THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

Usmanov:- "Wenger should pick his own successor"
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... er-usmanov

[Babu]

, I doubt it though, Arsenal fans are too f**king soft, more likely the stadium will just slowly get more and more empty.

We are heading for the dreaded "sleeping giant" status,

Yes, we will lose matchday money, but not that much.
60% of tickets are season tickets,. so even 60% of £100m is good, and that's worst worse-case scenario.

We will lose Champions League money, which was £50m last year. That hurts.
TV money is so high in England, we get £100m now, but even Swansea/WBA got £75m, so no real loss there. The problem with the TV money is that now suddenly all the WBA/Stokes have got decent money, and will buy better players, etc., etc, so another step back for us.

Our Emirates Deal for Stadium and shirt sponsorship is worth £30m a year.
It's been extended to 2019 for shirts and 2028 for the Stadium!
Just for example, ManU are getting £56m from Chevrolet, Chelsea £40m with Yokohama Rubber

The new Puma deal, which was "so amazing" when it came out, because we were getting to get £30m a year, has now been dwarfed by Man United's £75 million deal with adidas, and Chelsea's £60 million deal with our old shirt suppliers, Nike, which is coming next season.

The commercial performance is failing, and the only way to help that is to get success on the pitch, and that involves investment in new players, and getting rid of the manager, and then employing a Director of Football and a Manager, and a few trainers, etc., etc., so Kroenke thinks it's better to keep ambling along, like he is doing with all his other playthings.

Our wage bill is nearly £200 million, and we're not allowed to raise the player wage bill by more than £7m a year for the next 3 years so again we won't be giving Sanchez his wage increase, that is FACT. Or Ozil. We are not allowed to do it, as we are paying our mediocre players much too much.
Again a huge mistake, but Wenger's an economics genius?!? Laughable.

We are going to be a sleeping giant.

And not a Liverpool. They still got cups ( including that big-eared one ) in their slumbering years.

We are heading to Newcastle United depths of sleeping giant.

Or worse.

Newcastle have got no competition for their season tickets, etc. up there.

We've got that Club down the road building a new Stadium
They're looking for naming rights/take-over/who knows.

The Nightmare Scenario is them over-taking us.

[Trevor Ross]

Conte- "They showed more desire, more ambition, more motivation. In this case the fault is of the coach.

He added: "It means the coach was not able to transfer the right concentration, desire, ambition to win this game."

Who'd have thought it? A manager taking the blame for a defeat.

[augie]

13 years in from our '71-89' drought....so a title in 5 years? i'm not sure i'll ever see Arsenal ever win a title with Wiggy Kroenke in charge. People say it's Wenger to blame etc, why would Wenger sack himself? Kroenke has to be sacking Wenger...keeping him on is far worse than any shit Wenger tactics/buys .

Exactly, people are missing the point in all this Wenger out stuff, Wenger out should be a given and sometime ago, the fact we have a 'owner' who has backed him and seemingly continues to do so shows the level we can expect under this utter sh*tbag cowboy profiteer. I hope there are riots at the Emirates when we are struggling along over the next few years, I doubt it though, Arsenal fans are too f**king soft, more likely the stadium will just slowly get more and more empty.

We are heading for the dreaded "sleeping giant" status, in fact you could argue we are already there, thank you Enos Stanley Kroenke you absolute c**t and thank you all you c**ts who sold their shares to this parasite. I hope those pr*cks who held the hate Usmanov banners back in 2007 are proud of themselves, brainless morons.

You realise that Usmanov is very pro-Wenger and even suggested last week he should be able to pick his own successor?

No USMANOV wants success we all fucked up when we supported Kroenke back in 2007 that is crystal clear

Usmanov may want success but he has publicly backed Wenger on many occassions even though everyone knows that giving Wenger a big pile of cash is a complete waste.

Surely nick you are wise enough to acknowledge that on occasions people say things to not rock the boat/gain favour with other people, but the reality is completely different ? Let me tell you now, that there is no way on gods green earth that usmanov would stand idly by and allow wenker or any other manager, to preside over a decade of decay - a lot of the modern "investor owners" buy clubs to add a string to their portfolio, but the Russian guys are in it to win trophies which allows them to look down on the other ogliarchs. I would take usmanov as our owner in a heartbeat, but then again I said the same when there was a band of absolute fcuking w**kers marching against the guy

[NickF]

Exactly, people are missing the point in all this Wenger out stuff, Wenger out should be a given and sometime ago, the fact we have a 'owner' who has backed him and seemingly continues to do so shows the level we can expect under this utter sh*tbag cowboy profiteer. I hope there are riots at the Emirates when we are struggling along over the next few years, I doubt it though, Arsenal fans are too f**king soft, more likely the stadium will just slowly get more and more empty.

