Scum (H) 6th November 12:00

[OneBardGooner]

Well, I tried to warn you all about Spurs being a resilient team. They have conceded only 6 goals, and havent lost in the league this year. Although most of you reacted irrationally and assumed I was some sort of closet Spurs lover. When no, Im simply a realist who recognizes a good team when I see one.

1. That sounds like something an AKB would say - After the event.


2. That's how you come across - either that or someone who IS an AKB but doesn't have the balls to come out of the Wenger Love Closet


You may not have noticed - nothing hew there then - But many of us Gooners said on the scum game thread that we (That's THE Arsenal by the way) could and should win - IF we turned in a decent performance - Which alas was not the case.

ALSO: As RedArmy has already pointed out to you on another thread Tactics is NOT just about making the right team selection, but how those players are 'Coached' and 'prepared' for each game, also WHEN substitutions are made - We (That's Gooners) all know that Wenger does not do tactics, anyone with an iota of intelligence and awareness would know this, the timing of his substitutions are so well known even the match officials can set their watches by them. Also Wenger has openly said on a number of occasions that he/the team do not worry about what the opposition do, or what plans; ie Tactics they have made and worked on prior to a game - He and the team simply focus on what they always do, and then they let the opposition worry about what Arsenal do.

3. You are not a realist - You have a mis-shaped view of Wenger and so The Arsenal....First thing you need to try and grasp It is Arsenal FC NOT Arsene FC. Oh! lawdy, lawdy why am I bothering I have already been down this road with you when you falsely accused me of lying - For which you have yet to apologise by the way That's the way Wenger operates - He NEVER apologises for his mistakes.

Of course we know the Filth have a decent manager and some good players (one or two would do well in The Arsenal squad) but to try and make out you are the only one who knew and said this is not only foolish but untrue, especially considering a good number of Gooners on this forum have a very good knowledge of tactics and formations etc even though they haven't worked in football for 32years.

To say "I tried to warn you all" is arrogant to say the least and the kind of despotic thing Wenger would say, no surprises there then.

[Skooner]

We needed some in game management from Wenger. They figured we'd start Sanchez up top so played three at the back to smoother the space down the middle. As much as I agreed with the line up before the game, it became clear pretty quickly it wasn't working. Only when Sanchez started drifting into wider areas did we have a bit more success in terms of breaking forward, but that meant we had no one in the box. I'd have got Giroud on at half time. Our inflexibility is so frustrating.

I was surprised Coquelin came off, he was one of the few showing some energy and hassling them into errors. It was really noticeable how much more organised they were without the ball than we were. Teams find it so easy to play between our lines and take out the whole of our midfield with one pass. In the end a fair result but that was with us playing pretty poorly.

[Redarmy]

We needed some in game management from Wenger. They figured we'd start Sanchez up top so played three at the back to smoother the space down the middle. As much as I agreed with the line up before the game, it became clear pretty quickly it wasn't working. Only when Sanchez started drifting into wider areas did we have a bit more success in terms of breaking forward, but that meant we had no one in the box. I'd have got Giroud on at half time. Our inflexibility is so frustrating.

I was surprised Coquelin came off, he was one of the few showing some energy and hassling them into errors. It was really noticeable how much more organised they were without the ball than we were. Teams find it so easy to play between our lines and take out the whole of our midfield with one pass. In the end a fair result but that was with us playing pretty poorly.

Agree with the Coquelin comment surprised he was taken off, we needed a physical presence in the middle, Wanyama and particularly Dembele ( who by the way is all arms and looks a nightmare to play against) were bossing the show

Extremely disappointed but under Wenger sure there is more to come......

[augie]

We needed some in game management from Wenger. They figured we'd start Sanchez up top so played three at the back to smoother the space down the middle. As much as I agreed with the line up before the game, it became clear pretty quickly it wasn't working. Only when Sanchez started drifting into wider areas did we have a bit more success in terms of breaking forward, but that meant we had no one in the box. I'd have got Giroud on at half time. Our inflexibility is so frustrating.

I was surprised Coquelin came off, he was one of the few showing some energy and hassling them into errors. It was really noticeable how much more organised they were without the ball than we were. Teams find it so easy to play between our lines and take out the whole of our midfield with one pass. In the end a fair result but that was with us playing pretty poorly.

