THE WENGER THREAD

[VoiceOfReason]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

yeah like ' its only one league title' the fucktards

Or "They didn't go unbeaten so it doesn't count", or "I wouldn't swap 20 years of CL for one league title".

[GoonerMuzz]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

[supergeorgegraham]

The catalyst for change has started. Ivan has announced that Arsenal have just signed a huge contract to import shell on prawns caught off the coast of Iceland to replace the frozen Atlantic Prawns currently in use for diamond club members.
In a statement he said "I promised change and now we can say that we have the best prawn sandwiches in football. Our commitment to our fans is absolute and we have proven how effective we have been at selecting the best possible prawns so our fans have a great experience.
Arsene Wenger was also full of praise for the new prawns but would not comment on the rumour that the club might turn to Aberdeen Angus Burgers stating that he did not want to comment at this time.

[StuartL]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

Even a cursory glance at the league table will.show that
Chelsea top - New manager
Spurs 2nd -3rd season manager
Liverpool 3rd - 2nd season manager
City 4th - New manager
Everton 5th - New manager
Mancs 6th - New Manager
The Arsenal - same old sterile lunatic narcissist.

I do recall changing Don Howe for Geoge E Graham was quite successful
And replacing Bruce almighty Rioch worked ok for a few years too.

[VoiceOfReason]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

Even a cursory glance at the league table will.show that
Chelsea top - New manager
Spurs 2nd -3rd season manager
Liverpool 3rd - 2nd season manager
City 4th - New manager
Everton 5th - New manager
Mancs 6th - New Manager
The Arsenal - same old sterile lunatic narcissist.

I do recall changing Don Howe for Geoge E Graham was quite successful
And replacing Bruce almighty Rioch worked ok for a few years too.

Even Rioch himself was a breath of fresh air at the time. Obviously not the right person long-term and did a great job fucking off our soon-to-be record scorer, but taking that abysmal, relegation-esque 1994/95 side and turning it into a team that qualified for Europe was a decent performance IMO. Yes, he had the benefit of Bergkamp's arrival, but he at least got us out of the Selley, Hillier, McGoldrick, Dickov rut and cleaned out a lot of the dross.

Which is exactly what will need doing when Wenger goes. And we all laugh at Rioch, but AW's team is currently seventh, and even Rioch wasn't that bad.

[Pete on the beach]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

Even a cursory glance at the league table will.show that
Chelsea top - New manager
Spurs 2nd -3rd season manager
Liverpool 3rd - 2nd season manager
City 4th - New manager
Everton 5th - New manager
Mancs 6th - New Manager
The Arsenal - same old sterile lunatic narcissist.

I do recall changing Don Howe for Geoge E Graham was quite successful
And replacing Bruce almighty Rioch worked ok for a few years too.

Even Rioch himself was a breath of fresh air at the time. Obviously not the right person long-term and did a great job fucking off our soon-to-be record scorer, but taking that abysmal, relegation-esque 1994/95 side and turning it into a team that qualified for Europe was a decent performance IMO. Yes, he had the benefit of Bergkamp's arrival, but he at least got us out of the Selley, Hillier, McGoldrick, Dickov rut and cleaned out a lot of the dross.

Which is exactly what will need doing when Wenger goes. And we all laugh at Rioch, but AW's team is currently seventh, and even Rioch wasn't that bad.

And a 94/95 side that also reached a second consecutive Euro final

[BFG4]

I just listened to the Gooner podcast, and although everyone on there said Wenger should go, one guy came out with this gem, that he genuinely believes Wenger cares about the fans. This is only a few weeks after Wenger trying to belittle the fans protest. What about the time he defended high ticket prices by saying "go to the game, and judge was it worth the price you paid". I'm sure he cares so much about the fans, when he refuses to let us know about his future, and instead smirks, and comes out with lines like "i know what I will do in my future". When it comes to Wenger, it seems some people just remember the friendly, smiling guy we seen in the early years, and ignore the nasty, arrogant wanker, he has proven to be when things go wrong.

[VoiceOfReason]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

Even a cursory glance at the league table will.show that
Chelsea top - New manager
Spurs 2nd -3rd season manager
Liverpool 3rd - 2nd season manager
City 4th - New manager
Everton 5th - New manager
Mancs 6th - New Manager
The Arsenal - same old sterile lunatic narcissist.

I do recall changing Don Howe for Geoge E Graham was quite successful
And replacing Bruce almighty Rioch worked ok for a few years too.

Even Rioch himself was a breath of fresh air at the time. Obviously not the right person long-term and did a great job fucking off our soon-to-be record scorer, but taking that abysmal, relegation-esque 1994/95 side and turning it into a team that qualified for Europe was a decent performance IMO. Yes, he had the benefit of Bergkamp's arrival, but he at least got us out of the Selley, Hillier, McGoldrick, Dickov rut and cleaned out a lot of the dross.

