THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

Just ensure you keep us up to date mate - I want to be there sounds Well Good!

#FUCKOFFWENGER

[General]

I don't think the announcement on Le fraud's future was ever going to be made public before the end of the season or was the board waiting for a window to announce that he was staying. Historically the announcement has always been made at the end of the season.

The issue for me is the way and manner Le fraud has been allowed to manipulate the agenda to suit his view of the world. I think Gazidis tried to use the fan forum last week to correct some of these fallacies and we've seen the fraud now backtrack this week and says the announcement will come from the board and not him, contradicting his self serving behaviour after Brom when he said he'd made up his mind and will let the world know in due course. I've paid very little attention to a lot of the tripe he comes out with and reading too much into it is just a wasted emotion.

It's quite clear he's been sending subliminal messages to the board about his ability to still do the job and I do believe there is split within the hierarchy.

That split has been there for years imo. But it really has taken far too long for Gazidis to do something. He has always put out messages about funds and competing and that famous one about the manager and the fans.
But up until now it seems hes never moved cause of internal politics or maybe fear or maybe he has also been too comfortable.

But by all accounts my little chat with him after the W Brom game has done the trick.
You can thank me later.

Gazidis is no fool. He doesn't live in some alternative reality like Le fraud and would be acutely aware of the growing unrest amongst the fans even if Le fraud would like to dismiss this as media manipulation. I think he has always wanted change and modernisation without necessarily desiring a change in manager. He's probably been warning the hierarchy behind the scenes for sometime that we run the risk of getting left behind if we don't get our act together. When you read the story into StatDNA and how he had to lobby Le fraud into buying into it, it is clear he's actively seeking to overhaul some of the club's outdated ways of doing things especially transfers where Le fraud has presided over some abysmal signings in recent memory. All this talk of sporting director and coaching staff refresh are likely his brainchild.

Talking about the last six weeks acting as a catalyst for change also confirms the extensive run of poor results has finally presented him with the evidence he needs to force through these changes and an escalation in poor results will strengthen only his hand further. Like it or not, Le fraud has worked himself into a very powerful position and will continue to retain wiggy's support as long he delivers his fabled top 4 trophy together with a healthy balance sheet. If we fail to land CL football this season, it will weaken his position and I hope this gives Gazidis the added impetus to push him out of the door. It's still all to play for and I don't think anything is decided.

[Babu]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

I hope that "it" is a pointed stick...

[armchair]

Gazidis is no fool. He doesn't live in some alternative reality like Le fraud and would be acutely aware of the growing unrest amongst the fans even if Le fraud would like to dismiss this as media manipulation. I think he has always wanted change and modernisation without necessarily desiring a change in manager. He's probably been warning the hierarchy behind the scenes for sometime that we run the risk of getting left behind if we don't get our act together. When you read the story into StatDNA and how he had to lobby Le fraud into buying into it, it is clear he's actively seeking to overhaul some of the club's outdated ways of doing things especially transfers where Le fraud has presided over some abysmal signings in recent memory. All this talk of sporting director and coaching staff refresh are likely his brainchild.

Talking about the last six weeks acting as a catalyst for change also confirms the extensive run of poor results has finally presented him with the evidence he needs to force through these changes and an escalation in poor results will strengthen only his hand further. Like it or not, Le fraud has worked himself into a very powerful position and will continue to retain wiggy's support as long he delivers his fabled top 4 trophy together with a healthy balance sheet. If we fail to land CL football this season, it will weaken his position and I hope this gives Gazidis the added impetus to push him out of the door. It's still all to play for and I don't think anything is decided.

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

[VoiceOfReason]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

Good man Chris. If even a small percentage of our fanbase had your drive and determination, we would have already met with success. When this is over, I'll be lobbying for a statue of you outside the bowl !!

I take it you don't mean this bowl!?

Even this has more atmosphere than our actual bowl though.

