THE WENGER THREAD

[blair207]

Maybe Im the problem but I was depressed all yesterday evening and have been all day today. Wenger has stolen the joy from me so much that I cannot even enjoy an FA Cup semi final victory anymore if he is involved.

I dont begrudge others who enjoyed the win ... I am envious of them in many ways ... but I just feel the progress (or what felt like progress) that was being made has been severely damaged, if not destroyed.

I had very mixed feelings when Sanchez scored. So much so that my wife came through to see why my son and I weren't cheering the goal.
In my the best outcome now is a disastrous run in the league followed by a miraculous win in the final letting Wenger leave on a high and Terry leave on a low. That would be a dream come true now..

[sk-gtfo]

If dumbing is down to his level mean having the third highest net spend after City and United since 13/14 season with a wage bill to match then I'd take it. Apples and oranges it is when comparing football clubs especially one of the biggest England with American sports franchises.

Why since 13/14?, we spent f**k all before that when he was around, come back with our net spend AK (after Kroenke) for a meaningful figure, our wage bill has apparently been overtaken now by Liverpool so that would make it 5th highest, though it is difficult to be conclusive here because of the timing of when clubs release their financial reports differing.

His level is clearly mediocre at best displayed by the poor performance of his US sports investments, why would he have more ambition/input with an overseas 'company' than domestic one's?.

Why do people feel the need to defend SK?, just because it takes a bit of the blame away from AW?, who of course should have been sacked by now anyway (or at least moved on), all the evidence points towards a sh*te owner and honestly if people think just removing AW is going to fix this FUBAR club then they are in for a rude awakening.

[Herd]

I Hear all of you when you say the enjoyments been choked out of your football enjoyment ,it has me to a large extent too. but every time I think I can walk away I end up on the hook again !
I also feel for the protest mob ,because they have worked hard ,but I don't think their efforts have been in vain ,nor do I think it's over.
Even if they don't succeed this season to rid themselves of TOF they might well have made him a catalyst for change as Gazidis would have it although I'm not going to raise my hopes and their time will come again,maybe last game of the season ??
Now to see if i can get a final ticket !

[Bob Bayliss]

Maybe Im the problem but I was depressed all yesterday evening and have been all day today. Wenger has stolen the joy from me so much that I cannot even enjoy an FA Cup semi final victory anymore if he is involved.

I dont begrudge others who enjoyed the win ... I am envious of them in many ways ... but I just feel the progress (or what felt like progress) that was being made has been severely damaged, if not destroyed.

Clash, you are not alone. If many more of our fans were able to think "Great, we have a cup final to look forward to, but despite this we must renew our efforts to get rid of this dreadful manager" I would be able to derive some satisfaction from yesterday. But sadly they aren't. My fear is that the only focus between now and the end of May (why is it so bloody late, just prolongs the illusion of achievement) will be Wember-ley. People are so short sighted that is all they will care about.

Come next November when we are back to same old same old under The Old Fraud, we might be back in business in getting a groundswell of opposition to him. But right now, all that yesterday has done is given him breathing space with the fans he just does not deserve.

So no, I don't see the upside from yesterday, and I certainly won't be after a final ticket.

[Retro Gunner]

Maybe Im the problem but I was depressed all yesterday evening and have been all day today. Wenger has stolen the joy from me so much that I cannot even enjoy an FA Cup semi final victory anymore if he is involved.

I dont begrudge others who enjoyed the win ... I am envious of them in many ways ... but I just feel the progress (or what felt like progress) that was being made has been severely damaged, if not destroyed.

Clash, you are not alone. If many more of our fans were able to think "Great, we have a cup final to look forward to, but despite this we must renew our efforts to get rid of this dreadful manager" I would be able to derive some satisfaction from yesterday. But sadly they aren't. My fear is that the only focus between now and the end of May (why is it so bloody late, just prolongs the illusion of achievement) will be Wember-ley. People are so short sighted that is all they will care about.

Come next November when we are back to same old same old under The Old Fraud, we might be back in business in getting a groundswell of opposition to him. But right now, all that yesterday has done is given him breathing space with the fans he just does not deserve.

So no, I don't see the upside from yesterday, and I certainly won't be after a final ticket.

As you said yesterday Bob, it's 2014 all over again. Unfortunately, where a loss to Hull in the final might have scuppered him (repeat, "might" ), a loss to Chelsea won't. The brainwashed cultists will be telling us that he worked wonders in getting past City (they'll forget the luck in getting drawn against Sutton and Lincoln of course) and that he can't possibly compete with Chelsea's financial doping etc etc (yawn). This season, the semi-final win is a virtual trophy and buys him more time and patience. We must have the most supine, brain dead supporters in World football.

[General]

If dumbing is down to his level mean having the third highest net spend after City and United since 13/14 season with a wage bill to match then I'd take it. Apples and oranges it is when comparing football clubs especially one of the biggest England with American sports franchises.

Why since 13/14?, we spent f**k all before that when he was around, come back with our net spend AK (after Kroenke) for a meaningful figure, our wage bill has apparently been overtaken now by Liverpool so that would make it 5th highest, though it is difficult to be conclusive here because of the timing of when clubs release their financial reports differing.