After 20-25 minutes I was saying to my sons that we should make a substitution there and then - none of us believe that le cock has even a tiny amount of in-game managerial talent, but tbh I know that he wouldn't make a sub that early even if he did. Put simply, their system yesterday had totally nullified us, and we were literally chasing shadows for most of the first half. If things are not working (and they clearly weren't), then he needs to accept it and make changes to throw something different at them, and I don't care if those changes need to be made 25 minutes into the game or with 25 minutes left in the game

[Skooner]

We needed some in game management from Wenger. They figured we'd start Sanchez up top so played three at the back to smoother the space down the middle. As much as I agreed with the line up before the game, it became clear pretty quickly it wasn't working. Only when Sanchez started drifting into wider areas did we have a bit more success in terms of breaking forward, but that meant we had no one in the box. I'd have got Giroud on at half time. Our inflexibility is so frustrating.

I was surprised Coquelin came off, he was one of the few showing some energy and hassling them into errors. It was really noticeable how much more organised they were without the ball than we were. Teams find it so easy to play between our lines and take out the whole of our midfield with one pass. In the end a fair result but that was with us playing pretty poorly.

After 20-25 minutes I was saying to my sons that we should make a substitution there and then - none of us believe that le cock has even a tiny amount of in-game managerial talent, but tbh I know that he wouldn't make a sub that early even if he did. Put simply, their system yesterday had totally nullified us, and we were literally chasing shadows for most of the first half. If things are not working (and they clearly weren't), then he needs to accept it and make changes to throw something different at them, and I don't care if those changes need to be made 25 minutes into the game or with 25 minutes left in the game

Agreed, even if he didn't make an actual substitution he could have a made a tactical change like putting Walcott in the middle and Sanchez outwide, if it isn't working you have to make a change of some sort. Wasn't surprised Wenger didn't though, he never does.

[SPARKSY]

you lot really need to calm your tits,really cant believe the over reaction and the slating of every player,this is an unbeaten spurs team,not a steaming pile of shit like weve seen most years,you can see from yesterday why they are unbeaten,as for iwobi yes he was shocking,the OX was awful but hes had a good start to the season,one bad half hour and everybody wants to string him up,i thought the subs yesterday made us look very disjointed and stopped what little flow we had had to that point,i hate wenger but credit him for trying to win the match at least.gutted to have dropped 2 points but we are in the mix,lets hope we can right this against man ure

Was thinking the exact same thing.
Neither team did enough to win, looking at the game overall. However, Spurs had the better chances. They're a decent side so a point is no bad thing.
Down side is we now really need to go to Old Trafford and win. 2 points from these 2 games ain't the end of the world but if we want to challenge for the title we need to be getting a min of 4 points.
Seeing as we hardly ever win at OT and Wenger is up against Maureen, chances are it will be 1 from 6 and then we will know where our season is going again.

[rodders999]

The Spuds have drawn 6 of their 11 league games and have scored just 15 goals, they're not the cross between Brazil 1970 and The Harlem Globetrotters some on here would have you believe. They've also lost twice to two bang average sides in Europe and were there for the taking yesterday if we'd shown the desire to go after them rather than produce the insipid performance we did for the majority of the 90.

It's the norm for us to phone it in for 12 o'clock kick offs anyway, I just hoped that yesterday would be different what with it being a NLD and all, but alas it was not to be.

[Redarmy]

The Spuds have drawn 6 of their 11 league games and have scored just 15 goals, they're not the cross between Brazil 1970 and The Harlem Globetrotters some on here would have you believe. They've also lost twice to two bang average sides in Europe and were there for the taking yesterday if we'd shown the desire to go after them rather than produce the insipid performance we did for the majority of the 90.

It's the norm for us to phone it in for 12 o'clock kick offs anyway, I just hoped that yesterday would be different what with it being a NLD and all, but alas it was not to be.

100% agree - they're not the cross between Brazil 1970 and The Harlem Globetrotters some on here would have you believe.

[Herd]

I dont buy this Spurs are good , the team they had out yesterday were not that good ,but they were organised and they knew what to expect !
Somone would have seen what was going on VERY early and sent signals to Walcott and Iwobi to press high then run back and tuck in coming back .
Fortunately my seats arent near the bench or I would have been climbing over it after 5 mins ,but after surviving a few scares suddenly they ran out of puff and we could have been out of sight by half time with some better finishing .
Went to sleep early doors second half and u could see a disaster looming though the penalty was stupid ,monreal allready had the twat diving so no need for a gormless leg in from Kos who Like Mustafi has a hit and miss game .
Didnt understand the Coq sub at all and Ramsey put in a Ramsey like performance ,but approved of the Boldness of the Giroud and Ox substitutions. Who was to know the Ox had bet big on spurs to win and would try his best to give them 3 points !
We made Walker look good yesterday !

