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DB10GOONER wrote:This thread goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
Can someone point to the actual quote from Gazidis where he says "we are appointing a Director of Football"? Not a fabricated "story" in a tabloid rag, read and believed by dullards, but the actual direct quote from Gazidis himself?
I can find lots of "articles" with comments like "Gazidis has said that the current disappointing season has to act as the 'catalyst for change'” and "Chief executive Ivan Gazidis is understood to be exploring the options" and "Arsenal are believed to be searching for a director of football" but no actual direct quote.
You are right, there are no direct quotes but the rumours are strong.
I might have missed something here, but the decision seems to lie with AW alone.
If the Board hasn't offered him a contract, then surely they are duty bound to say this. The only reason you wouldn't offer him a deal is if you don't want him to stay. A Board would be totally failing in its duties to leave it this late to ensure we have a manager in place when the transfer window opens.
For me, they must have offered him a contract (although allowing him to prevaricate this late in the season is still a dereliction of duty).
The fact the Board is so quiet and apparently content to let TOF take his time makes me conclude that there is an agreement in place between the two parties.
I hope it's for him to leave, but I suspect it's not.
DB10GOONER wrote:This thread goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
Can someone point to the actual quote from Gazidis where he says "we are appointing a Director of Football"? Not a fabricated "story" in a tabloid rag, read and believed by dullards, but the actual direct quote from Gazidis himself?
I can find lots of "articles" with comments like "Gazidis has said that the current disappointing season has to act as the 'catalyst for change'” and "Chief executive Ivan Gazidis is understood to be exploring the options" and "Arsenal are believed to be searching for a director of football" but no actual direct quote.
Isn't that what football is like though? No actual direct quotes but enough stories around to warrant asking AW about it.
During the summer you won't hear any direct quotes saying we are after a particular player but there will be enough rumours that it might be true.
DB10GOONER wrote:This thread goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
Can someone point to the actual quote from Gazidis where he says "we are appointing a Director of Football"? Not a fabricated "story" in a tabloid rag, read and believed by dullards, but the actual direct quote from Gazidis himself?
I can find lots of "articles" with comments like "Gazidis has said that the current disappointing season has to act as the 'catalyst for change'” and "Chief executive Ivan Gazidis is understood to be exploring the options" and "Arsenal are believed to be searching for a director of football" but no actual direct quote.
Isn't that what football is like though? No actual direct quotes but enough stories around to warrant asking AW about it.
During the summer you won't hear any direct quotes saying we are after a particular player but there will be enough rumours that it might be true.
Believe what you want to believe really.
Agreed, and in Wenger's case even when it is a direct quote it very often isnt true.
And while I am hoping Gazidis is trying to get Wenger out, lets not forget some of the bullshit spin and lies Gazidis himself has fobbed us off with in the past.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has dismissed the possibility of working under a director of football. The Gunners' hierarchy are keen to create the position. (London Evening Standard)
Wenger is on a collision course with Gunners chief executive Ivan Gazidis, who wants to make a number of sweeping changes at the club this summer. (Daily Star)
armchair wrote:Just watch how the AKBs, apologists, #flipfloppers and less enlightened start coming out with the "sympathy" crap and "dignity" and "servant" bullshit.
Oh yea, and "respect him for what he has done for the club"
Do piss off. He's digging his own grave. Fuck him he's been mugging everyone off for years fs.
There are supporters out there that feel some or all of that and that's their right to do so. Making the assumption that your opinion is the only one with any merit is an incredibly arrogant position to take. It is after all, only an opinion. Giving people labels like that doesn't do anyone any favours and suggesting that they're somehow less enlightened because they don't share the same view as you is a more negative reflection of you than them. After all, we are all Arsenal supporters and each in our own way want what we see as being best for the club in the longer term.
My position is that I think we need a change of manager now and have done for some time. I'll be glad to see him go at the end of the season if he does so. I do still think that he's already signed for another two years though. If he has then during that time I'll focus my energies elsewhere and will return to attending games when the new manager is appointed. I don't know how I'll fill that void. Probably by watching older DVDs of Arsenal and remembering the days when I felt some connection to the club.
One thing I'll never forget though, and will always look back on with fondness, is the squad we had under his management from 1998-2004. They were special times and I'll always be grateful that I got to watch that team.