His level is clearly mediocre at best displayed by the poor performance of his US sports investments, why would he have more ambition/input with an overseas 'company' than domestic one's?.

Why do people feel the need to defend SK?, just because it takes a bit of the blame away from AW?, who of course should have been sacked by now anyway (or at least moved on), all the evidence points towards a sh*te owner and honestly if people think just removing AW is going to fix this FUBAR club then they are in for a rude awakening.

Challenging SK’s alleged contribution to our current malaise does not automatically mean that people are defending him. It’s the never ending merry go round debate. I just want people to offer some factual evidence to back up their claims rather than this easy guilty by association perspective because of his actions across the pond.

Ideally we’d be shot of him and Wenger pronto but SK’s only crime is for not firing Wenger’s arse. It is possible to succeed with our current ownership structure, you couldn’t say the same about the manager.

SK has been a majority shareholder since 2011 and whiles he hasn’t exactly pumped in cash, he hasn’t taken any out either bar the contentious £3m fee which has now ceased. Funds have been made available to the dinosaur and he’s chosen to spend it on above average players whiles giving underserved pay rises to the deadweight in the squad. We have Jenkinson doing a Winston Bogarde and turning down a move to Palace because they wouldn’t give him a rise on his already relatively high wage of £40k a week.

People use SK’s association with struggling American sports franchises to project the future at this club yet we’ve seen very little evidence of this happening. He’s no Abramovich but he’s no Hicks and Gillette either. There is no relegation or top 4 incentives in the NFL and operating a football club in a top European league is a different challenge all together. Chances are he will never put his money in, not many owners do these days with the cash injection from TV rights. Spending sprees funded by sugar daddies and oil money are fast becoming a thing of the past. SK will probably cash out when profits take a hit over an extended period rather than see the value of his shares plummet.

Here’s a link to current PL wage bill and net spend levels for the last 5years. He’s hardly bleeding us dry here is he?

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/engli ... b-by-club/


http://www.totalsportek.com/money/premi ... t-5-years/

[Allgunsblazin]

Will the real 3-5-2 tactician please stand up!....
Why did we make our first substitution in the 83rd minute?
Holding, where the fuck did he come from?
Gabriel another mystery...
Love child no2 newly adapted wingback!

Need to know what's going on guys!
This ain't Wenger....

[robbo10]

Will the real 3-5-2 tactician please stand up!....
Why did we make our first substitution in the 83rd minute?
Holding, where the fuck did he come from?
Gabriel another mystery...
Love child no2 newly adapted wingback!

Need to know what's going on guys!
This ain't Wenger....

I'm really happy Rob Holding is getting a fair crack of the whip,look's like one for the future to me,he seems to have more about him than Chambers did/has,
I think this is Wenger but by default though,you know how he's got lucky in the past by drastically changing the side,Schnezney to name but one benefited from Wenger having to change drastically,maybe Gabriel was always a Centre Back in the making,I'm still not sure we look solid but maybe Arsene's blagged it yet again,only time will tell.....

[blackotelli9]

I think Wenger has changed for now to 3 at the back until it goes wrong. But I also feel it's a way to hush the fans for a bit...yiu know asking for change; I like 3 at the back but do not want xhaka and ramsey in the middle of rather xhaka and elneny or coq/elneny coq/xhaka with Paul having a free role with 2 up top maybe

[Retro Gunner]

Well chaps, I deliberately avoided picking up an Evening Standard tonight, because I couldn't face the bullshit and propaganda that I knew it would contain. Most of all, I didn't want to read how Arsene had proved us all wrong and that we should, you know, be careful what we wish for.

Anyway, seeing somebody reading the sports pages, curiosity got the better of me and I couldn't prevent my eyes wandering to the inside back page that the bloke was reading. And there it was, in all its glory, a headline quote from Aaron Ramsey :

"Arsenal have answered critics who questioned our spirit".

Yes folks, the Son of God has spoken !!! I guess we were a week late in rising from the dead, but what the hell, we're back, because Aaron says so.

Fuck me, it's generally , but coming from Ramsey, it's .

Today on various threads on this forum, the argument had raged about wanting to win or lose games and whether it will have an impact on Wenger's position at the Club. Well, for me, idiotic statements like that from Ramsey (God knows what else was in there !) make it absolutely clear how that semi final win will be spun and used to ease the contract renewal through. I've never doubted that he'll sign, but they were struggling like mad to find a time and an atmosphere in which to announce and this will help them no end. We needed to get to the end of the season without a single positive to be spun, so that the pot of discontent would simmer over the Summer, ready for a piss poor start next season.

However you look at it, winning games, especially semi finals and finals, can only shore him up.

[NickF]

make it absolutely clear how that semi final win will be spun and used to ease the contract renewal through. I've never doubted that he'll sign, but they were struggling like mad to find a time and an atmosphere in which to announce and this will help them no end.

In which case why haven't they announced it yet?
Surely waiting until after the final is way too risky given our record against Chelsea.

[Retro Gunner]

make it absolutely clear how that semi final win will be spun and used to ease the contract renewal through. I've never doubted that he'll sign, but they were struggling like mad to find a time and an atmosphere in which to announce and this will help them no end.