[Clash]

It depresses me how tame these derby games are these days. Absolutely laughable for the media to bill this as some full-bloodied derby. Just like the hype Liverpool v Man United gets, it never lives up to it anymore.

Walcott squaring up to Vertongen (dont give a fuck how you spell it) was cringe worthy. A bit like when a politician tries to be a man of the people by being seen holding a pint

Modern football has ruined derby days as much as its ruined so much else. Its all very well fans keeping up the hatred on message boards and in the pubs but its not reflected on the pitch or in the stands. The atmosphere sounded like it could have been any game.

Too many foreign players in all teams and in every league doesnt help derby days either. Thats not being xenophobic it just stands to reason that without some local lads in a derby game, it will not have that extra edge.

Why do we have 2 Spanish full backs FFS? Or that prancing ponce Giroud up front?

Asking the youth system to produce a Bergkamp or Ozil ... or another Liam Brady ... is asking too much. But Its a bad reflection on the way football is run that a club like Arsenal plus Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham, all big clubs in a big city like London, do not have a core of Londoners in their teams for the more basic positions.

Surely clubs can produce their own players to play in positions like full back or as a defensive midfielder? If they did .. and if this was reflected in other cities around the world ... then derby days and football in general would be much better than this sanitised, watered down crap we are served up on a regular basis.

[Clash]

Well, I tried to warn you all about Spurs being a resilient team. They have conceded only 6 goals, and havent lost in the league this year. Although most of you reacted irrationally and assumed I was some sort of closet Spurs lover. When no, Im simply a realist who recognizes a good team when I see one.

You also told us how Bellerin was worth the hype... so good in fact that he could pin Sunderland's winger back in his own half.

Didnt see much of that yesterday though. What I did see was him getting outdone for much of the game by Danny fucking Rose!

[Redarmy]

I dont buy this Spurs are good , the team they had out yesterday were not that good ,but they were organised and they knew what to expect !
Somone would have seen what was going on VERY early and sent signals to Walcott and Iwobi to press high then run back and tuck in coming back .
Fortunately my seats arent near the bench or I would have been climbing over it after 5 mins ,but after surviving a few scares suddenly they ran out of puff and we could have been out of sight by half time with some better finishing .
Went to sleep early doors second half and u could see a disaster looming though the penalty was stupid ,monreal allready had the twat diving so no need for a gormless leg in from Kos who Like Mustafi has a hit and miss game .
Didnt understand the Coq sub at all and Ramsey put in a Ramsey like performance ,but approved of the Boldness of the Giroud and Ox substitutions. Who was to know the Ox had bet big on spurs to win and would try his best to give them 3 points !
We made Walker look good yesterday !

agree with that analysis

[Redarmy]

It depresses me how tame these derby games are these days. Absolutely laughable for the media to bill this as some full-bloodied derby. Just like the hype Liverpool v Man United gets, it never lives up to it anymore.

Walcott squaring up to Vertongen (dont give a fuck how you spell it) was cringe worthy. A bit like when a politician tries to be a man of the people by being seen holding a pint

Modern football has ruined derby days as much as its ruined so much else. Its all very well fans keeping up the hatred on message boards and in the pubs but its not reflected on the pitch or in the stands. The atmosphere sounded like it could have been any game.

Too many foreign players in all teams and in every league doesnt help derby days either. Thats not being xenophobic it just stands to reason that without some local lads in a derby game, it will not have that extra edge.

Why do we have 2 Spanish full backs FFS? Or that prancing ponce Giroud up front?

Asking the youth system to produce a Bergkamp or Ozil ... or another Liam Brady ... is asking too much. But Its a bad reflection on the way football is run that a club like Arsenal plus Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham, all big clubs in a big city like London, do not have a core of Londoners in their teams for the more basic positions.

Surely clubs can produce their own players to play in positions like full back or as a defensive midfielder? If they did .. and if this was reflected in other cities around the world ... then derby days and football in general would be much better than this sanitised, watered down crap we are served up on a regular basis.

agree with above.. also a factor of watered down NLDs at the Emirates is of course the crowd

Why do they fucking go seriously???? just to phone Justin and Tarquin they are at a Footie match ??? to eat the pies and Cola???
Those empty seats so embarrassing....10 mins to go and theres thousands leaving???

