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the best rated comment probably sums it up best
"this is just too funny for words.... so we are going to end up paying into the EU to retain access to the Single Market, we are going to have to accept Free Movement as a price, we are going to have to accept EU rules but we will have no say in their make up or implementation. We will be in exactly the same position as we are now pre-Brexit accept with no say in the laws, higher prices, lower wages and a smaller pension pot. What the hell are we doing this for ?"
the best rated comment probably sums it up best
"this is just too funny for words.... so we are going to end up paying into the EU to retain access to the Single Market, we are going to have to accept Free Movement as a price, we are going to have to accept EU rules but we will have no say in their make up or implementation. We will be in exactly the same position as we are now pre-Brexit accept with no say in the laws, higher prices, lower wages and a smaller pension pot. What the hell are we doing this for ?"
the madness of Brexit.
The crux of the Daily Mail report is that David Davis is making soothing noises to industry and that Boris Johnson has been stitched up by being misquoted.
Not much of a story.
But in typical style you have totally ignored that. You have seized on a reader's comment which is a totally speculative remark from a bitter Remainer. You should consider becoming one of those gutter journalists who won't let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
Junker pleading for countries not to hold referendums now, not very democratic that and it would seem to indicate he is slightly worried over how the rest of the member countries citizens might feel about the EU, surely if the EU was such a beacon of well managed democracy he would have nothing to fear
Did I have a plan ?
Firstly no-one had one because the establishment under estimated the voter. Cameron assured the E.U moguls that the vote would be for remaining and neither side thought much about what they would do in the event of a leave decision. So far until we trigger the article everyone is posturing . What needs doing now is to set the negotiations in motion and for the legal jerrymandering to stop. Obviously we wish to trade with them and they with us but until the process begins neither side will start to show their hands. There is little or no point in Farron wanting to stay in the single market if Merkyl and her cohorts refuse us access . His trite little soundbite " that we don't know the destination" is just that . The countries majority said out and that's exactly what it meant. Everyone knew that out meant the organisation in total , single market , customs union , border controls the lot. Really there was little confusion. All the while we tip toe round the problem and the remain camp keep up their back stabbing the E.U's hand gets stronger. They are the people that are playing politics with your life , they have vested interests and they care little for the voter. It appears that May has tried to ensure the rights of Eu citizens in the U.K for a similar agreement for Brits abroad but it's Junker and Schultz that won't discuss it. This is why it is best to get on with it , until you start talking in earnest nothing will get done and it will all become more and more complicated than it already is.
Cameron went with a 4 part plan to try and reform the E.U it encompassed changes in rules on The single market , Migration , welfare benefits relating to free movement , and federalisation .He did not have to call the referendum until 2017 but They said in the words of De Gaulle ""NON "" and he came back empty handed . They made it quite clear that they were not going to change , that they were more protectionist than outward looking . That's why I voted to leave because it's like pouring your cash into a black hole. They and us will never have enough to finance all of their plans. We have the money and we need to exercise the right to spend it to the benefit of this country before we bail out the tottering economies of the others.
I come from a position of 45 years as a salesperson , starting from junior rep to sales management and then running my own business. The only way to conclude an amicable deal is to start talking and finding common ground. Time to get it on.
A11M11 wrote:Did I have a plan ?
Firstly no-one had one because the establishment under estimated the voter. Cameron assured the E.U moguls that the vote would be for remaining and neither side thought much about what they would do in the event of a leave decision. So far until we trigger the article everyone is posturing . What needs doing now is to set the negotiations in motion and for the legal jerrymandering to stop. Obviously we wish to trade with them and they with us but until the process begins neither side will start to show their hands. There is little or no point in Farron wanting to stay in the single market if Merkyl and her cohorts refuse us access . His trite little soundbite " that we don't know the destination" is just that . The countries majority said out and that's exactly what it meant. Everyone knew that out meant the organisation in total , single market , customs union , border controls the lot. Really there was little confusion. All the while we tip toe round the problem and the remain camp keep up their back stabbing the E.U's hand gets stronger. They are the people that are playing politics with your life , they have vested interests and they care little for the voter. It appears that May has tried to ensure the rights of Eu citizens in the U.K for a similar agreement for Brits abroad but it's Junker and Schultz that won't discuss it. This is why it is best to get on with it , until you start talking in earnest nothing will get done and it will all become more and more complicated than it already is.
