The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Gunner Rob]

this is a good article
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opi ... alNewsfeed

so it will no doubt be dismissed by brexiteers as "Project fear"

[olgitgooner]

Rob, your link is a piece by Philip Bowring. A journalist. He's been based in the Far East for about thirty years.

Here is a report from an ex Remainer who actually worked within the EU for eight years. I would put trust in his opinion rather than any journalist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... yor-London

[nut flush gooner]

Apologies NutFlush. Somebody else said that "out" voters are poor and uneducated. You probably disagree whole heartedly with this.

However, you did personally insult myself and AllGuns. How about an apology for that?

Apology accepted, you are a gooner after all:). Apology reciprocated if it makes you happy. Gotta keep the gooner family happy ehhh.



With regards to the poor and uneducated comments, if you have read what I have said throughout this thread I said that referendum should never have taken place because we as a nation are not qualified to make this judgement. There are people that went out and educated themselves, but a lot of brexiteers just used their biased views of Foreigners and Europe to make their decisions. Where there enough of these people to swing the vote in favour of leave, hell yes.

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

Half hearted? It's whatever way you want to take it old boy, it was genuine but not really anything I can say more than that.

With regards to Democracy, we elect MPs/the government to make important decisions for us. The EU is not a utopia, nor is having unelected bureaucrats deciding our laws again not ideal. But if the net effect of remaining in the EU, is better for our economy then we shouldn't do anything to jeopardise that. We have already seen posters who have admitted the referendum was a bloody nose exercise, fuck the consequences. By the way, we have an unelected PM for the second time in a decade making these decisions - who categorically was a remainer, just saying.

Your references to Communism and Facism in the same sentence are bizarre. Communism in it's purest form involves the equal distribution of wealth throughout society, and a government that controls all production in an economy. The whole idea of Democracy is we appoint people to make these difficult decisions for us, not the other way round.

We have already seen the negative impacts of the vote let in our supermarkets, Marmite gate was just the start. Morrisons yesterday said they where putting up the price by 12.5% and Tea prices are going up because their input costs have increased by 60%.

British Airways have said flight prices will go up, Apple are putting up the prices of its Macbook. This is only the start.

Does having less money in your pocket after the weekly shop, booking a holiday or buying electrical goods not constitute proof we are worse off. It's only going to get worse unless our currency seriously recovers. Can you see that?

This is getting a bit tiresome.

We are never going to see eye to eye on this subject. And there are far too many points to sensibly debate on these pages. I think the EU is a sinking ship and is corrupt. I think the EU is holding back the economy of the U.K. and other European nations. I will be delighted when we are finally a free nation again. I fully expect other countries will follow our lead. I hope the EU will soon become history. Same as the USSR.

I am prepared to accept any short term financial hit in exchange for long term gain. Even if that means not buying Marmite and drinking less tea . I have no idea why tea costs have increased by 60%. It can't all be attributed to the value of the pound.

The referendum was a wonderful thing. Spoiled only by the ridiculous claims and misinformation from both camps. If we, as a nation, are not qualified to decide this democratic issue, then we are not qualified to vote in general elections either.

I don't expect you to agree with any of the above. A response is not required

We will never see eye to eye. You think Brexit is a short term financial thing? Wake up and smell the coffee. It will have an impact on your standard of living for years to come.

If you believe the rubbish rags like the Daily Fail and Express come out with, are we surprised you can't appreciate the gravity of the situation we are in. If you think the referendum was a wonderful thing, with one MP killed, a Polish Immigrant killed and an overall increase in reported hate crimes then you sir are completely deluded.

[nut flush gooner]

Nutty

You say about young people starting blogs and "with absolutely no business experience and monetising their content to the tune of thousands every month".......... how many actually make money out of blogs, compared to the hundreds of thousands out there? What about the young people who can not afford mid range mobiles or laptops capable of producing this? Internet access? What about the less intelligent young people/old people who are incapable of doing this?

I had a good upbringing was guided well as a child and teen and eventually found myself in a decent career that has seen me working for nearly 30 years (and im not an accountant or financial planner ) but there are so many out there that do not have this. You could just pull up the ladder and say f**k those lot because they aren't worth worrying about or you could try to maker things better for them. The fluctuating pound means nothing to them even if Lidl prices go up by 10% because it is worth 5p or 10p or £1 on their shopping.

You also say about not putting your eggs in one basket what about the people that have no basket? Look at the link and i know the USA is a whole different ball game but try telling these people to make money Blogging http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... st-9148518

The uncontrolled immigration has forced wages down for the lowest paid in our society no doubt about that and this has caused some to be disgruntled and they don't care about the cost of BA flights or Mac Book pro's. You're living in a different world to them but think you know.

