As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Many people struggle with those sentiments Steve but you are entitled to them, wrong as you are
As for Wenger being our greatest ever Manager, if you just look at the first 8-10 years yes, take the second half he'd be nothing but a middle of the road manager, 2 FA cups in 12 complete seasons is very poor for a club of our size and financial resources.
As for the tactics things, it isn't necessarily the tactics he sends them out with that people struggle with but the fact that he is unable to react to whats going on on the pitch, when things go badly he does nothing more often than not, well except berate the fourth official.
The fact is the boys have done a sterling job organising these protests even thoough i disagree with the target myself and why you find them embarrassing and ill thought out escapes me, are we to just accept our team continuing to languish in its own malaise going nowhere and still give them our unstinting support?
This is not a free entertainment we follow, we pay for it and therefore we have the right to expect more from our 'investment'.
Of course I am wrong, as are you
My problem is that I believe people feel entitled to more than our positioning necessarily dictates. Yes, I agree, it is frustrating given where we have come from and the moves we have made but, with the exception of Leicester, we haven't come behind a team with less resources than ourselves in recent years I know we didn't 'challenge' for the title to any great level at the business end of the season but we did, (again with the exception of Leicester) finish above where our 'resources' would dictate, last year. If we talk about resources then do we have to ignore Leicester?
Trust me I am gutted and exasperated by our current league form and position and if I knew what would make the difference I would shout it from the rooftops (without abusing manager or players during games of course)
Here's a thing:
At the recent game at home to West Ham, there was a pro Arsene banner at the end of the game and a round of applause after that corner of the ground sang "one Arsene Wenger" I always wait at end until the rush has gone down before walk to the pub. A chap who sits along for me is as negative as one can be and in stark contrast to my 'positive' outlook we have a post game 'debate' on most occasions (apart from the recent 1-5 to the Germans when he was so angry he made no eye contact with me as he walked by (a sensible move for both of us perhaps) He wants change and we can chat about it amicably on most games. What he will never do however, he told me this when I asked, is chant negatively, wave banners etc during games. I think there are many that feel the same as he while there are still many who feel like me.
What me and my co-gooner pal both have in common is one thing, the love of Arsenal and the (two things) the love of Arsenal and the bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the love of banter(three things) The love of Arsenal, The bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the banter which we indulge in at each game we meet. So that and the desire to see us win things.
Bugger that's four - . The love of Arsenal, The bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the banter which we indulge in at each game we meet and the desire to see us win things. So those four things we share but the answer to the fourth we differ on. We will both be there (health prevailing) next season and the next etc etc and will deal with defeat in our differing ways. Me annoyingly trying to make light (it's my coping mechanism) and his furious and thunderous silence and pulsing temple veins, but we'll meet again next time and cheer on the team together.
Bit drunk now so that'll do as work in morning and going to drink tea and watch football.
ONE ARSENE WENGER after beating a shit west ham side??
If you are gutted with the league form get ready for a whole lot more under this clueless wanker
earlier question how will you feel in 15 years time?????
that question alone rings alarm bells ....if you are Arsenal thats it ......till you fucking die....otherwise you aint a supporter
by the way yes you are entitled to your opinion.....no problem with that
Just seen this not sure how much truth there is in it, but seems to tally with what Herd was saying months ago......
Hoping its true........
Wenger, who is out of contract at the end of the season following over 20 years at the Gunners, has been presented with a two year contract extension by the club’s board.
The French boss hasn’t signed the deal yet as Arsenal’s season seems to deteriorate on a weekly basis, and it’s now been claimed that one senior figure at the Emirates Stadium wishes to take the contract offer off the table.
Who are we talking about?
According to Arsenal Supporters Club member Tim Payton, Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis no longer wants Wenger at the club.
He wants a fresh manager to come in in the summer, however others on the Arsenal board, including majority shareholder Stan Kroenke, aren’t on the same page.
augie wrote:FFS redarmy, will you please stop feeding this wum ?
Just because someone offer a different view to the norm, doesn't automatically make them a WUM. Didn't see anything in Steve's last post that could be considered that (not that I agree with him).
What fucking tactics....never seen any preparation for opponents unlike all other premier league managers
Same fucking way if its WBA or Man Utd or Bayern Munich???
Have never seen any evidence of work from the training ground manifesting in actual game time, such as rehearsed free kicks, or the dreaded corners...FFS
(George Graham used to prepare along with Don Howe they were tactical masters)
Corners have been a total disgrace for years...most barely reaching the opposition penalty area
Zonal Marking.....or whatever thats meant to be......DISGRACE....under 12 team looks better organised
How many times have the team been under pressure likely to concede a goal at any moment...and what does he do ...FUCK ALL
Sits there wringing his hands or playing with his fucking zip which he seems intellectually unable to master
Then when we do inevitably concede , argue with the 4th Official who thinks you are a total lunatic......
Please guys have i got this wrong??......is this above a true statement as i for one cannot believe it
augie wrote:FFS redarmy, will you please stop feeding this wum ?
Just because someone offer a different view to the norm, doesn't automatically make them a WUM. Didn't see anything in Steve's last post that could be considered that (not that I agree with him).
Tbh Nick that is a lazy response - I have debated with genuine wenger defenders on here for years without labelling them as wum's, but this guy (unless I'm mistaken) comes around everytime we are in the middle of a serious shit storm, and then tries to defend the French c.unt with stuff that even wenker's biggest fans don't buy into
Maybe I am mistaken in which poster was posting previously and if I am wrong then I apologise, but I am so fed up at the mo and just cannot see how any right minded person can make any defence for wenker - in other words anyone defending the guy now is either totally nuts or a wum imo
augie wrote:FFS redarmy, will you please stop feeding this wum ?
Just because someone offer a different view to the norm, doesn't automatically make them a WUM. Didn't see anything in Steve's last post that could be considered that (not that I agree with him).
Tbh Nick that is a lazy response - I have debated with genuine wenger defenders on here for years without labelling them as wum's, but this guy (unless I'm mistaken) comes around everytime we are in the middle of a serious shit storm, and then tries to defend the French c.unt with stuff that even wenker's biggest fans don't buy into
Maybe I am mistaken in which poster was posting previously and if I am wrong then I apologise, but I am so fed up at the mo and just cannot see how any right minded person can make any defence for wenker - in other words anyone defending the guy now is either totally nuts or a wum imo
apart from his multitude of failings he has set up a player relaxed mode so complete they are comfortable to say this.....after loosing 3-0 to a team battling relegation.....then has the cheek to question it as well
Arsene Wenger has said it was unacceptable for his Arsenal players to publicly admit that Crystal Palace "wanted it more" following Monday's defeat at Selhurst Park.
augie wrote:FFS redarmy, will you please stop feeding this wum ?
Just because someone offer a different view to the norm, doesn't automatically make them a WUM. Didn't see anything in Steve's last post that could be considered that (not that I agree with him).
augie wrote:FFS redarmy, will you please stop feeding this wum ?
Just because someone offer a different view to the norm, doesn't automatically make them a WUM. Didn't see anything in Steve's last post that could be considered that (not that I agree with him).
Nope
was wondering how long it would take you to back up nick's post