THE WENGER THREAD

[augie]

Again I will make the point that we are either believing stories in the media or we aren't, but dismissing the one's that say that he is leaving, and believing the one's that say that he is saying, when both are purely speculation makes little sense to me. I long for the one's that say that he is leaving, to be the stories that will turn out to be true - maybe I am believing what I want to believe too, but I still have a feeling that he is done in the summer. I am basing that on what I see more than what I read - I see a situation where a rumoured new contract signing has yet to be announced> I see a manager who looks more and more gaunt with every passing week. I see a manager that has actually bowed to the external pressure and changed the formation, and that is something that would never have happened in the past. I see a manager who clearly reacted badly to the suggestion of a DOF being appointed above him, and I feel that a manager comfortable with his position and future in the club would not react like that. I see a manager that has seen more defiance shown to him this season (from some players and fans) than ever before, and despite public utterances, he will have been very aware of this and will not be happy about it.

Again maybe I am being hypocritical here, but I do believe the stories suggesting that there is some conflict behind the scenes - there have been too many comments coming out from gazidas and chips not to have some merit to them. I hope that this will force wenker out, but even if it doesn't force him out, I do believe that he will have much less power within the club if he remains beyond this season

[NickF]

Looks like Arsenal have backed Wenger to keep control of all transfers. Looks like we have 2 more years of this shite. Once Sanchez leaves and all to good players go to United, City or Chelsea and maybe even Liverpool we are in for a very rough 2 years at least. Bet the first thing he does is give Wilshere a new deal and call it a big signing. That's the future folks. I thought he would leave but this news changes everything.

There is not a single direct quote in that Telegraph article, this makes it the opinion of the writer and nothing else.

True. Would it surprise you though if it does come to pass? Given everything that has gone on at the club?

Nothing surprises me about this club nowadays
Almost daily there is an article that contradicts another article. People are going to believe what suits them.

[DB10GOONER]

Again I will make the point that we are either believing stories in the media or we aren't, but dismissing the one's that say that he is leaving, and believing the one's that say that he is saying, when both are purely speculation makes little sense to me. I long for the one's that say that he is leaving, to be the stories that will turn out to be true - maybe I am believing what I want to believe too, but I still have a feeling that he is done in the summer. I am basing that on what I see more than what I read - I see a situation where a rumoured new contract signing has yet to be announced> I see a manager who looks more and more gaunt with every passing week. I see a manager that has actually bowed to the external pressure and changed the formation, and that is something that would never have happened in the past. I see a manager who clearly reacted badly to the suggestion of a DOF being appointed above him, and I feel that a manager comfortable with his position and future in the club would not react like that. I see a manager that has seen more defiance shown to him this season (from some players and fans) than ever before, and despite public utterances, he will have been very aware of this and will not be happy about it.

Again maybe I am being hypocritical here, but I do believe the stories suggesting that there is some conflict behind the scenes - there have been too many comments coming out from gazidas and chips not to have some merit to them. I hope that this will force wenker out, but even if it doesn't force him out, I do believe that he will have much less power within the club if he remains beyond this season

This is where I disagree with you. Precedents tells me he is staying. There's nothing that has happened this season that is bad enough (in his or the owner's eyes) to make him walk or make Kroenke sack him. No matter how we as fans feel, that for me is the truth. He'd delivered what he and the owner deem to be acceptable.

I do agree there is probably some bad blood behind the scenes, but the fact that Gazidis (if it is even him with the problem, who knows?) has not gone public and challenged him, when the protests and the media spotlight and the shit results were at a crescendo, makes me think he never will. At the end of the day I think all these cúnts that run our club look after themselves first and foremost and won't risk their huge salaries by putting their head above the parapet.

[SPUDMASHER]

I agree with jackeen pervert midget.

[DB10GOONER]

I agree with jackeen pervert midget.

Take your hand off yourself you tubby bitch.

[NickF]

This is where I disagree with you. Precedents tells me he is staying. There's nothing that has happened this season that is bad enough (in his or the owner's eyes) to make him walk or make Kroenke sack him. No matter how we as fans feel, that for me is the truth. He'd delivered what he and the owner deem to be acceptable.

I do agree there is probably some bad blood behind the scenes, but the fact that Gazidis (if it is even him with the problem, who knows?) has not gone public and challenged him, when the protests and the media spotlight and the shit results were at a crescendo, makes me think he never will. At the end of the day I think all these cúnts that run our club look after themselves first and foremost and won't risk their huge salaries by putting their head above the parapet.

He doesn't have to sack him as Wenger is out of contract at the end of the month. Gazidis HAS gone public with his "catalyst for change" quote. You have a situation where Gazidis has spoken about the need for change and Wenger very much saying there will be no change.

All we can do now is see who wins this power struggle.

[DB10GOONER]

This is where I disagree with you. Precedents tells me he is staying. There's nothing that has happened this season that is bad enough (in his or the owner's eyes) to make him walk or make Kroenke sack him. No matter how we as fans feel, that for me is the truth. He'd delivered what he and the owner deem to be acceptable.