[sk-gtfo]

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Yet again you miss the glaringly obvious point - Kroenke employs Wenger and has seen fit to award Wenger's failures with new contracts each time. Shifting the blame onto Kroenke nope, Wenger and Kroenke are basically one and the same thing.

[MecurialGooner]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

[Perryashburtongroves]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

Can it be a fucking cruise missile and fire him into Syria?

[Clash]

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Yet again you miss the glaringly obvious point - Kroenke employs Wenger and has seen fit to award Wenger's failures with new contracts each time. Shifting the blame onto Kroenke nope, Wenger and Kroenke are basically one and the same thing.

I have no reason to claim that what you say about Kroenke isn't completely right ... but Wenger was like he is now before Kroenke arrived.

In other words we have seen what a hindrance Wenger is without Kroenke ... we haven't yet seen how much of a hindrance Kroeknke is without Wenger. For me this makes Wenger the bigger problem at the club ... certainly in the short term, so I don't think Armchair is missing anything obvious. I think he is spot on.

And as Sean's post about Wenger's previous contracts shows, he was being given contract extensions he didn't merit long before it was Kroenke offering them to him. I think this is only the second time Kroenke has offered Wenger an extension but I stand to be corrected on that.

Wenger is the reason we do not compete for the PL & CL (but yeah Kroenke is one of the key reasons Wenger is still here ).

[Midz]

We are planning something...We are going to ram it up his Bony Arse...just you wait...be patient...we are not done yet, not by a long shot!!

Good luck, mate. Look forward to seeing what you do. Keep it private until it happens. We can be patient and enjoy the surprise.

[VoiceOfReason]

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Yet again you miss the glaringly obvious point - Kroenke employs Wenger and has seen fit to award Wenger's failures with new contracts each time. Shifting the blame onto Kroenke nope, Wenger and Kroenke are basically one and the same thing.

I have no reason to claim that what you say about Kroenke isn't completely right ... but Wenger was like he is now before Kroenke arrived.

In other words we have seen what a hindrance Wenger is without Kroenke ... we haven't yet seen how much of a hindrance Kroeknke is without Wenger. For me this makes Wenger the bigger problem at the club ...

I agree with the above. While I'm by no means a Kroenke fan, and his willingness to stand by Wenger is driving me insane, under normal circumstances (i.e. a shit manager not being able to blag fourth every year no matter what), I don't mind the fact that he stays the fuck out of the football club.

You only have to look at the likes of Blackburn, Newcastle, Hull, Cardiff, Aston Villa, Liverpool and so on to see the problems a hands-on owner can cause. Even Man Utd were plunged into debt with the Glazier's, but that's an aside.

Kroenke hasn't tried changing the club's name, our shirt colour, isn't dictating who we should sign, doesn't make himself the face of the club/brand, and generally stays the fuck out of it. If this were the Wenger of 1996-2006, then this would be an ideal scenario, because you don't want the owner sticking his beak in.

The problem is, we're in a rare situation where we have a manager that is failing in one regard (football matters) but succeeding in others (financial matters). Once Wenger eventually goes, this problem will ease. We'll have a manager that either has us competing at the top, pleasing both fan and owner; or we'll have one who's falling short, dissatisfying both fan and owner. The problem is that we have a manager who intentionally plans to finish fourth season after season after season, and that's why there's such division among the fanbase. Some see this as success (the club is making money and competing in the CL), the rest of us see it as failure (we're a football club, not a business).

So all I'm saying is that when we move on to a new manager, lightning won't strike twice. You'd be hard pressed to find another manager content to aim for fourth every year, and if we did, I can't see him having a 20+ year "success rate" a la Wenger. The new manager's successes or
failings will be more identifiable, and the board and fans will probably have more closely aligned opinions.

Ironic really that Wenger himself is the "special circumstance".

[General]

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Yet again you miss the glaringly obvious point - Kroenke employs Wenger and has seen fit to award Wenger's failures with new contracts each time. Shifting the blame onto Kroenke nope, Wenger and Kroenke are basically one and the same thing.