We are heading for the dreaded "sleeping giant" status, in fact you could argue we are already there, thank you Enos Stanley Kroenke you absolute c**t and thank you all you c**ts who sold their shares to this parasite. I hope those pr*cks who held the hate Usmanov banners back in 2007 are proud of themselves, brainless morons.

You realise that Usmanov is very pro-Wenger and even suggested last week he should be able to pick his own successor?

No USMANOV wants success we all fucked up when we supported Kroenke back in 2007 that is crystal clear

Usmanov may want success but he has publicly backed Wenger on many occassions even though everyone knows that giving Wenger a big pile of cash is a complete waste.

Surely nick you are wise enough to acknowledge that on occasions people say things to not rock the boat/gain favour with other people, but the reality is completely different ? Let me tell you now, that there is no way on gods green earth that usmanov would stand idly by and allow wenker or any other manager, to preside over a decade of decay - a lot of the modern "investor owners" buy clubs to add a string to their portfolio, but the Russian guys are in it to win trophies which allows them to look down on the other ogliarchs. I would take usmanov as our owner in a heartbeat, but then again I said the same when there was a band of absolute fcuking w**kers marching against the guy

That is exactly what he has done, stood idly by, apart from every now and then coming out with the odd crowd pleasing line know full well he doesn't have to do anything. Him and Kroenke are as bad as each other IMO.

[armchair]

So whatever Usmanov actually says is lies and people can tell what he really would or wouldnt do?

Fuck me theres some crazy ass gooners out there who can read minds from thousands of miles away despite what people actually say.

Bottom line is it wont matter a fuck who is majority shareholder. If Wengers the manager we're goin nowhere.
I want my club to enable the manager to do his job with cash money and state of the art facilities and keep his nose out letting the manager manage. Wenger has had all that in spades for years and still failed.

[armchair]

Kroenke/Usmanov

Really. Who cares when Wengers managing the football side?

[GoonerMuzz]

Some of you have such blind hatred for Wenger you are getting as bad as those who diefy him

Wenger is just another symptom of the malaise in the club, not the single major cause of it. He might be responsible for the on field stagnation but he is not the only reason the club is where it is. You cannot believe for one instant that another owner facing the backlash from groups of the fans, the bad publicity the club is currently receiving, the constant slating in the media we are currently under going would allow Wenger to stay, the man is costing the club money and most owners would recognise that and move to staunch the flow.

Unfortunately as any of our American posters will tell you Stan is responsible for stagnation at all his sports franchises and therefore has previous.

Wengers continuing Management of the club is a joke but things will not improve significantly when he has gone because Stan will look to replace him with like for like, someone who maintains the status quo without spending significant amounts of money, and whether we like it or not a lot of money will have to be spent to turn this club around and to be able to compete with the clubs who are willing to spend, not just in the playing staff but throughout the club.

If for example we look to employ a Sporting director or Director of Football and Technical director that will cost significant amounts of money, the money for that will have to come from somewhere, reducing budgets elsewhere.

Can anyone honestly see Wiggy coughing up to put the club in a position to seriously challenge when he has never done it with any of his franchises in the past

As for Usmanov we'll probably never know as i have a feeling he may move on elsewhere eventually.

[armchair]

Some of you have such blind hatred for Wenger you are getting as bad as those who diefy him

And some of you apologists and flipfloppers are so blinded by Wengers lies and deceipt you cant see the wood for the trees.

I can see Wenger for what he is perfectly clearly. In fact a blind man on a galloping horse can see that its Wenger who has taken advantage of the club and fans and its Wenger thats is holding everone to ransom right now And that includes board members. No-one else.
Wenger and Wenger alone.

[Wilson]

Wenger on the upcoming game. 'We want to put things right' - spoken with a massive grin fill of confidence.

The thing is, he said the same thing last week. How many mulligans does Wenger need?

[Bradywasking]

Conte- "They showed more desire, more ambition, more motivation. In this case the fault is of the coach.

He added: "It means the coach was not able to transfer the right concentration, desire, ambition to win this game."

Who'd have thought it? A manager taking the blame for a defeat.

Whaaaaat??, Didn't blame the ref for missing the handball in the bulid up to first goal, didn't blame luck for deflection on second goal.. Didn't blame weather, pitch, special circumstances??? Conte needs to learn this management game fast or he will be left behind..

[augie]

So whatever Usmanov actually says is lies and people can tell what he really would or wouldnt do?

Fuck me theres some crazy ass gooners out there who can read minds from thousands of miles away despite what people actually say.

