THE WENGER THREAD

[CloakedGooner]

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[General]

but I am wondering if the board are gone past offering him a new deal and are now begging him to stay when he might not want to

That's a theory that can't be ignored but then again Gazidis was in a fairly bullish mood when he met the fans a few weeks ago. The fact that there ever was a 2year contract on the table clearly confirms the original intention was always to retain Wenger regardless of the outcome of the season and they hadn't instigated any plans to find a successor. Our collapse this season has probably taken all of them by surprise because they haven't been paying attention to the warning signs. We also spent a lot of money last summer and this would've made them more confident in improving on last season's results. They've been caught napping and are still trying to figure out what to do. It's going to be carnage.

[Topside Northbank]

That we should have to answer that is just sad but actually a good question as it could well turn out to be a realistic scenario.Losing a final against a local rival we have no love for,madness.But I am looking at the bigger picture.

He has to go for me and should of gone many,many years ago 2011 after the mauling at OT should of been it,he should of resigned let alone sacked .The longer he stays the rebuilding job becomes harder for who comes in.IF we were to somehow ride our luck and win the final he will stay.

He had a chance to bow out with a bit of dignity 2014 Hull which we almost blew.If Gibbs doesn't head that off the line we are 3 down and it would of been all over.Not for the first time Wenger got out of jail.

I would say as well for all the obvious flaws he has as a manager the thought of him spending money in the next window just adds even more reason to part ways.Say there is another 90m to spend before we lose Sanchez for example,who trusts him to spot a player anymore..I don't.

He spent 90m last summer and wasted it badly.Holding we were quibbling over the 2-3m fee all summer.The Mustafi and Xhaxa deals and the wages they are on mean we have done our dough big time there.New deals for Mertersacker,Coquelin and Giroud bad,bad calls.Let alone the tactical flaws and lack of coaching obvious.The players are not improving under him,that is obvious.The 'good football' argument can be put well and truly to bed as well we play side to side,slow tepid football.A team is a reflection of the manager.Lacks leadership let alone quality.

The manager doesn't even know what sort of player he is buying in a 30m central midfielder Xhaka in Wenger's own words 'a box to box' midfielder.The manager obviously must of been scouting and watching a different player,because that is one thing he certainly isn't.

That a player like Holding has been deemed one of if not the only bright light on the playing side this season says it all.He has played 11 times and 1 sub app.

We have one of the biggest turnovers in world football and a massive wage bill to work with.He has had years and chance after chance to create a championship challenging side,no one has a divine right to win anything.With the resources we now operate with how anyone can see this season as anything but failure is beyond me.

[mcdowell42]

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Of course it will,how many Wenger threads do we need.

[OneBardGooner]

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nuff sed.

[Henry Norris 1913]

wenger lecturing people who have outperformed him is what he does. remember last season him patronising leicester on the challenge of champions league football, then lecturing the **** manager on the balance of power "20 years against 1" etc. childish, ego driven and deluded bullshit. honestly he is the most embarassing manager in the world when it comes to chatting shit.

nothing would give me greater satisfaction right now than watching his face while being sacked. he deserves all the humiliation he gets, he's gotten a very easy ride so far, i hope it's absolute hell for him when he signs on this summer. he should be absolutely shameful that he's going to drag this sorry tenure of his on any longer in the sole pursuit of money and personal vilification. all this shit about him loving us because he celebrated at full time at wembley is fucking hilarious quite frankly. fuck him

[Topside Northbank]

wenger lecturing people who have outperformed him is what he does. remember last season him patronising leicester on the challenge of champions league football, then lecturing the **** manager on the balance of power "20 years against 1" etc. childish, ego driven and deluded bullshit. honestly he is the most embarassing manager in the world when it comes to chatting shit.

nothing would give me greater satisfaction right now than watching his face while being sacked. he deserves all the humiliation he gets, he's gotten a very easy ride so far, i hope it's absolute hell for him when he signs on this summer. he should be absolutely shameful that he's going to drag this sorry tenure of his on any longer in the sole pursuit of money and personal vilification. all this shit about him loving us because he celebrated at full time at wembley is fucking hilarious quite frankly. fuck him

Yes has a view on everything and spins it all around to the agenda that suits him.

He has had a very easy ride and the longer he stays the harder the rebuild becomes for the next man.

[StuartL]

That we should have to answer that is just sad but actually a good question as it could well turn out to be a realistic scenario.Losing a final against a local rival we have no love for,madness.But I am looking at the bigger picture.

He has to go for me and should of gone many,many years ago 2011 after the mauling at OT should of been it,he should of resigned let alone sacked .The longer he stays the rebuilding job becomes harder for who comes in.IF we were to somehow ride our luck and win the final he will stay.

He had a chance to bow out with a bit of dignity 2014 Hull which we almost blew.If Gibbs doesn't head that off the line we are 3 down and it would of been all over.Not for the first time Wenger got out of jail.