Cameron went with a 4 part plan to try and reform the E.U it encompassed changes in rules on The single market , Migration , welfare benefits relating to free movement , and federalisation .He did not have to call the referendum until 2017 but They said in the words of De Gaulle ""NON "" and he came back empty handed . They made it quite clear that they were not going to change , that they were more protectionist than outward looking . That's why I voted to leave because it's like pouring your cash into a black hole. They and us will never have enough to finance all of their plans. We have the money and we need to exercise the right to spend it to the benefit of this country before we bail out the tottering economies of the others.
I come from a position of 45 years as a salesperson , starting from junior rep to sales management and then running my own business. The only way to conclude an amicable deal is to start talking and finding common ground. Time to get it on.
Ooooh! Brazilian Gooner all gaysablazin is calling you!
GoonerMuzz wrote:Nutflush, Rob and Wilson not one of you has made any comment on the post i have made about the future direction of the EU and the concerns in raises.
I will repeat, please tell me exactly how it is advantageous for us along with Germany and France to be tied in not only economically but with taxation and a monetary fund to another 25 nations none of which are in a position to pay their way without considerable subsidies from the net contributors, not only this but there are currently 4 other nations looking to accede to the EU who also have limited economies and very little to provide the remainder of the EU.
We have seen a long worldwide recession which caused major economic issues to EU member states which the worst hit have still not recovered from, the problems within the Eurozone caused major economic problems to the next contributors within it and it took those countries longer to recover from the recession than we did yet you would have us remain in the EU which is looking to become economically closer including all member states having to adopt the Euro and also common taxation policies, i cannot see the advantage to us as a nation so please tell me what i am missing because obviously i have less understanding of fiscal and economic policy than you
I thought that is how it worked, you lend people money they can't afford, charge them interest on the money that only therotically existed so they can buy goods and services from us, that they also probably can't afford then wait for it all to come crashing down, then start it all again?
it works on the local scale with banks / mortgages etc why not on a larger scale?
if they go completly bankrupt the stronger lending companies/countries get nothing back so they stay on the edge of it. if enough countries pay enough interest before they collapse everyone is happy (except if you live in a smaller country) you can even bank on a bit corruption and waste that means they will be in debt forever
my example is probably way to simple but i am guessing it works something like that
I understand how it works but the point is i really don't fancy being tied ever more deeply into the EU and potentially being obligated to spend our economic strength bailing out the weaker countries whose economies are so poor due to their own mismanagement, when banks do it only their customers are at risk when nations do it the entire populace is at risk.
There was a report today that part of the meeting between the finance ministers of all the EU countries, strangely we were excluded even though we are still a member, that part of the agenda of the meeting was exactly what was laid out in the 5 Presidents report, by the way the complete title of the document is - The Five Presidents Report: Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union, i think that says it all
I can't really understand why people are so blasé about this but maybe i'm missing something
From what I gather from various reports....it seems that the EU employed federalist minded twats are calling for ever more expansionism and one-size-fits-all taxation.
The basic idea is that dynamic and successful countries should share their wealth with the backward countries who haven't got a clue how to make their own economies work.
A wonderful plan for the future of Europe. Fucking idiots
What I wanna know is this; the Germans had their asses handed to them in two world wars and the French surrendered in the last of those world wars... how the fuck are the Germans and the French now running Europe??!!
You should consider becoming one of those gutter journalists who won't let the truth get in the way of a good headline.
