As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
rjw1985 wrote:
haha I told you already they won't get me down
plus...surely differing opinions are what makes a forum, if everyone agreed with each other it would be pretty poo
Okay, calm down ladies...
We certainly DO welcome differing opinions on here but you can't just say that "Wenger is the best" and expect to not get challenged on it. rjw1985 - present these facts you claim to base your argument on.
To be fair I was a bit more elaborate than "Wenger is the best" and have yet to hear a counter to my arguments other than I'm an idiot or bellend for thinking so.
The facts are obvious but let me point out a few for the uneducated:
3 x Premier League titles
Won the League in first full season
Won the league at Shite Hart Lane
The Invincibles
6 x FA Cups
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.
Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.
If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!
I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.
rjw 1985 past glories count for little,keeping a manager who was once great out of sympathy or because of memories is ridiculous,Arsenal football club has stood still for 10 years now,do you think we can win another title under Wenger let alone the CL?? Remember Nottingham Forest and Brian Clough? they won the league and conquered Europe,something weve never managed but after the glory years came the steady decline with mid table mediocrity followed by relegation,do you think looking back that forest were right to keep clough as manager even when they were garbage and the football was dire?the brainwashed forest fans thought he was the messiah,ask them now how they feel and if clough should have gone earlier,with a clear head I think you will find they realise now that he was finished years before he retired,it looks pretty sad looking back to think they kept faith in him even though they were failing at every level,well we are the new Nottingham Forest,the glory years are long gone,everybody else is hoovering up the trophies while we stagnate,Wenger has to go,sentiment cant be allowed to cloud your judgement,he is no longer a coveted manager,more of a figure to poke fun at,and with just 3 months left on his contract why is no other club banging down the door to hire him??
rjw1985 wrote:
To be fair I was a bit more elaborate than "Wenger is the best" and have yet to hear a counter to my arguments other than I'm an idiot or bellend for thinking so.
The facts are obvious but let me point out a few for the uneducated:
3 x Premier League titles
Won the League in first full season
Won the league at Shite Hart Lane
The Invincibles
6 x FA Cups
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.
In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement
IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one
Not half as ridiculous as going 2 down to what should be cannon fodder in a final and then hitting the panic button because you know your jobs on the line......also not half as ridiculous as using fergie as the yardstick...ill take 2 CL final wins all day long pal...you keep up the qualifying though....make up the numbers...good boy!!
rjw1985 wrote:
To be fair I was a bit more elaborate than "Wenger is the best" and have yet to hear a counter to my arguments other than I'm an idiot or bellend for thinking so.
The facts are obvious but let me point out a few for the uneducated:
3 x Premier League titles
Won the League in first full season
Won the league at Shite Hart Lane
The Invincibles
6 x FA Cups
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.
In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement
IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one
RE the statement in red. Mate, I have heard that from AKB's and Wenger-apologists for years now and I still do not get it. You mention Fergie. Is that the same Fergie that actually WON the CL twice? That Fergie? You know what? I'd take winning it twice and NEVER qualifying for it in all the years in between ahead of just qualifying for the thing...
We certainly DO welcome differing opinions on here but you can't just say that "Wenger is the best" and expect to not get challenged on it. rjw1985 - present these facts you claim to base your argument on.
To be fair I was a bit more elaborate than "Wenger is the best" and have yet to hear a counter to my arguments other than I'm an idiot or bellend for thinking so.
The facts are obvious but let me point out a few for the uneducated:
3 x Premier League titles
Won the League in first full season
Won the league at Shite Hart Lane
The Invincibles
6 x FA Cups
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.
Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.
If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!
I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.
I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?
I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.
20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!
xgtdec wrote:
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.
In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement
IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one
RE the statement in red. Mate, I have heard that from AKB's and Wenger-apologists for years now and I still do not get it. You mention Fergie. Is that the same Fergie that actually WON the CL twice? That Fergie? You know what? I'd take winning it twice and NEVER qualifying for it in all the years in between ahead of just qualifying for the thing...
rjw1985 wrote:
To be fair I was a bit more elaborate than "Wenger is the best" and have yet to hear a counter to my arguments other than I'm an idiot or bellend for thinking so.
The facts are obvious but let me point out a few for the uneducated:
3 x Premier League titles
Won the League in first full season
Won the league at Shite Hart Lane
The Invincibles
6 x FA Cups
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.
Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.
If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!
I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.
I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?
I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.
20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!
Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.
xgtdec wrote:
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.
In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement
IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one
Not half as ridiculous as going 2 down to what should be cannon fodder in a final and then hitting the panic button because you know your jobs on the line......also not half as ridiculous as using fergie as the yardstick...ill take 2 CL final wins all day long pal...you keep up the qualifying though....make up the numbers...good boy!!
You have to qualify to win it, albeit that has not happened yet unfortunately.
Anybody would swap winning it twice for qualifying 20 times, only a mongatron would say otherwise.
Finally - we went 2 down in a final, came back and won it, what the fuck are you crying about?
rjw1985 wrote:
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.
In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement
IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one
RE the statement in red. Mate, I have heard that from AKB's and Wenger-apologists for years now and I still do not get it. You mention Fergie. Is that the same Fergie that actually WON the CL twice? That Fergie? You know what? I'd take winning it twice and NEVER qualifying for it in all the years in between ahead of just qualifying for the thing...
Anybody would, that's stating the obvious.
And yet you seem to think that Wenger has "achieved" something great that Ferguson could not achieve... qualifying for but NEVER winning a competition...
xgtdec wrote:
And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?
Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well
Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row
FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.
Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.
If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!
I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.
I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?
I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.
20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!
Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.
No lets take it back as step, as a new member to this forum I have been insulted a number of times for having a differing opinion from you and others, that's not very good form is it? Then crying over being called fickle, catch yourself on. If you can't take it don't give it out.