[SPARKSY]

It depresses me how tame these derby games are these days. Absolutely laughable for the media to bill this as some full-bloodied derby. Just like the hype Liverpool v Man United gets, it never lives up to it anymore.

Walcott squaring up to Vertongen (dont give a fuck how you spell it) was cringe worthy. A bit like when a politician tries to be a man of the people by being seen holding a pint

Modern football has ruined derby days as much as its ruined so much else. Its all very well fans keeping up the hatred on message boards and in the pubs but its not reflected on the pitch or in the stands. The atmosphere sounded like it could have been any game.

Too many foreign players in all teams and in every league doesnt help derby days either. Thats not being xenophobic it just stands to reason that without some local lads in a derby game, it will not have that extra edge.

Why do we have 2 Spanish full backs FFS? Or that prancing ponce Giroud up front?

Asking the youth system to produce a Bergkamp or Ozil ... or another Liam Brady ... is asking too much. But Its a bad reflection on the way football is run that a club like Arsenal plus Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham, all big clubs in a big city like London, do not have a core of Londoners in their teams for the more basic positions.

Surely clubs can produce their own players to play in positions like full back or as a defensive midfielder? If they did .. and if this was reflected in other cities around the world ... then derby days and football in general would be much better than this sanitised, watered down crap we are served up on a regular basis.

agree with above.. also a factor of watered down NLDs at the Emirates is of course the crowd

Why do they fucking go seriously???? just to phone Justin and Tarquin they are at a Footie match ??? to eat the pies and Cola???
Those empty seats so embarrassing....10 mins to go and theres thousands leaving???

Thought that myself. What the fuck is that all about. A night game/work next day to beat the crowds I can understand but a Sunday afternoon, 1-1, NLD and they are walking out.
If you're gonna do that then what's the point in paying 70 odd quid in the first place.
Don't understand it at all but are we surprised

[Gunner Rob]

It depresses me how tame these derby games are these days. Absolutely laughable for the media to bill this as some full-bloodied derby. Just like the hype Liverpool v Man United gets, it never lives up to it anymore.

Walcott squaring up to Vertongen (dont give a fuck how you spell it) was cringe worthy. A bit like when a politician tries to be a man of the people by being seen holding a pint

Modern football has ruined derby days as much as its ruined so much else. Its all very well fans keeping up the hatred on message boards and in the pubs but its not reflected on the pitch or in the stands. The atmosphere sounded like it could have been any game.

Too many foreign players in all teams and in every league doesnt help derby days either. Thats not being xenophobic it just stands to reason that without some local lads in a derby game, it will not have that extra edge.

Why do we have 2 Spanish full backs FFS? Or that prancing ponce Giroud up front?

Asking the youth system to produce a Bergkamp or Ozil ... or another Liam Brady ... is asking too much. But Its a bad reflection on the way football is run that a club like Arsenal plus Spurs, Chelsea and West Ham, all big clubs in a big city like London, do not have a core of Londoners in their teams for the more basic positions.

Surely clubs can produce their own players to play in positions like full back or as a defensive midfielder? If they did .. and if this was reflected in other cities around the world ... then derby days and football in general would be much better than this sanitised, watered down crap we are served up on a regular basis.

agree with above.. also a factor of watered down NLDs at the Emirates is of course the crowd

Why do they fucking go seriously???? just to phone Justin and Tarquin they are at a Footie match ??? to eat the pies and Cola???
Those empty seats so embarrassing....10 mins to go and theres thousands leaving???

Thought that myself. What the fuck is that all about. A night game/work next day to beat the crowds I can understand but a Sunday afternoon, 1-1, NLD and they are walking out.
If you're gonna do that then what's the point in paying 70 odd quid in the first place.
Don't understand it at all but are we surprised

it is bizarre.
The match finished before 2pm!!!

do you see people leaving before the end of a film? NO before the end of a play? NO

Its one reason why I find it hard to stomach going to the Emirates anymore.
last time i went i spent the first FIFTEEN minutes of the match arguing with people who were still arriving.
there is NO EXCUSE for anyone to be late for a game unless there is exceptional travel problems (and it that case the game would usually be delayed anyway) It wont happen but I think if people cant make it for kick off they shouldnt be allowed in until half time.