I do agree there is probably some bad blood behind the scenes, but the fact that Gazidis (if it is even him with the problem, who knows?) has not gone public and challenged him, when the protests and the media spotlight and the shit results were at a crescendo, makes me think he never will. At the end of the day I think all these cúnts that run our club look after themselves first and foremost and won't risk their huge salaries by putting their head above the parapet.

He doesn't have to sack him as Wenger is out of contract at the end of the month. Gazidis HAS gone public with his "catalyst for change" quote. You have a situation where Gazidis has spoken about the need for change and Wenger very much saying there will be no change.

All we can do now is see who wins this power struggle.

But what a wishy washy watered down statement that was, Certainly not a public challenge or an ultimatum. You know IIRC the actual quote was something like "Arsene has to become the catalyst for change" which is basically saying "we accept that Wenger is still the man, and we hope things will improve under him on the pitch..."

The fact that no one from the Board has responded to his dismissive remarks ridiculing the DOF suggestion says (to me at least) he still controls the club in all but name.

[NickF]

This is where I disagree with you. Precedents tells me he is staying. There's nothing that has happened this season that is bad enough (in his or the owner's eyes) to make him walk or make Kroenke sack him. No matter how we as fans feel, that for me is the truth. He'd delivered what he and the owner deem to be acceptable.

I do agree there is probably some bad blood behind the scenes, but the fact that Gazidis (if it is even him with the problem, who knows?) has not gone public and challenged him, when the protests and the media spotlight and the shit results were at a crescendo, makes me think he never will. At the end of the day I think all these cúnts that run our club look after themselves first and foremost and won't risk their huge salaries by putting their head above the parapet.

He doesn't have to sack him as Wenger is out of contract at the end of the month. Gazidis HAS gone public with his "catalyst for change" quote. You have a situation where Gazidis has spoken about the need for change and Wenger very much saying there will be no change.

All we can do now is see who wins this power struggle.

But what a wishy washy watered down statement that was, Certainly not a public challenge or an ultimatum. You know IIRC the actual quote was something like "Arsene has to become the catalyst for change" which is basically saying "we accept that Wenger is still the man, and we hope things will improve under him on the pitch..."

The fact that no one from the Board has responded to his dismissive remarks ridiculing the DOF suggestion says (to me at least) he still controls the club in all but name.

He does, but he is also out of contract. Comes down to whether the board want to:

Accept 2 more years without question
Give him a new contract but with reliquished power
simply say enough is enough

None of us are party to this information so for anyone to say he has (or indeed hasn't) signed is just guesswork.

[xisstential]

This is where I disagree with you. Precedents tells me he is staying. There's nothing that has happened this season that is bad enough (in his or the owner's eyes) to make him walk or make Kroenke sack him. No matter how we as fans feel, that for me is the truth. He'd delivered what he and the owner deem to be acceptable.

I do agree there is probably some bad blood behind the scenes, but the fact that Gazidis (if it is even him with the problem, who knows?) has not gone public and challenged him, when the protests and the media spotlight and the shit results were at a crescendo, makes me think he never will. At the end of the day I think all these cúnts that run our club look after themselves first and foremost and won't risk their huge salaries by putting their head above the parapet.

He doesn't have to sack him as Wenger is out of contract at the end of the month. Gazidis HAS gone public with his "catalyst for change" quote. You have a situation where Gazidis has spoken about the need for change and Wenger very much saying there will be no change.

All we can do now is see who wins this power struggle.

But what a wishy washy watered down statement that was, Certainly not a public challenge or an ultimatum. You know IIRC the actual quote was something like "Arsene has to become the catalyst for change" which is basically saying "we accept that Wenger is still the man, and we hope things will improve under him on the pitch..."

The fact that no one from the Board has responded to his dismissive remarks ridiculing the DOF suggestion says (to me at least) he still controls the club in all but name.

He does, but he is also out of contract. Comes down to whether the board want to:

Accept 2 more years without question
Give him a new contract but with reliquished power
simply say enough is enough

None of us are party to this information so for anyone to say he has (or indeed hasn't) signed is just guesswork.

Wenger won't accept relinquished power...so then we think that might be a way of getting him to go. But on thinking about it that makes no sense either..as you say Nick, he is out of contract, if they want him gone, just don't renew it, they don't have to create ways to force him out as it's not like they have to fire him. If they choose not to renew his contract he cannot just carry on hanging around there.

Or can he...... .

[Herd]

Ultimately people believe what they want to believe ,in this instance we don't know but there are moves afoot if Wenger reaches 4th or wins the Cup he is golden !

[DB10GOONER]

Ultimately people believe what they want to believe

I don't buy that so much mate. I want to believe he will leave/get sacked/not have his contract renewed/just fucking be gone. But what I actually believe, as an educated guess, based on all the factors and our recent history, is that he will still be our manager next season.