This isn't a knock to you but in your corporate business world i think you and many like you including many of my friends and family miss whats happening at the very lowest levels.

There are many things that rile me about the EU some above, unelected beaurocrats making rules over our elected beuacrats heads etc and some i haven't gone into ( yet )

This isnt a personal attack on you BTW before DB10 bans me

I am not saying that people should have the rug pulled from under them, if you read what I said originally I pointed out that the socially deprived and disabled should be looked after.

My point is, if things are not going to your liking in business or in life what do you do? Either continue with the status quo, or get off your backside and try to improve things.

Martin Lewis runs a great site called moneysavingexpert.com. Just trawling through there can trim thousands off household bills, create additional income streams or ideas for a new career or business. It's quite funny how when I say something people jump on specifics like writing an online blog, that's just an example lol we all have hidden talents it's just a question of figuring out what we are good at.

Too many people do not think outside the box in this country. That's why when they end up at the bottom of the rung, they blame everyone else but themselves. The Brexit vote was their chance to stick two fingers up at the establishment, they did that but didn't think about the consequences.

[DB10GOONER]

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

You know you have an unelected woman in your country that has the power to dissolve your democratically elected parliament, right?

[Gunner Rob]

Rob, your link is a piece by Philip Bowring. A journalist. He's been based in the Far East for about thirty years.

Here is a report from an ex Remainer who actually worked within the EU for eight years. I would put trust in his opinion rather than any journalist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... yor-London

I would rather trust a guy who has lived in the UK for more years than most of us
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... qopwb6s9k9

[GranadaJoe]

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

You know you have an unelected woman in your country that has the power to dissolve your democratically elected parliament, right?

Yeah, but she is German!

[DB10GOONER]

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

You know you have an unelected woman in your country that has the power to dissolve your democratically elected parliament, right?

Yeah, but she is German!

True.

[flash gunner]

Rob, your link is a piece by Philip Bowring. A journalist. He's been based in the Far East for about thirty years.

Here is a report from an ex Remainer who actually worked within the EU for eight years. I would put trust in his opinion rather than any journalist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... yor-London

I would rather trust a guy who has lived in the UK for more years than most of us

The Yorkshire Ripper has lived in this country for longer than me too!!! but length of residence in a country doesnt qualify trust

[DB10GOONER]

Rob, your link is a piece by Philip Bowring. A journalist. He's been based in the Far East for about thirty years.

Here is a report from an ex Remainer who actually worked within the EU for eight years. I would put trust in his opinion rather than any journalist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... yor-London

I would rather trust a guy who has lived in the UK for more years than most of us

The Yorkshire Ripper has lived in this country for longer than me too!!! but length of residence in a country doesnt qualify trust

[Allgunsblazin]

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

You know you have an unelected woman in your country that has the power to dissolve your democratically elected parliament, right?

Yeah, but she is German!

True.

And she hates the Irish!...

She is a Munta though!, imagine avin to give it a shag, think I'd rather shag you, and you're an ugly cccc!.....

[nut flush gooner]

A half hearted apology is no apology.

Democracy is democracy. When you say that "we, as a nation, are not qualified to make this judgement" you are saying that we should leave decisions to those who know better than Joe Public. This idea is great for fascists and communists. And is very rewarding for the unelected people who control the EU. The rest of us prefer to actually have a say in how our country is governed. We have a stab at this every four years or so. Our latest opportunity to vote was far more important than the usual. You disagree with the outcome. Tough.

There is absolutely no way that you can prove that the outcome will be a bad thing for the UK.

You know you have an unelected woman in your country that has the power to dissolve your democratically elected parliament, right?

This. And the irony that seems to be lost on brexiteers is she's a vehement remainer, at least before she was gifted the position of PM. Unelected Europeans are scum, unelected UK PM let's just conveniently turn a blind eye. The pure hypocrisy.

[olgitgooner]

Total bollocks. TM was elected to parliament by Joe Public. And has every right under parliamentary law to become prime minister. She was elected to that position by MPs. Who were all elected by the public.

Joe Public had no say whatsoever in the leadership of the EU. There is a huge difference.

Hypocrisy my arse.

[Allgunsblazin]

Total bollocks. TM was elected to parliament by Joe Public. And has every right under parliamentary law to become prime minister.

Joe Public had no say whatsoever in the leadership of the EU. There is a huge difference.

Hypocrisy my arse.

Off with its head, treasonable traits ....

[flash gunner]

You don't vote for the leader in British politics unlike the US president. We vote for an MP and whoever leads the party FPTP becomes PRIME minister.

TM is an elected PM when did Juncker last win an election?