THE WENGER THREAD

[sk-gtfo]

Guess it depends what you mean by "invest any of their money". If you mean Kroenke should be paying for everything out of his own pocket then does that make us any better than City or Chelsea? If that is the route you think we should go down then fine but I would struggle with that idea.

The club itself generates huge amounts of money which our the economic genius in charge wastes by buying and overpaying substandard players.

I don't give a f**k about self-righteous bs (no offence!), if we were fan owned or something maybe I would but I'd rather have an oligarch than a bean counting asset stipping speculator like ours.

Agree that Wanger has wasted the money though, he has been found out since his early days when he could cherry pick the best the French had to offer, when he has to spend big he's no better, likely worse, than most top level current managers.

[NickF]

Guess it depends what you mean by "invest any of their money". If you mean Kroenke should be paying for everything out of his own pocket then does that make us any better than City or Chelsea? If that is the route you think we should go down then fine but I would struggle with that idea.

The club itself generates huge amounts of money which our the economic genius in charge wastes by buying and overpaying substandard players.

I don't give a f**k about self-righteous bs (no offence!), if we were fan owned or something maybe I would but I'd rather have an oligarch than a bean counting asset stipping speculator like ours.

Agree that Wanger has wasted the money though, he has been found out since his early days when he could cherry pick the best the French had to offer, when he has to spend big he's no better, likely worse, than most top level current managers.

As I said, absolutely fine. Just don't then have a pop at Chelsea or City for buying titles.....

[augie]

Kroenke has never invested one dollar in any of his teams it is documented quoted here and other sources.The USA system of drafting players and salary caps which for example the NHL team he owns the Av's went from winning a Stanley Cup to going back to being one of the worst teams.They never hit their salary cap ie there is always space for better players.

Arsenal is a good investment for him and he knows it.He will not invest in the team to make more money it is a concept that is totally against how his teams are run.He loves Wenger because he makes a profit season in and out and the share price goes ever higher.Hence the club becomes of more value.We are just a piece of his sports portfolio,nothing more nothing less.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... ommentsDiv

Indeed but it worries me that a lot of gooners seem to just accept that, I think when Wenger is gone we'll see the real Kroenke and that is not necessarily a good thing, don't get me wrong I want Wenger gone I just don't think him going is going to solve all our problems, it's just a first step.

Getting a Simeone or Allegri will go some way to appeasing me but I do wonder if we have the board/owner that will do enough to convince the really high profile managers to sign for us, can't wait for Wenger to leave so we can find out.

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

[Topside Northbank]

Kroenke has never invested one dollar in any of his teams it is documented quoted here and other sources.The USA system of drafting players and salary caps which for example the NHL team he owns the Av's went from winning a Stanley Cup to going back to being one of the worst teams.They never hit their salary cap ie there is always space for better players.

Arsenal is a good investment for him and he knows it.He will not invest in the team to make more money it is a concept that is totally against how his teams are run.He loves Wenger because he makes a profit season in and out and the share price goes ever higher.Hence the club becomes of more value.We are just a piece of his sports portfolio,nothing more nothing less.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... ommentsDiv

Indeed but it worries me that a lot of gooners seem to just accept that, I think when Wenger is gone we'll see the real Kroenke and that is not necessarily a good thing, don't get me wrong I want Wenger gone I just don't think him going is going to solve all our problems, it's just a first step.

Getting a Simeone or Allegri will go some way to appeasing me but I do wonder if we have the board/owner that will do enough to convince the really high profile managers to sign for us, can't wait for Wenger to leave so we can find out.

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

I may be in the minority but any prospective manager would jump at the chance to manage us a huge wage bill to play with and the knowledge that the board simply don't interfere.The location of the club and a fantastic salary on offer and knowing you are not replacing a man who has won a title recently or challenged in Europe there are a lot more high pressure jobs than Arsenal politically.Lose a game or two in Spain and the white hankerchiefs come out well Wenger wouldn't of been able to pull the wool over the Spanish media like he has here for so long.

No doubt in my mind we would be doing better,even with the same squad with a competent manager that played to our strengths while being aware of the opposition and having balls to prepare a team to stand up when the cards are stacked against us.

George Graham what I loved about him most of all was that in big games you knew as a fan we would turn up.I was at the Luton final we missed chances and a penalty but it wasn't a choke job it was simply not our day.

