THE WENGER THREAD

[Gunner Rob]

The current state of the club is so sad for the fans. From top to bottom it is infested with parasites who have no hunger or ambition to take us to the next level and have us competing with the top clubs in the world.

As has been mentioned Kroenke is only in it for steady profits and his investment value rising every year.

Wenger knows this and is shameless enough to just satisfy these 2 criteria of Kroenke, resulting in him being unsackable and maintaining full power and control of the club.

Gazidis and the board know they have no power over Kroenke and Wenger so will not do anything to harm their positions, and keep riding the gravy train.

Same for the majority of the players. The *word censored* know they have life on easy street as long as Wenger remains. No surprise we have seen most of the squad come out and back Wenger over the last few months. Absolute cowards with not one bone of ambition in their bodies.

The few players who do have that hunger and desire to want to win leagues and chalmpions league all end up leaving. Van Persie, Fabregas, Henry all knew it and while it leaves a bitter taste for us seeing them go, they realised Wenger was a charlatan and couldn't wait to get out. Same story with Sanchez now.

It's all just so depressing.

I have no axe to grind with Cesc, RVP, Henry, or even Clichy, Sagna and Nasri they have all won titles while we stagnate, and yes no doubt Sanchez will sadly be next. They are not all moneygrabbers, they might have some professional pride and ambition, which we as a club don't.

from now on which world class player would actually sign for Arsenal these days?

[officepest]

from now on which world class player would actually sign for Arsenal these days?

Alex Song?

[OneBardGooner]

Sanogo!

[StanleyIpkiss]

The club was founded in 2005 by disaffected supporters of Manchester United.[2] Although fans had various reasons for dissatisfaction,[3][4] the catalyst for F.C. United's formation was the 12 May 2005 takeover of Manchester United by American businessman Malcolm Glazer.[5][6] Supporters first considered forming a breakaway club in 1998 during an attempted takeover of Manchester United by BSkyB.[7] The creation of F.C. United in the event of a Glazer buyout was first proposed in February 2005 by Manchester United fanzine Red Issue.[4][7]

If Wenger signs on, the club is doomed. Protest is something I agree with but deep down, I don't know how much difference it will make, particularly when a lot of the paying tickets fans support this awful regime.

I know it's long term, but two really give two fingers up to Kroenke/Wenger and the board that are happy to shit on us, setting up a Gooner FC would be something I could support. I can't stand the club right now, and I have no passion for no other club. I've tried, but my passion is Arsenal. It is painful now that I actually watch and want Arsene FC to lose games.

FC United are just 1 league away from the conference (lincoln/sutton) and so that's two leagues away from League 2. The amount of Arsenal fans there are, it wouldn't take long. And unlike Man Utd, can't see Kroenke having the ambition the Glazers have. Look at AFC Wimbledon too, they are in League 1. Two from the Premier League...I think there are as many disgruntled Arsenal fans as there are old school Wimbledon fans.

Reason I say this, is I feel Wenger will stay on. The club don't care about football. Kroenke has won 2 trophies in 30 years across 6 Franchises, 1 was in 1990s and the other was the womens lacrosse. We are just cash cows for him. If the Gooner for example suggested something I reckon it could take off.

A fan owned club, with members making the decisions is the future of football for the proper fan imo, and will put the others out of business if people have the patience. Just look at Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern, all fan owned. Just a thought.

[augie]

Kroenke is a huge problem. If Kroenke was a "football man", an old-school chairman or owner, he would have done his job and sacked Wenger years ago. Kroenke is a money man, a business man, once the money comes in he gives zero fucks about trophies and will never sack a manager that is making money.

The worry is that we finally get rid of Wenger and get in a new manager that slips into the same mould of delivering the bare requirement to keep the owner happy - and the owner again does not do what needs to be done from a football perspective.

We need Wenger gone. And then we need Kroenke the fuck out of our club as well.

I would suggest though, that if the next manager doesn't greatly improve on how le cock is doing, then he will quickly lose the support of the fans and this will in turn force the club to get rid - I don't think that there is any doubt that wenker's previous successes have given him the support of his sheep more than a different manager with the same results would get, and groundhog day seasons will have the p45 issued with haste

[postmanPat91]

I have no axe to grind with Cesc, RVP, Henry, or even Clichy, Sagna and Nasri they have all won titles while we stagnate, and yes no doubt Sanchez will sadly be next. They are not all moneygrabbers, they might have some professional pride and ambition, which we as a club don't.

Don't let DB10Gooner see this bit mate, he'll shit his pants

[OneBardGooner]

I have no axe to grind with Cesc, RVP, Henry, or even Clichy, Sagna and Nasri they have all won titles while we stagnate, and yes no doubt Sanchez will sadly be next. They are not all moneygrabbers, they might have some professional pride and ambition, which we as a club don't.

Don't let DB10Gooner see this bit mate, he'll shit his pants

Yeah! And dump it on StuartL's head

[Bob Bayliss]

Bloody hell, Ranieri sacked? Really? The bloke won the premiership with Leicester last season. WITH LEICESTER! (no apologies for caps...). Yes, they are back down to earth this season, but they've given a creditable account of themselves in the Champions' League, and they have a chance of making the last 8 at the first attempt.

The bloke doesn't deserve this, any more than Wenger deserves to be allowed to under-achieve at Arsenal year after year. Hopefully the juxtaposition will strengthen our hand.

[rodders999]

Leicester - be careful what you wish for

[officepest]

Wenger is going nowhere.

He is under no pressure from above (if there even is an above), and he clearly ain't going to walk away from the daft money he 'earns'. We are stuck with Le Bulbeye until he decides it's time to fuck off.