Bottom line is it wont matter a fuck who is majority shareholder. If Wengers the manager we're goin nowhere.
I want my club to enable the manager to do his job with cash money and state of the art facilities and keep his nose out letting the manager manage. Wenger has had all that in spades for years and still failed.

I know who is fcuking our club over the most, and I have known it a lot longer than most people on here have, so don't go tarring me as someone who is trying to deflect blame away from wenker

I'm not a mind reader so I cant say for certain what usmanov's intentions would be, but it's funny that you can criticize me for believing that he would be driven by success but feel entitled to attach some blame to him for this malaise - the reality is that neither of us can know for certain what kind of owner he would be, cos at present he has absolutely NO SAY in the running of the club It really is shocking that a guy holding that many shares, hasn't even the authority to change the price of a match programme much less decide who is manager Usmanov is NOT part of the problem as things currently stand - there is zero respect between kroenke and usmanov (a widely accepted belief) and any criticism from usmanov would be more likely to entrench kroenke's stanch, than to change it, so why would he come out and make public demands for changes when it MIGHT be counter productive ? You also gotta remember that this is a guy that a few years had a group of di*kheads march against him without any cause whatsoever, so he really needs to be ultra vanilla until the day when he actually has some power to implement change, and then we will see what his intentions would be - as things stand he is the ONLY reason why kroenke isn't taking millions out of our club every season in dividends

If I have a criticism of usmanov, it is that he seems to be playing the long game and doesn't seem to be pushing enough for power - there was a guy on here a couple of years ago who was absolutely adamant that he was going to be aggressive and try to buy kroenke out, but sadly that has never happened On this occasion I am guilty for believing what I wanted to believe

[Wilson]

Even with standing all this talk of Kroenke. Wenger gets more financial support than Pochettino, Klopp, Simeone, Tuchel, and Allegri. Yet we are behind Liverpool and Spurs in the league, and our performance in Europe dont even compare to the level of Juventus, Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid. Morever, Wenger cannot cite the 'resources' card ever again, when Ranieri pipped him to the league title with a team that cost less than Mesut Ozil.

I sometimes feel when we blame Kroenke, that it creates a window for Wenger lovers to shift the blame and excuse Wenger. I think Kroenke is an MBA type owner, and looks at the balance statement with more interes than the league table. But all the same time, its not like he is robbing the club, or tightening the purse strings. Wenger has spent 35m+ on 4 different players over the past years. Throw in your Welbeck's Chambers, Perez, Gabriel and its literally over 200m pounds in expenditure. Yet, here we are with a team that 'needs rebuilding'.

'Bully' from AFTV is always talking about Kroenke being the problem, and not so much Wenger. However that is pure dog shit. We could still be a winning club with Kroenke as owner. Is Usmanov came in, Wenger wouldnt all of a sudden develop tactical acumen. I would like Usmanov to come in, as he would demand higher standards, of which Wenger could be a casualty of when he cant perform. However, there is no reason why we cant be a top team with Kroenke as owner, and by blaming him for all our problems, it turns the attention away from Wenger, who is guilty of managerial malpractice and negligence.

Wenger is the biggest problem, not Kroenke.

[supergeorgegraham]

Some of you have such blind hatred for Wenger you are getting as bad as those who diefy him

And some of you apologists and flipfloppers are so blinded by Wengers lies and deceipt you cant see the wood for the trees.

I can see Wenger for what he is perfectly clearly. In fact a blind man on a galloping horse can see that its Wenger who has taken advantage of the club and fans and its Wenger thats is holding everone to ransom right now And that includes board members. No-one else.
Wenger and Wenger alone.

If our mess is only due to Wenger then why did the club go on a massive upward motion from the David Dein years. 1983 to 2007. Since 2007 we have gone downhill on as a football team but our financial turnover has been very impressive.
I can't see that it's just a fluke that once the football man Dein was removed our results became less important to the board. At the time all the fans were happy to accept some bad seasons because of the new stadium but expected the team to compete again for the title that never happened. If our board cared then Wenger would be sacked and results would mean everything

[Gunner Rob]

I think Gunner Muzz is coming in for some unfair crtitcism here.
Yes of course Wenger is the biggest problem and has been stinking the place out for years. However as Gunner Muzz points out this would simply not be tolerated at any other "big" club!

The longer Wenger is tolerated, yes the bigger problems he creates at Arsenal BUT at the same time the more the owner and his bunch of cronies are exposed as the clueless individuals that they are. This does suggest at further problems further down the line...

For Arsenal to achieve success again in the future it will take a bit more than the appointment of a competent manager - everyone at the club will have to pull in the same direction to achieve that.

Kroenke is no Abramhovic, he is a leech sucking Arsenal dry. Yes get rid of Wenger but that will not solve all problems, and that is becoming increasingly obvious.