In which case why haven't they announced it yet?
Surely waiting until after the final is way too risky given our record against Chelsea.

Blimey Nick the game was only yesterday !! I'm not sure they're brazen enough to make it that obvious !

Seriously, you don't think these results help him ? I don't think for one minute that they'll necessarily rush it out (although they might) and I have no doubt that we might get done by the scum next week, Chelsea in the final and generally have a disastrous end to the season, but they'll be hoping that won't happen of course. Regardless of that, yesterday's win will be paraded as another virtual trophy and we'll be reminded that we got to another FA Cup final (I think that's a record number now isn't it....so another virtual trophy ) and that we beat financially doped City, managed by the mystical Guardiola.

Don't worry Nick, in the minds of the akb cretins, yesterday's win will have cancelled out the league losses to Watford, WBA and Palace, as well as the 10-2 against Bayern. Those losses will be so thoroughly erased from their minds, that they'll be doubt that they ever happened. You just wait and see, irrespective of how we perform from now on in, if you are arguing with an akb after the announcement, they'll tell you that we beat City and got to the Cup Final and for that alone, he deserves another chance. They cling to any irrational, nonsensical clap-trap that they can find and the Club trade on it gratefully. I can picture Wenger sitting alone at home, reading the moronic, supportive postings on social media, with that evil, twisted, wolfish grin on his face.

Actually .

[Bob Bayliss]

Insightful conclusion from Sunday's events in The Standard. It should be waved in the face of every smug AKB or naive flip-fllopper between now and the first day of next season.

"Arsenal are likely to bet the next two years on a hunch that paid off at Wembley but may not come up trumps again. For more than a decade Wenger’s teams have repeatedly made the same mistakes and fallen short of their potential. They always do just enough to save their manager, though. Do not wager on that changing any time soon."

[xisstential]

make it absolutely clear how that semi final win will be spun and used to ease the contract renewal through. I've never doubted that he'll sign, but they were struggling like mad to find a time and an atmosphere in which to announce and this will help them no end.

In which case why haven't they announced it yet?
Surely waiting until after the final is way too risky given our record against Chelsea.

Blimey Nick the game was only yesterday !! I'm not sure they're brazen enough to make it that obvious !

Seriously, you don't think these results help him ? I don't think for one minute that they'll necessarily rush it out (although they might) and I have no doubt that we might get done by the scum next week, Chelsea in the final and generally have a disastrous end to the season, but they'll be hoping that won't happen of course. Regardless of that, yesterday's win will be paraded as another virtual trophy and we'll be reminded that we got to another FA Cup final (I think that's a record number now isn't it....so another virtual trophy ) and that we beat financially doped City, managed by the mystical Guardiola.

Don't worry Nick, in the minds of the akb cretins, yesterday's win will have cancelled out the league losses to Watford, WBA and Palace, as well as the 10-2 against Bayern. Those losses will be so thoroughly erased from their minds, that they'll be doubt that they ever happened. You just wait and see, irrespective of how we perform from now on in, if you are arguing with an akb after the announcement, they'll tell you that we beat City and got to the Cup Final and for that alone, he deserves another chance. They cling to any irrational, nonsensical clap-trap that they can find and the Club trade on it gratefully. I can picture Wenger sitting alone at home, reading the moronic, supportive postings on social media, with that evil, twisted, wolfish grin on his face.

Actually .

His reaction after the win, is for me what was so telling....the absolute self absorbed delight..it was like he could finally see the contract being signed. Anybody who thinks this man loves Arsenal really needs to think again. True love is wanting the best for somebody or something. The best thing for AFC is NOT Arsene Wenger and if he wasn't so self absorbed and could cast a critical eye over his last decade he would see that. But he can't and he won't, because it's ALL about him, it always has been!!

[Allgunsblazin]

Will the real 3-5-2 tactician please stand up!....
Why did we make our first substitution in the 83rd minute?
Holding, where the fuck did he come from?
Gabriel another mystery...
Love child no2 newly adapted wingback!

Need to know what's going on guys!
This ain't Wenger....

I'm really happy Rob Holding is getting a fair crack of the whip,look's like one for the future to me,he seems to have more about him than Chambers did/has,
I think this is Wenger but by default though,you know how he's got lucky in the past by drastically changing the side,Schnezney to name but one benefited from Wenger having to change drastically,maybe Gabriel was always a Centre Back in the making,I'm still not sure we look solid but maybe Arsene's blagged it yet again,only time will tell.....

Anyway I think he has stumbled upon it quite frankly with his hot and cold treatment of Walcott and Bellerin of which we know the "Femme Fatal" of Mr Wengers deranged mentality put him in a leetle corner...
Think we were a leetle lucky with Chamberpots 1st half performance, and their goal was down to that fucking Lovechild No 1 Ramesis who acts like a Mummy when he loses the ball! Cannot blame the defender but Wenger allowed a one on one at the back which in anyone's book is a no no, why Cech made himself as small as the Argie Aguerro is a mystery....
Holding was a surprise, but I do feel there has been a leetle resentment which has forced his hand....