Grahams teams turned up when it mattered when the backs were against the wall we came back fighting the points deduction season,TA being sent to prison,games like the epic semi's with that lot down the road,Anfield and the underrated beating of Parma who had world class players but we stifled and beat them with inferior individuals because we had BELIEF instilled in us and a game plan.

That my friends was a night when mental strength and spirit shone through.

[northbank123]

Kroenke isn't being asked to put his hand in his pocket. The club makes more than enough money to be actually competitive but there is instead a culture which obsesses with stockpiling as much cash as humanly possible in the bank.

Allied to that there is within the existing expenditure plenty of room for improvement. Getting some value for money out of a 200m wage bill and more than Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi to show from an 80m+ splurge would be a start.

[sk-gtfo]

As I said, absolutely fine. Just don't then have a pop at Chelsea or City for buying titles.....

I am within my rights to have a go at them until we get a benefactor owner.

[sk-gtfo]

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

That is why I said getting a top manager would make me consider changing my opinion, people are just assuming we will get Allegri or whoever else is real top quality (Simeone?, Ancelotti?) if Wenger finally f**ks off, don't be surprised if we get some no mark like the guy a Leipzig.

[sk-gtfo]

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

That is why I said getting a top manager would make me consider changing my opinion, people are just assuming we will get Allegri or whoever else is real top quality (Simeone?, Ancelotti?) if Wenger finally f**ks off, don't be surprised if we get some no mark like the guy at Leipzig or someone far more 'off the radar' (aka Cheaper).

[GoonerMuzz]

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

That is why I said getting a top manager would make me consider changing my opinion, people are just assuming we will get Allegri or whoever else is real top quality (Simeone?, Ancelotti?) if Wenger finally f**ks off, don't be surprised if we get some no mark like the guy a Leipzig.

I'm still not convinced that Wenger is the main problem financially, and i think this would be either proved or disproved by who the next manager is, i've said before a top manager is going to be looking for assurances before taking over and i can honestly see budgets being a stickiing point, lets be honest it would take in the region of £150M minimum to fully overhaul this team and i just cannot see this sort of money being forthcoming until the manager has proven himself to the board.

I'm not sure many top class Managers would be willing to stake their reputation on the 'chance' funds would be made available but as i said we'll see eventually whether this year or in two years time

[Babu]

In fairness, whilst we all know that kroenke is a w**ker and a big hinderance to the club progressing, if we had a top quality manager we would certainly be performing better with the squad of players available to him

That is why I said getting a top manager would make me consider changing my opinion, people are just assuming we will get Allegri or whoever else is real top quality (Simeone?, Ancelotti?) if Wenger finally f**ks off, don't be surprised if we get some no mark like the guy a Leipzig.

We could get a Ranieri and do a Leicester.
Or we could get a Klopp and do a Liverpool.
Or a Conte and do a Chelsea.
Or a Van Gaal and do a ManU.

Who knows?

What we do know is that if we keep Mr. Wenger then nothing will change.

I am for giving the job to Lucien Favre. Wenger would also be happy with this idea, so maybe an amicable ending for him?
Favre comes from the french part of Switzerland, and is, imo, a genius.
You can all wiki him and see if you agree.

I love the guy.

He has got flaws, but I'm not looking for another 20+ year manager.
I'm looking for someone to sort out the shambles we have at the Club.
To get us playing with a new system and Favre can do that.

[1989]

Dreamt that Wenger was managing Utd the other night.

If only.

[Leyton Gooner]

1994. This is what a European trophy looks like Arsene

[JimmyAFC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C60-2EUXAAYiONt.jpg

This guy embodies everything that this club was before Gazidis, Wenger, Kroenke etc.

Unfortunately we all know what Wenger is and the person he is so it'll never happen, but I wish he had the integrity and class to do this.

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

So, there are now rumors about sporting director position at Arsenal to ease wenkers workload. What do you guys make out of this?

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/wenger-to- ... ach-system

[JimmyAFC]

So, there are now rumors about sporting director position at Arsenal to ease wenkers workload. What do you guys make out of this?

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/wenger-to- ... ach-system

Just another spin job from the club leaked through their media department in a bid to try and appease supporters.

This board have NO IDEA what they are doing. No hierarchy, no proper off-field structure in the football department and a lack of people in the department equipped to run a club in the proper manner.

Every single top club already has a sporting director. We know why we don't, Wenger. He doesn't want one and won't let that happen whilst he's here.

Egomaniacs and dictators don't allow their powers to be diminished in any capacity.