[officepest]

Leicester - be careful what you wish for

Real Boards have patience.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Di Matteo sacked a few months after winning the champions league, Mancini and Pellegrini sacked soon after winning the league, Maureen sacked six months after winning the league, Ranieri sacked nine months after winning the league. Wanker still in a job 14 years after last winning a title, never won the European Cup. Van Gaal sacked the day after winning the exact same trophy which apparently 'saved Wenger's job.'
How the fucking hell is this *word censored* still at our club?

[g60gooner]

Di Matteo sacked a few months after winning the champions league, Mancini and Pellegrini sacked soon after winning the league, Maureen sacked six months after winning the league, Ranieri sacked nine months after winning the league. Wanker still in a job 14 years after last winning a title, never won the European Cup. Van Gaal sacked the day after winning the exact same trophy which apparently 'saved Wenger's job.'
How the fucking hell is this *word censored* still at our club?

Yeah, but be careful what you wish for. None of those clubs ever won another trophy, and never will again either after sacking their managers. I mean, who was there to replace them, huh? Yeah, can't answer that one can you, eh,eh? Chelsea are still struggling to find the right manager since the first time they sacked Moaninho. Whatever happened to Chelsea,eh?? Never hear about them anymore.
Their fans problem is that they 'want to actually win trophies'. Fucking winning mentality. It makes me sick. Wankers.
And we all know you can't compete with the money these clubs have. As long as you don't include the likes of Atletico Madrid or Leicester's achievements in those conversations.

No, sticking with the same guy and settling for struggling to qualify for the top four every year is the way to go. The sooner you fake fans understand Wenger is the answer and not the problem, then all the better I say.
Kneel and pray before the Lord and saviour that is Wenger.

[Nos89]

Kroenke is a huge problem. If Kroenke was a "football man", an old-school chairman or owner, he would have done his job and sacked Wenger years ago. Kroenke is a money man, a business man, once the money comes in he gives zero fucks about trophies and will never sack a manager that is making money.

The worry is that we finally get rid of Wenger and get in a new manager that slips into the same mould of delivering the bare requirement to keep the owner happy - and the owner again does not do what needs to be done from a football perspective.

We need Wenger gone. And then we need Kroenke the fuck out of our club as well.

Spot On. I said this on here about a year ago and got slaughtered but its good to see people are coming round to see the real root cause of the problem. Its the person or persons keeping wenger in the job. I'm sure nearly everyone on here will stay in job, if they keep getting offered a new contract to deliver the same target for 12 years.

[Nick Bendtners Ego]

Another ex player/ employee who dares not call time on his old gaffer. Was there not a rumor Brady was disheartened by the youth system and his role at the club with disappointment at lack of progress and this veered towards Wenger as well hence quitting position? Lots of old chestnuts included in the interview including the bingo ten pointer of 'Careful what you wish for ' Best bit for me is the bit where he says He’s like the CEO of a big business ......says it all really



Arsenal may not find better than 'proven' Wenger, says Liam Brady

Arsenal legend and club ambassador Liam Brady accepts that sections of the club’s fanbase are restless for a change of manager, but warns they may not find better than the “proven” Arsene Wenger.


Speaking on Eamon Dunphy’s podcast The Stand, Brady said: “There’s a lot of uncertainty around the club. There’s a lot of the fanbase who would be unhappy to see Arsene Wenger in charge next year.

“But then, are clubs always going to listen to what the fans want to say?

“If you asked every fan to pick a team they’d probably pick a different team, each and every one of them. They all have their own views. But Arsene Wenger, I think, is proven at running this club.”

Brady did hint that the targets of the club’s hierarchy may not necessarily marry with the fans’ ambitions.

“He’s like the CEO of a big business and he’s delivered year in year out as regards the results that the owners are looking for. Maybe not the fans, but it’s only two years ago that he won the FA Cup. The year before he won the FA Cup and he’s constantly, consistently in the top four of the Premier League. To sack a man who has a record like that would seem unfair.”

But Brady stopped short of predicting Wenger will remain in charge next season.

“I think Arsene Wenger is in a position himself where he has to reflect on what he wants to do and I’m sure he’s doing to do that over the next few weeks.

“But some serious discussions are going to have to go on between Arsene and the principal owner Stan Kroenke and they’ve got to work it out between them whether Arsene is going to go on managing this club.”

Brady went on to defend Arsenal’s 13-year absence from the winner’s enclosure in the Premier League and the continued lack of a Champions League win.

“You have to look at the financial clout of the clubs he’s competing against. In those (early) days, he wasn’t competing against a Chelsea with Abramovich or a Man City with Abu Dhabi money. Even Tottenham were a poor shadow of what they are now. Liverpool have invested a lot of money. Man United are a money machine.

“To keep the team consistently in the last 10 years in the top four, without having the money to spend… I know he’s spent money, but nothing compared to the likes of Chelsea, Man City and Man United have been able to afford, I think you have to take all that into consideration. Man United spent £90m (€106.3m) on Pogba. Arsenal are not in that (space).

“Arsenal’s business plan is not going into debt. (With) Man City and Chelsea there is no debt. It’s just benefactors. You’re being bankrolled by a country and you’re being bankrolled by an oligarch. As Arsene said in the press conference the other day, Arsenal had no European pedigree until he came to the club and we didn’t really. We competed maybe twice in the old European Cup, once under George Graham and once under Bertie Mee.

“(Arsene’s) a victim of his own success really. Bayern Munich have the run of Germany. Look at all the players they have that played in other German clubs. As soon as they have one or two good seasons they’re in the Bayern Munich team. That doesn’t happen in England. Arsenal don’t have that clout.

“Lots of fans have been brought up on the team he created. And they are craving those days again. But it’s easier said than done. Be careful what you wish for.

“A new manager doesn’t guarantee you success.”