As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
armchair wrote:Theres a whole fucking thread dedicated to debating the pros and cons of Wenger fs.
Is it possible we can keep all that shit over there? The mods have said this thread is for discussing Wenger Out protests.
Please dont let AKBs derail this thread with their nonsense.
Thanks
You guys have used EVERY single thread to start abusing wenger one way or another
This is singularly the most ironic post on the gooner
Steve_I wrote:
The Protest I do find embarrassing and ill thought out. The abuse I saw online shouted at players on the bus I have difficulty with and how people can think such things don't have a negative effect on the team is also beyond my limited intellect to comprehend.
Unless you've seen a different video to me, I didn't see anything particularly bad at the player bus, they should be thankful it isn't Spain, Italy or Turkey! Not quite sure what you expect, they put in a gutless performance on top of several other gutless performances away from home, they are not going to be nicely applauded. As far as negative effects, do you not think the uncertainty about Wenger's contract is more of a negative effect?
Just out of curiousity how would you have done the protest if you think it is ill thought out?
I wouldn't have done it. But had I been so inclined I would do the chanting outside the stadium, the marching, the loud hailering and the ranting on tv but I wouldn't have done anything in the ground, at the players/manager whilst playing nor shouted abuse at people - players or otherwise. It's just not me. I meet people each game in the pub a couple of whom think differently to me. We argue and debate over a pint or two before the game, after the game and sometimes at half time while we stand and wait the second half, but during play each of us cheer on the team. I find it all embarrassing because I go to work and people laugh more at our fan than the result. Part of th whole football thing is the banter/barracking between teams, the one upmanship, and when someone says to me "I see you Arsenal fans are ranting and abusing your manage again" It riles me. Other fans singing 'we want you to stay' is, imo, simply because some of our own fans have shouted him out. Had we not done that we would not have other fans singing that. fans from team a dozen places or so below us in the table. (my opinion) Others laugh at us and we would do so at them (and have done) when situations have been reversed. I also genuinely believe the protests do more harm than good (even If I though Wenger going was good) and given the Board we have, think they will be so much more inclined to keep him rather than be seen to respond to fan pressure. People have been campaigning for a decade or so and effectively - even if he leaves now because of protests, it would be seen as the least effective protest ever. Again something for others to laugh at. That's where the embarrassment comes from.
I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.
Armchair you are right but I think I just need to answer Steve here. Steve we are going to change tack....we are going to ask Arsene nicely to please leave. I think that should do the trick
Let's ask the deluded cun.t himself then shall we.
Dear Arsene,
Would you please be kind enough to give up the job as Arsenal manager at the end of the season? We know that you have done an absolutely fantastic job and although it may be difficult for you as you love the club so very much and the loss of £9.3 Million a year; and those little incidental bonuses paid of-shore to avoid any additional incursions of tax may be a little bit of an annoyance, but if you could be so kind hearted and generous to hand the reigns over to someone else, we would be enormously grateful.
Yours kindly and with the greatest respect
A Gooner and His Jolly Chums in The Red & White Army.
Nope, I don't think he's gonna do it!
Ohhhh! Well we tried, and we were 'ever so nice and polite'.
The abusing and heckling of players outside Palace had nothing to with the protests which I've been on. There is something quite ironic about the people who won't protest but are the first to abuse the team when results don't go out away.
Steve_I wrote:
I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.
Great idea!
This will get results!
I'm not sure which one will have the greatest impact!
Steve_I wrote:I'm an Arsenal supporter and Wenger Support - as I will be for whomever is the next manager. I would, had I voted in whatever poll that is, have been in the 16 % and will not 'leave with him when he goes'.
I have no venom for those who want him out although do not agree with their rationale. I believe should I meet herd in the pub that we'd be able to chat and share a pint while managing to have opposing views, because we're gooners. I do, whilst as mentioned carry no venom for individuals, vehemently oppose the protest culture that has overlapped into and during gametime.
Steve. I am sure I speak for the majority on here when I say that I genuinely respect Arsenal fans who hold opposing views about Wenger. If you think he is the right man to lead the Club in the next few seasons, fair enough. You are as entitled to your view as I am. I find it difficult to respect people who support Wenger just because he "is" the manager, though. Blind and unconditional loyalty to an individual lays supporters open to being held in absolute contempt, as we have seen. I also find it difficult to take seriously the sudden thirst for unity among his dwindling band of supporters, now they no longer have the numbers to supress dissent through intimidation.
If we don't get our views across inside the stadium the club pretends that the fans are with him. The team - Wenger's team - has underachieved for years, so it is hard to argue that the current toxic atmosphere will make a difference. If those of you who want him to stay want to sing 1AW during the match then that is your right. It is every bit as much our right to call for him to go during the match, when it will carry most weight.
Bob
I have said it here before that I am not supporting him just because he is the manager. I support him because I think he is a good manager and certainly the best we've had in my life time.
I certainly don't think the protests will hasten his leaving and may infact delay it. People have been chanting for him to go for a decade or so after all. I appreciate people feel they should protest and as someone who has protested over various things politically, it is a right that we should not deny. My view, however remains that such things during games have negative effects on the players on the field. I can fully understand the frustration leading to the spontaneity of the 'your not fit to wear the shirt' chants after a display like that which we witnessed last night but I can not understand pre planned protests that are aimed at someone from Arsenal (be it player/manager/kitman/groundsman) during a game. It has happened during games we were winning as well as losing.
I say again, I have no argument against protests outside the ground, to and from the grounds, on forum, in the pub, on the train/tube/walk... I don't agree with the current message trend but wouldn't ever say people shouldn't protest... I just don't, and guess I never will, GET premeditated negative chants/banners during games.
I have argued here before about tactics, reasons football and other although feel that to do so on this particular forum is to paddle up a waterfall.
I ask myself the same question regularly... will I be supporting the team and manager post-Arsene Wenger (whoever that is) at a game 15/20 years from today? and my answer is always 'yes'. (my health/physical ability to attend permitting of course) I think many here would say 'yes'
If you would answer that question in the affirmative then I'd ask a supplementary one... Same question if I'd asked it 15/20 years ago...?
the best in your life time?steve are you 20 years old? Wengers trophy haul seems impressive until you look at the time hes served the club then its pretty poor,9 trophies in 20 years against George grahams 6 trophies in 9,its less than GG who managed a European trophy and two league cups which sadly Wenger hasn't managed and back then the league cup meant something,also the invincible thing well GG went all season losing just once which people forget on our way to the 91 league title,that in itself was a no mean feat back in the day and unheard of,im not really sure where wenger being the best manager weve had stems from?is it because hes served 20 years? well Margret Thatcher served 11 as PM but doesn't go down as the greatest ever does she?
GG had liverpool to beat which was no mean feat but AW has had fergies united in the early years and for the last 10 years you have to add city Chelsea liverpool to the list
Steve_I wrote:People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.
Maybe something in the style of Dad's Army's Uncle Arthur ?
''We're sorry to be such a terrible nuisance old boy and we do not want to be seen as being hasty ... but with regards to signing this new contract ... do you think that's wise sir? Things have become rather samey of late and we fear this might be affecting the morale of the chaps''.
armchair wrote:Theres a whole fucking thread dedicated to debating the pros and cons of Wenger fs.
Is it possible we can keep all that shit over there? The mods have said this thread is for discussing Wenger Out protests.
Please dont let AKBs derail this thread with their nonsense.
Thanks
You guys have used EVERY single thread to start abusing wenger one way or another
This is singularly the most ironic post on the gooner [/quote
Steve_I wrote:
I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.
Great idea!
This will get results!
I'm not sure which one will have the greatest impact!