Now, just let me say that I am aware that your response will be to call me an AKB and all the other nonsense. Let me say in advance that you have my permission to fill your boots.
I'm making the point that there is a distinct difference between "I have this view and I disagree with yours" and "I'm right, you're wrong and you're a dickhead for having that view". One's constructive and one's separatist. I don't feel the need or see the point in giving people labels (I'm sure I'll be given one as soon as Armchair reads this). At the end of the day we all want our club to do well and we all have our own views on what is the best way to go about it. There is no right or wrong, there's just opinion; calling somebody out, labelling them, ridiculing them and being abusive isn't necessary. Personally I think we need a new manager in order to move forward but I don't need to call this one a complete *word censored* in order to reinforce that view.
I do wonder if this is the real sticking point with regards to the new contract. Wonga must have believed it would be sorted back in April when the board would have backed down and said 'ok, no dilution of your powers if you sign' .........but maybe, just maybe, someone at the club with at least a little bit of power (Ivan, some of the board)? are insisting that a DOF would HELP Wonga work better and more efficiently/successfully but of course we all know that Wonga won't stand for any power being taken away! It's interesting that he is quoted this morning as saying 'Some managers just want to manage the team but that's not me'........his arrogance still astounds to this day! We can but hope that there is an insistence that a DOF comes in, and not just a puppet for Wonga. It may well be the only way we'll see the back of him in the next 4 or 5 years. Deep down though I still believe he has already agreed to continue for another 2 years minimum.
DB10GOONER wrote:This thread goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
Can someone point to the actual quote from Gazidis where he says "we are appointing a Director of Football"? Not a fabricated "story" in a tabloid rag, read and believed by dullards, but the actual direct quote from Gazidis himself?
I can find lots of "articles" with comments like "Gazidis has said that the current disappointing season has to act as the 'catalyst for change'” and "Chief executive Ivan Gazidis is understood to be exploring the options" and "Arsenal are believed to be searching for a director of football" but no actual direct quote.
So show us a direct quote that backs up the story that wenker has been offered a new two year deal
Fact is that ALL of us choose which stories to believe and which to dismiss - you and the rest of us believe the rumour that he has been offered a new two year deal, so imo you cannot knock others if they choose to believe the rumours about gazidas wanting to bring in a DOF. For what it's worth I believe the rumour, and if anything, wenker's reaction yesterday convinced me even more
armchair wrote:Just watch how the AKBs, apologists, #flipfloppers and less enlightened start coming out with the "sympathy" crap and "dignity" and "servant" bullshit.
Oh yea, and "respect him for what he has done for the club"
Do piss off. He's digging his own grave. Fuck him he's been mugging everyone off for years fs.
........"I have this view and I disagree with yours" and "I'm right, you're wrong and you're a dickhead for having that view". One's constructive and one's separatist. I don't feel the need or see the point in giving people labels .....
I see you've put quotation marks around the bit in red there spuddy. Like you are quoting.
Well on the contrary, I didn't say it. I didnt call anyone a dickhead. Although I've been called plenty of names on here for having strongly held views. Didn't see you piping up when I was being labelled?
You are just making up lies for reasons only you know.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that Wengers apologists, AKBs, #flipfloppers and those less enlightened have nothing left except sentiment.
I don't feel the need to show Wenger "respect" for what he's done. I'm more interested in the harm he's doing NOW. So fuck him. I hope it ends badly for him. But the important thing is that it ends.
I do remember getting shit from all on here when i told you that Wenger and Gazidis hated each other 5 years or more ago but i knew it as fact way back then . Alas my inside Office people are no longer there so Im guessing as much as anyone nowadays although I'm surprised the national media didn't pickup on the cold war until recently .
What I do know DB is that Wenger and Gazidis don't communicate any more than they absolutely need to so some press release
shadow boxing goes on.
We know the John cross and others wenger flunkies well the current rash of stories from the media are too specific not to be from Gazidis camp .
I knew Tom Fox is his prime target ,been saying that for years ,the others Im presuming are real but I dont know .
This ones got some twists left in it I reckon but if Wenger lands 4th or wins the Cup we are doomed !
DB10GOONER wrote:This thread goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
Can someone point to the actual quote from Gazidis where he says "we are appointing a Director of Football"? Not a fabricated "story" in a tabloid rag, read and believed by dullards, but the actual direct quote from Gazidis himself?
