The Reason vs Superstition Thread
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Worst.
Vanity.
Thread.
Ever.
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DB10GOONER wrote:
Worst.
Vanity.
Thread.
Ever.
Starting to question your beliefs????
Don't worry. We'll find room for you with the enlightened folk.
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GranadaJoe wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:
Worst.
Vanity.
Thread.
Ever.
Starting to question your beliefs????
Don't worry. We'll find room for you with the enlightened folk.
Here's one.
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Re: The Reason vs Superstition Thread
Regarding children's induction into belief systems......I offer you this gem from Dave Allen talking about his childhood and the particular religion he was born into
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
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This was what things were like 60-70 years ago it's changed massively these daysolgitgooner wrote:Regarding children's induction into belief systems......I offer you this gem from Dave Allen talking about his childhood and the particular religion he was born into
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
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I'm sure you're right flashy. I put the link on for a bit of fun. Dave Allen is one of my comedy heroes. Many of our younger forum peeps may not have seen his stuff.flash gunner wrote:This was what things were like 60-70 years ago it's changed massively these daysolgitgooner wrote:Regarding children's induction into belief systems......I offer you this gem from Dave Allen talking about his childhood and the particular religion he was born into
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
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Dave Allen was class.olgitgooner wrote:I'm sure you're right flashy. I put the link on for a bit of fun. Dave Allen is one of my comedy heroes. Many of our younger forum peeps may not have seen his stuff.flash gunner wrote:This was what things were like 60-70 years ago it's changed massively these daysolgitgooner wrote:Regarding children's induction into belief systems......I offer you this gem from Dave Allen talking about his childhood and the particular religion he was born into
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
Years ahead of his time too. One of the few comedians from that time whose stuff is still funny today.
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AgreedDB10GOONER wrote:Dave Allen was class.olgitgooner wrote:I'm sure you're right flashy. I put the link on for a bit of fun. Dave Allen is one of my comedy heroes. Many of our younger forum peeps may not have seen his stuff.flash gunner wrote:This was what things were like 60-70 years ago it's changed massively these daysolgitgooner wrote:Regarding children's induction into belief systems......I offer you this gem from Dave Allen talking about his childhood and the particular religion he was born into
https://youtu.be/nNsUIDobj5g
Years ahead of his time too. One of the few comedians from that time whose stuff is still funny today.
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Word from the Vatican is God voted Trump.
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DB10GOONER wrote:Word from the Vatican is God voted Trump.
God loves a violent, egomaniacal, racist, mysogynist, bully.
Reminds him of himself in his younger days.
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Latest news is Allah voted Clinton.GranadaJoe wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:Word from the Vatican is God voted Trump.
God loves a violent, egomaniacal, racist, mysogynist, bully.
Reminds him of himself in his younger days.
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Just gonna leave this here to fuck with AtheistJoe's head!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6de ... ical_proof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6de ... ical_proof
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There's been a number of attempts at these ontological proofs over the years, but, in philosophical jargon, they're bollocks.DB10GOONER wrote:Just gonna leave this here to fuck with AtheistJoe's head!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6de ... ical_proof
They do create some problems for atheists because the lines of reasoning are difficult to get your head round, but they basically rely on accepting all of his 'take these statements as true' axioms, e.g.multiple/infinite universes in which all possible things exist. There's no justification offered for believing the first part and the second part isn't logical. An infinite universe could exist but there could still be possible things that don't exist in it.
Additionally, the idea is that we can conceive of a God who is completely positive and that real things are better than conceived things so God must exist.
The theorem is valid IF you accept the hypotheses, but that's a pretty big ask. Most people would doubt the statement that because we can conceive of things they must exist.
Using his argument you could argue that we can conceive of women more beautiful than any woman ever seen, who is purely positive, so she must exist and be better than we can conceive. However, you'll probably still wake up with the missus tomorrow morning, not your perceived goddess.
If you can't afford drugs, read through some arguments for and against his 'theorum'. Your mind will end up well and truly scrambled.
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Re: The Reason vs Superstition Thread
If this beautiful woman, who is more beautiful than any woman ever seen exists, I would be happy to conceive with her.GranadaJoe wrote:There's been a number of attempts at these ontological proofs over the years, but, in philosophical jargon, they're bollocks.DB10GOONER wrote:Just gonna leave this here to fuck with AtheistJoe's head!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6de ... ical_proof
They do create some problems for atheists because the lines of reasoning are difficult to get your head round, but they basically rely on accepting all of his 'take these statements as true' axioms, e.g.multiple/infinite universes in which all possible things exist. There's no justification offered for believing the first part and the second part isn't logical. An infinite universe could exist but there could still be possible things that don't exist in it.
Additionally, the idea is that we can conceive of a God who is completely positive and that real things are better than conceived things so God must exist.
The theorem is valid IF you accept the hypotheses, but that's a pretty big ask. Most people would doubt the statement that because we can conceive of things they must exist.
Using his argument you could argue that we can conceive of women more beautiful than any woman ever seen, who is purely positive, so she must exist and be better than we can conceive. However, you'll probably still wake up with the missus tomorrow morning, not your perceived goddess.
If you can't afford drugs, read through some arguments for and against his 'theorum'. Your mind will end up well and truly scrambled.
Hey, If you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world, tell her, I love her.