Failure is subjective as is success.

One is a conservative businessman and the other is a football coach turned accountant and fraud. They are never the same thing.

[VoiceOfReason]

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Yet again you miss the glaringly obvious point - Kroenke employs Wenger and has seen fit to award Wenger's failures with new contracts each time. Shifting the blame onto Kroenke nope, Wenger and Kroenke are basically one and the same thing.

Failure is subjective as is success.

One is a conservative businessman and the other is a football coach turned accountant and fraud. They are never the same thing.

This is another reason I think worse of Wenger than I do Kroenke. Stan is a businessman and makes no bones about being in it purely for the money, and you can almost accept that an owner is likely to be that way.

But Wenger is supposed to be a football man, on the same side as football fans. He was a (albeit fucking awful) player and has since spent his entire life in and around the game. He should share the same passion as fans in wanting to win trophies, and we should feel like he is on our side.

But he isn't. In many ways, he's more "Kroenke" than Kroenke himself, because he has a sheer obsession with being frugal and striving for money over success. He's
NOT on our side at all, which is why the entire regime feels so corrupt and vile.

[General]

Gazidis is no fool. He doesn't live in some alternative reality like Le fraud and would be acutely aware of the growing unrest amongst the fans even if Le fraud would like to dismiss this as media manipulation. I think he has always wanted change and modernisation without necessarily desiring a change in manager. He's probably been warning the hierarchy behind the scenes for sometime that we run the risk of getting left behind if we don't get our act together. When you read the story into StatDNA and how he had to lobby Le fraud into buying into it, it is clear he's actively seeking to overhaul some of the club's outdated ways of doing things especially transfers where Le fraud has presided over some abysmal signings in recent memory. All this talk of sporting director and coaching staff refresh are likely his brainchild.

Talking about the last six weeks acting as a catalyst for change also confirms the extensive run of poor results has finally presented him with the evidence he needs to force through these changes and an escalation in poor results will strengthen only his hand further. Like it or not, Le fraud has worked himself into a very powerful position and will continue to retain wiggy's support as long he delivers his fabled top 4 trophy together with a healthy balance sheet. If we fail to land CL football this season, it will weaken his position and I hope this gives Gazidis the added impetus to push him out of the door. It's still all to play for and I don't think anything is decided.

Even Wenger himself has revealed Gazidis' frustration with him over using the resources he has available. Gazidis wanting to actually improve tha squad and Wenger holding him back.
Fucking arsehole.
But yea let the AKB's and apologists divert the blame onto Kroenke with the "no money, his hands are tied" argument. Its Wenger holding us back with his penny-pinching, dithering and incompetence.

http://arsenal.news/news/arsene-wenger- ... ew-players

Wenger realises that as long as he delivers positive business results his job is safe. This would explain why the arsehole wants to curb Gazidis' enthusiasm for transfers and why we were the only club across the top 5 European leagues not to sign a single outfield player in 2015. Sanchez will be sold to fund the majority of transfer business this summer.

Thanks to the recent cash injection from broadcasting rights, the reliance on CL money (and ticket sales) has significantly reduced and we are far away from unraveling as a business. As long as we retain our league status we will produce satisfactory business results and that's the sad reality. Winning stuff has become a matter of pride and ambition and the immediate business benefits are now non existent. Kroenke can kick back, put his feet and leave the fraud to do as he pleases. Thd financial conditions are perfect.

[Wilson]

Gazidis could have been the next David Dein for all we know. I find him pointless and useless. Not because I consider him to be incompetent, but because he has been shelved by Wenger and cannot operate at his full capacity. In the mean time, he is happy to bob along and collect his salary. But can you really blame him? Steve Bould is the same - shelved by Wenger, but just turns up everyday for a pay cheque. I bet both Gazidis and Bould would want to do more, and do things differently off the field and on it. But they know if they overreach, Wenger will push them out.

Its Wenger and Kroenke who are the problem, everyone else is secondary.