I can find lots of "articles" with comments like "Gazidis has said that the current disappointing season has to act as the 'catalyst for change'” and "Chief executive Ivan Gazidis is understood to be exploring the options" and "Arsenal are believed to be searching for a director of football" but no actual direct quote.
So show us a direct quote that backs up the story that wenker has been offered a new two year deal
Fact is that ALL of us choose which stories to believe and which to dismiss - you and the rest of us believe the rumour that he has been offered a new two year deal, so imo you cannot knock others if they choose to believe the rumours about gazidas wanting to bring in a DOF. For what it's worth I believe the rumour, and if anything, wenker's reaction yesterday convinced me even more
It's a fair point, but I would respond that if Modern Arsenal, Wenger himself, Kroenke, PHW, the repeated past experiences, unpunished failings and precedent over the last 10 years "suggest" any likely outcome then it would be that he has been offered a new contract of some sort (1 year or 2 year or more who knows). After all he has had arguably worse seasons (football wise) and been offered bumper new deals and pay rises, so obviously a bad or indifferent PL season isn't enough to get him sacked. Yeah some will say "but he hasn't missed out on the CL place before!" but tbh I reckon the CL money he might miss out on next year won't impact his tenure either. With the TV rights deals, match day revenue, and merchandising etc now bringing in so much filthy lucre the CL money is not as important as it was say 4 or 5 years ago, so missing out on the CL won't see him sacked either.
The whole Gazidis / Dick Law / DOF conspiracy is based upon nothing, no precedent, no quotes, nothing but hopeful speculation by (right to be) pissed off fans and scurrilous stories in the media.
Don't get me wrong I think it would be fucking great if Gazidid grew a pair of balls and forced Wenger's hand - he'd finally be earning that huge salary if he did.
armchair wrote:Just watch how the AKBs, apologists, #flipfloppers and less enlightened start coming out with the "sympathy" crap and "dignity" and "servant" bullshit.
Oh yea, and "respect him for what he has done for the club"
Do piss off. He's digging his own grave. Fuck him he's been mugging everyone off for years fs.
........"I have this view and I disagree with yours" and "I'm right, you're wrong and you're a dickhead for having that view". One's constructive and one's separatist. I don't feel the need or see the point in giving people labels .....
I see you've put quotation marks around the bit in red there spuddy. Like you are quoting.
Well on the contrary, I didn't say it. I didnt call anyone a dickhead. Although I've been called plenty of names on here for having strongly held views. Didn't see you piping up when I was being labelled?
You are just making up lies for reasons only you know.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that Wengers apologists, AKBs, #flipfloppers and those less enlightened have nothing left except sentiment.
I don't feel the need to show Wenger "respect" for what he's done. I'm more interested in the harm he's doing NOW. So fuck him. I hope it ends badly for him. But the important thing is that it ends.
I wish people who wish Wenger well & thinks he deserves respect, actually realised or grasped how much Wenger disrespects them. That sneering arrogance,that know it all attitude,the "I will not be told" stance... why on earth should we respect him?? If Wenger could, when questioned about the fans at his pressers, I could see him saying "Oh Fuck them, I'm tired of their whining" I could quite easily see him saying it because he sure as hell is thinking it.
He dislikes everybody who has the temerity to question him... I wouldn't worry about respecting him..I hope it ends in ignominy.
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It does appear that relationship between Wenger and a few individuals behind the scenes are not good. Largely caused by Wenger's control freak personality and out-staying his welcome of course.
Can working relationships survive this kind of strain? Not really.
So what do you do when one individual is such a hindrance to others and is causing so much tension?
Well the obvious conclusion in this case ... the others all fuck off and Wenger is allowed to continue
I heard on the car radio yesterday evening Wenger getting asked his opinion on why its been 25 years since an English manager won the title. I cant remember his brilliant insight ...probably because it was some half-baked drivel instead ... but the sycophantic interviewer then asked him / told him how he should take some credit for the success of foreign managers.
'DONT START SUCKING UP TO THAT FUCKING FRAUD, YOU PRICK!'
This is what I'm reduced to ... shouting at the fucking radio in the car
Never seen so much rumour and innuendo dressed up as fact.