Which is exactly what will need doing when Wenger goes. And we all laugh at Rioch, but AW's team is currently seventh, and even Rioch wasn't that bad.

And a 94/95 side that also reached a second consecutive Euro final

True. But the league form was horrible and if you compare early 1995 Arsenal (Stewart Houston era) to late 1995 Arsenal (Rioch), it was night and day. Rioch was okay as a transitional manager for one season, but nothing more.

[VoiceOfReason]

Arsenal now out to 12/1 to make top four, drifting from 7/1 this morning, after Liverpool and Man Utd's wins today. Have to say, this genuinely feels like we're done and dusted this season now. I'd been dubious based on Wenger's track record and the games in hand, but I'm 100% sure we're toast now.

[goonersid]

Just popped in to say Happy Easter and fuck off wenger you fucking bastard!!!

[Kvltman]

http://www.football365.com/news/wenger- ... ng-players

So for the last few weeks Wenger has been saying that the uncertainty over his own future hasn't affected the players, and only now he doesn't know in fact whether it is or not?? In the name of sanity just look at how many times he says "I don't know" in that interview. And yet in all liklihood he still controls hisfuture and therefore the clubs future. This situation is nothing short of farcical and and a disgrace.

[Offside]

Typical Wenger flip-flopping. Like blaming fatigue when it suits him and then flip-flopping and saying the long break before Liverpool away for our performance.

Or last season, when he said he had no issues when we had to play West Brom on Thursday and then Sunderland on Sunday. Then after we drew the Sunderland game, he said it was because of tiredness.

[StanleyIpkiss]

We are a big club.
We have won 13 league titles which is only bested by Man United and Liverpool.

Even before the Wenger era, we had a golden period in the George Graham era,

The man is a traitor and saboteur.

When I came to England in 1972 we had won the League 8 times.
Liverpool, Manchester United and Everton were on 7
The rest of London had combined 3

We had won the F.A. Cup 4 times.
Manchester United had 3
Liverpool had 1
I can't remember how many the rest of London had at that time.

Man United had the European Cup, George Best, and the plane crash, but we were comfortably the biggest Club in the South, and had got a European Trophy as well ( I believe the rest of London also had a few )

The Board let us down by not investing even then, and then sold the Club to an arsehole and let the biggest arsehole carry on running the Club at 4th level.


We are underachieving. Massively. And this fraud of a "manager" has let the other London Clubs get dangerously close, if not ahead of us.

It will only get worse Babu, Kroenke will see to that with his lack of ambition whilst City, Chelsea, United, Spurs & Liverpool move ahead of us. I fear we are in for another long spell like '71-89' under this c**t of an owner.

I hope Danny Fiszman is burning in hell for selling out to Kroenke just to spite Dein, pathetic stuff. Fans need to wake up, I just want Wenger to f**k off now so the attention can shift to the bigger problem, get out of the way Wenger FFS!.

13 years in from our '71-89' drought....so a title in 5 years? i'm not sure i'll ever see Arsenal ever win a title with Wiggy Kroenke in charge. People say it's Wenger to blame etc, why would Wenger sack himself? Kroenke has to be sacking Wenger...keeping him on is far worse than any shit Wenger tactics/buys.

[Steve_I]

Get the sense that if Tottenham did win the league the AKBs still wouldn't bat an eyelid. There's probably a full list of excuses written up already.

Out of amusement or possibly sadism, I've been reading articles on Untold Arsenal recently, one of the latest was about how if Wenger was sacked we'd take an immediate drop in league position, even using stats from previous management changes to back things up..... what confused me was that we are dropping like a stone under Wenger currently so where would the difference be.

It seem the narrative is slowly changing from 'who would you replace him with' to 'look whats happened when we've sacked managers in the past' in some AKBs minds

I'm actually finding UA quite cathartic at the moment, it used to be infuriating how blind they are over there but now it is actually amusing how they keep moving the goal posts nearly every week

To think I wouldn't bat an eyelid if the scum won the bloody thing is off the mark. It would be horrendous.

Muzz, It's strange to see both extremes (and admittedly I am the other end of the spectrum from you) Where you talk about it being cathartic looking at those posts, it also works the other way round and I think I feel much the same but from the opposite perspective, when I read on here.

The 'dropping like a stone' bit. I see it as a sign of things being wrong, most certainly but (this is my way of thinking and not as will be perceived by some as deliberately provocative) to see such a thing as a blight on major blight on our manager surely means that when it is not the case, then he should be credited?

It is crap to try and make a point here but I'm not trying to convert anyone (as if that would be possible) but rather just try to say how I and many others view it. from a different perspective.

making points here - or any online forum/blog/positive/negative/non-committal etc, is never easy and will be taken with bias before it's even read.

[Perryashburtongroves]

The man is a lying, untrustworthy deluded *word censored* of then highest order when deserves nothing less than being dragged kicking and screaming out of that job. What a complete *word censored*. Just fuck off.