I would say as well for all the obvious flaws he has as a manager the thought of him spending money in the next window just adds even more reason to part ways.Say there is another 90m to spend before we lose Sanchez for example,who trusts him to spot a player anymore..I don't.

He spent 90m last summer and wasted it badly.Holding we were quibbling over the 2-3m fee all summer.The Mustafi and Xhaxa deals and the wages they are on mean we have done our dough big time there.New deals for Mertersacker,Coquelin and Giroud bad,bad calls.Let alone the tactical flaws and lack of coaching obvious.The players are not improving under him,that is obvious.The 'good football' argument can be put well and truly to bed as well we play side to side,slow tepid football.A team is a reflection of the manager.Lacks leadership let alone quality.

The manager doesn't even know what sort of player he is buying in a 30m central midfielder Xhaka in Wenger's own words 'a box to box' midfielder.The manager obviously must of been scouting and watching a different player,because that is one thing he certainly isn't.

That a player like Holding has been deemed one of if not the only bright light on the playing side this season says it all.He has played 11 times and 1 sub app.

We have one of the biggest turnovers in world football and a massive wage bill to work with.He has had years and chance after chance to create a championship challenging side,no one has a divine right to win anything.With the resources we now operate with how anyone can see this season as anything but failure is beyond me.

Very well reasoned topside , to use a famous Arsenal quotation out of context... "that sums it all up"

[blair207]

Do you think Stan thinks the FA cup is the equivalent of the Super Bowl?
Who knows what goes through his head.
I have a feeling we will lift the cup with the amount of luck we have had so far in the competition. I really hope that doesn't get Wenger a new contract.

[Perryashburtongroves]

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Of course it will,how many Wenger threads do we need.

I know the answer to that but I won't tell you right now. I'll tell you when the time is right and that I'll do whatever I think is best for this forum.

[northbank123]

It wouldn't be "two more years" though because we'd be having this exact same discussion in 2019.

[Topside Northbank]

Do you think Stan thinks the FA cup is the equivalent of the Super Bowl?
Who knows what goes through his head.
I have a feeling we will lift the cup with the amount of luck we have had so far in the competition. I really hope that doesn't get Wenger a new contract.

He will be aware it's shown all over the world.To him it will be a decent achievement.

I know a bit about sport Stateside and to give you guys an example if an NFL side gets to the playoffs with say a 10-6 record it's viewed as a 'winning' season and to get to a conference final let alone the Superbowl is deemed a good achievement.

The Monday after the regular season ends is the day loads of head coaches get fired that don't make the play offs.

SK would imo prefer Wenger stayed on.He has increased the value of the club,something I can only guess the manager has mentioned to the owner more than once.The fact that regular CL football has been secured another.It's all about money first,second and third.Sporting achievements way down.

He is probably happy because the balance sheet is healthy.That the team sheet is the real value of a football club second only behind it's support he just wouldn't understand.

I honestly think he views us like someone who owns an overseas property and makes a nice financial return.

[Topside Northbank]

This thread is gonna get MERGED

Of course it will,how many Wenger threads do we need.

I know the answer to that but I won't tell you right now. I'll tell you when the time is right and that I'll do whatever I think is best for this forum.

You have been on this forum for 10 years and how would posters like myself understand what threads should be merged and what shouldn't

[REB]

i love the FACUP, grew up with it been the best day of the season, 1979 i cried when alan sunderland got the winner and i was lucky enough to be at the replay in 1993 when we got the winner with the last attack of the game, but we can not go on as a big club with an FACUP every few years , the club is going backwards and is going to be harder again next season to achieve any title challenge so imo wenger out is more important at this stage .

[blair207]

IMO there can be no way Stan or the board would be thinking that a new contract is the way to go. This is a different scenario than other seasons.
We have not had a good result in the league for MONTHS!
Spurs are now well and truly ahead of us in football terms and closing in financially.
The CL, the be all and end all is slipping away big style and the financial implications and effect that has on attracting players are huge.
Our two biggest playing assets Sanchez and Ozil are going to have to sold on the cheap or be allowed to run their contracts out with very little commitment from them next season.
There are no media pundits defending Wenger now, they are maybe not openly hostile but they are unanimous in saying it's time up now.
On Wednesday night, three days after beating moneybags Man City and football genius Pep the total anticlimax of a sparse attendance and a disinterest from those present shows there is no appetite for the current regime.

I have no idea if there is any sort of a plan. If there is I don't think Wenger knows about it and that's why he's so tetchy. Given the fixtures left and our form and the lack of commitment from the players i can see the remaining games being an absolute nightmare for Wenger, an excercise in damage limitation rather than any sort on challenge for the coveted 4th place VT.

I really think he is gone now. The board are not so stupid not to see these things but who knows what they have in place to sort it.