to call people 'thick' for not seeing his importance to the team is even more laughable. Give me someone solid like Lee Dixon or even Sagna over Bellerin every time. I cannot stand this current obsession with marauding full backs. .

Cheers, mate. I agree on the full-backs totally. Defenders should defend. The front six should be enough for attacks. I hate this 2-8-0 shite we play, where it's ALL midfield sideways crap and leaving glaring weaknesses at the front and back.

Wilson is a good poster and I usually enjoy his posts, but it's a shame to see this 'I'm right and you're stupid if you disagree' stuff from him recently. Plus his quasi-flip-flop on the Wenger issue hasn't helped.

Wilson, please be a little less forceful on Bellerin. I think we both know the club haven't been the greatest on sorting contracts. They'll overpay crap as per the failed Project Youth (plus Giroud and Walcott), but they won't pay for genuine quality, as per my worries about the Sanchez and Ozil deals up-thread. Getting bent out of shape at other Gooners on here won't affect what the club does.

couldn't disagree more. Bellerin for all his attacking talents, is a good defender - that tackle on Pedro being an example.

As for fullbacks function being to defend foremost, well I absolutely agree. However, when Bellerin gets forward and pins the opposition right winger in his own half, than is in essence defending. Plus, pinning the opposition in the other half via the use of wing backs allows for wave after wave of attack. Thats how we dismantled Chelsea, we simply overawed them and they couldnt get out of their own half. Even yesterday against Sunderland we pinned them back and had more attacks on their goal than they did on ours. Dont forget it was Bellerin and Gibbs who crossed for Sanchez's first, and Giroud's second.

Bellerin is not some luxury right back. He is, one of the best players in this team, and without him we become a worser team.

It was actually AoC who left the defender for dead and put the ball on Sanchez head.