[General]

I'm not sure why people are up in arms about the Telegraph article. There's nothing new in there and the headline about curtailing Wenger's power is misleading. From what I've read in previous articles the intention of the DOF appointment is to get whoever the manager might be to focus on coaching and leave the rest to the DOF. Before we signed Mustafi, Gazidis mentioned how he had to travel to America with Wenger to meet his agent and trash out a deal. In the future it would be the DOF who would deal with this with Gazidis. I don't believe there was ever any intention to interfere in coaching and I don't know of any PL club with a DOF in situ doing this. Wenger has been allowed to morph into a politician, an accountant, and a coont and I'm sure the board want to prevent this from happening again. Of course there's the possibility he might stay and accept the new setup. From what I've read of Kreonke's franchises he's always installed a general manager/DOF type appointment to act as an intermediary with the coach so this is no brainchild of Gazidis. Likely the instruction has come from above.

[NickF]

I'm not sure why people are up in arms about the Telegraph article. There's nothing new in there and the headline about curtailing Wenger's power is misleading. From what I've read in previous articles the intention of the DOF appointment is to get whoever the manager might be to focus on coaching and leave the rest to the DOF. Before we signed Mustafi, Gazidis mentioned how he had to travel to America with Wenger to meet his agent and trash out a deal. In the future it would be the DOF who would deal with this with Gazidis. I don't believe there was ever any intention to interfere in coaching and I don't know of any PL club with a DOF in situ doing this. Wenger has been allowed to morph into a politician, an accountant, and a coont and I'm sure the board want to prevent this from happening again. Of course there's the possibility he might stay and accept the new setup. From what I've read of Kreonke's franchises he's always installed a general manager/DOF type appointment to act as an intermediary with the coach so this is no brainchild of Gazidis. Likely the instruction has come from above.

This is how most American sports work, certainly nothing unique to Kroenke.

[sk-gtfo]

I don't know who's worse the AKB's or the obsessive WOB.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... ict-power/

I guess we'll only know for sure what the club will look like after Wenger once the c**t has gone assuming silent scum is still around, let me ask you this though, if Wenger is still here next season is Kroenke not to blame for that?, because if not I don't see at what point you would ever hold him even slightly responsible for the demise of Arsenal FC. I'm sure I asked this before but got no answer...

What exactly is an obssisve WOB?
Is someone who gets off their arse and does a protest march obssesive?
Should we all do nothing and just moan on forums and twitter?

Someone who constantly goes on and on about Wenger being the problem (which he is part of), in the end we don't make the decision for him to stay on and neither does he, Stan Kroenke does and he chooses to back a failing manager and stale structure, for some reason this is all Wenger's fault though?, people are missing the point totally, Wenger should not be deciding his own future, of course if silent scum allows him to he is going to back himself, because he's a stubborn, arrogant has been who thinks he can 'reinvent' himself but all it takes is either sacking him or not renewing his contract to get shot of him, other owners don't seem to have trouble here, it's not really that f**king hard but our bean counting yank will be just dandy with the new PL TV money meaning he can make a nice profit without having to care about the inconvenience of having to bother trying to win trophies.

I don't criticise anyone for protesting I just think it is absurd it has go to this stage, the fact that Arsenal fans are having to protest just shows me that we have a weak, incompetent board and even after Wenger goes, whenever that is, we will struggle to compete with the top clubs, their idea of competing with Bayern Munich after all, is losing 10-2 and probably selling them our best player this summer, if they had any balls they would have sacked him there and then or indeed last season when we lost 5-1, or 6-0 at Chelsea or... etc etc etc.

[DB10GOONER]

I don't know who's worse the AKB's or the obsessive WOB.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... ict-power/

I guess we'll only know for sure what the club will look like after Wenger once the c**t has gone assuming silent scum is still around, let me ask you this though, if Wenger is still here next season is Kroenke not to blame for that?, because if not I don't see at what point you would ever hold him even slightly responsible for the demise of Arsenal FC. I'm sure I asked this before but got no answer...

What exactly is an obssisve WOB?
Is someone who gets off their arse and does a protest march obssesive?
Should we all do nothing and just moan on forums and twitter?

Someone who constantly goes on and on about Wenger being the problem (which he is part of), in the end we don't make the decision for him to stay on and neither does he, Stan Kroenke does and he chooses to back a failing manager and stale structure, for some reason this is all Wenger's fault though?, people are missing the point totally, Wenger should not be deciding his own future, of course if silent scum allows him to he is going to back himself, because he's a stubborn, arrogant has been who thinks he can 'reinvent' himself but all it takes is either sacking him or not renewing his contract to get shot of him, other owners don't seem to have trouble here, it's not really that f**king hard but our bean counting yank will be just dandy with the new PL TV money meaning he can make a nice profit without having to care about the inconvenience of having to bother trying to win trophies.

I don't criticise anyone for protesting I just think it is absurd it has go to this stage, the fact that Arsenal fans are having to protest just shows me that we have a weak, incompetent board and even after Wenger goes, whenever that is, we will struggle to compete with the top clubs, their idea of competing with Bayern Munich after all, is losing 10-2 and probably selling them our best player this summer, if they had any balls they would have sacked him there and then or indeed last season when we lost 5-1, or 6-0 at Chelsea or... etc etc etc.

Your post has been on here 7 minutes or so and no one has called you an AKB! Must be a new record for the forum!