THE WENGER THREAD

[Bob Bayliss]

If there were a reduction in ST sales maybe that would help....?
Then there is the ST waiting list....

We have seen that an increasing number of those inside the stadium (using tickets not used by season ticket holders) are 'day-trippers' with no particular club allegiance. From next season many of these day-trippers will be able to access seats for Tottenham, initially at Wembley and then at their new 61,000 capacity ground. Yes, I know we play on a different day, but most people just want one 'fix' of football when they are in town and Spurs will be providing genuine competition for these punters' custom and will have plenty of room for them.

Our ticket will no longer be the hottest in town, so long as TOF is at the helm. The 'waiting list' may evaporate as season ticket holders realise they can no longer hedge their bets and rely on renting them out whenever they feel like it, and at the same time realise that they can probably get tickets for most matches they want to go to by paying red or silver membership and giving up their season tickets.

This is a house of cards which - fingers crossed - may just make Kronke take notice.

[Sean]

I've posted the cretin's presser in the match thread. Staggering bullshit from the man. Still refuses to confirm he's staying, despite only having 16 days left on his contract and is obviously planning for the future and also claiming that dropping into the Europa League means very little in the grand scheme of things, despite his obvious love for the VT

GO NOW YOU FRAUD!

[Retro Gunner]

Can you believe the absolutely stupidity of the senile old c.unt - this smacks or arrogance and it's like he knows more than conte does and that his words of warning should be heeded

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... ons-league

This time last season he made the same stupid warning to Leicester and they went further in champs league than we did - I reminded of the line from The Hangover movie where he "is literally too stupid to insult"

I'm being genuinely serious when I say this......the man is ill. He needs psychiatric help. As it is, he won't get it. Instead, he'll get another two years and about £18,000,000 (yep, look at all those noughts) to carry on destroying our Club.

This lunatic has truly taken over the asylum.

[sk-gtfo]

If there were a reduction in ST sales maybe that would help....?
Then there is the ST waiting list....

We have seen that an increasing number of those inside the stadium using tickets not used by season ticket holders are 'day-trippers' with no particular club allegiance. From next season many of those people will be able to access seats for Tottenham, initially at Wembley and then at their new 61,000 capacity ground.

Our ticket will no longer be the hottest in town, so long as TOF is at the helm. The 'waiting list' may evaporate as season ticket holders realise they can no longer hedge their bets and rely on renting them out whenever they feel like it, and at the same time realise that they can probably get tickets for most matches they want to go to by paying red or silver membership and giving up their season tickets.

This is a house of cards which - fingers crossed - may just make Kronke take notice.

Yes and in 5-6 years time Chelsea will have upgraded to 60,000 as well and unless Kroenke p*sses off they will still probably be s*itting all over us as they are now, we will be struggling to fill the Emirates before long unless we seriously up our game on the field.

I am not sure he will really take much notice though, that is what makes him so dangerous, he is just so passive as long as we make money - and the PL TV money will ensure we do, then I don't think anything will change, seriously sad state of affairs really.

I think the only thing that might budge him is either constant berating from the fans (bad publicity) or death threats from Arsenal ultra's (we don't have any), perhaps both would be required actually, so not happening.

It just feels like there is no point investing any emotion with the club anymore, i.e. walking away is the best option.

[Rob Admin]

I suspect Wenger is relishing the chance to have a go at wining the Europa and this alone is justification in his mind to continue, Let's be fair the Europe League it's our level as we've been punching aboue our weight in the CL for the past 10 years.

[Allgunsblazin]

Yes the size fits, we peaked in 2006, added another 10 seasons of CL football where we were never ever going to win the thing...
European football has near always eluded us in terms of winning silverware, still as a lot of clubs would throw back in our faces, by saying you should be so lucky to be in that scenario at the top table dining with the elite, well now we are serving them....

[Gunner Rob]

If there were a reduction in ST sales maybe that would help....?
Then there is the ST waiting list....

We have seen that an increasing number of those inside the stadium (using tickets not used by season ticket holders) are 'day-trippers' with no particular club allegiance. From next season many of these day-trippers will be able to access seats for Tottenham, initially at Wembley and then at their new 61,000 capacity ground. Yes, I know we play on a different day, but most people just want one 'fix' of football when they are in town and Spurs will be providing genuine competition for these punters' custom and will have plenty of room for them.

Our ticket will no longer be the hottest in town, so long as TOF is at the helm. The 'waiting list' may evaporate as season ticket holders realise they can no longer hedge their bets and rely on renting them out whenever they feel like it, and at the same time realise that they can probably get tickets for most matches they want to go to by paying red or silver membership and giving up their season tickets.

This is a house of cards which - fingers crossed - may just make Kronke take notice.

this is a good point.
as an example I know someone at work who has 2 season tickets but thinks he will not renew this summer - not because he is a vociferous WOB but because he realises that he will struggle to shift tickets next season for the matches he can't attend (if we finished top 4 he would probably renew)
there must be lots of people like this and I think the biggest problem Arsenal have is the price of the season ticket in comparison to the other clubs. It never has really offered value for money but next season it will just look stupid unless the price drops dramatically.

[Allgunsblazin]

Entrepeneurs love the term competition....But Wiggie loves a monopoly...!
Wiggle will be getting that in two seasons time unless he starts to cut those extortionate costs for a game, yes as stated by BB we will not be the only show in town albeit once a fortnight....

[Retro Gunner]

"Bayern is similar - they dominate the German championship in a very easy way."

Just as they dominate your Arsenal team in a very easy way...you forgot to mention that.

The moronic irony of some of his statements is embarrassing.

He's denegrating teams for winning their respective league titles - something he hasn't managed in 13 seasons. Also, you gotta love the way he conveniently ignores the fact he could not win the easiest most winnable PL title ever last season when the poxy league was at a "diminished level domestically".

Wenger comes out with this crap because HE KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT!!
The majority of our fanbase sadly deserve this specialist in failure in charge of the team[/quote


Nail on the head.

He's totally emboldened by our cretinous, supine supporters. As you say Rob, they entirely deserve Wenger and his inept, bullshit laden failure.

[Redarmy]

Can you believe the absolutely stupidity of the senile old c.unt - this smacks or arrogance and it's like he knows more than conte does and that his words of warning should be heeded

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... ons-league

This time last season he made the same stupid warning to Leicester and they went further in champs league than we did - I reminded of the line from The Hangover movie where he "is literally too stupid to insult"

I'm being genuinely serious when I say this......the man is ill. He needs psychiatric help. As it is, he won't get it. Instead, he'll get another two years and about £18,000,000 (yep, look at all those noughts) to carry on destroying our Club.

This lunatic has truly taken over the asylum.

been saying that for ages...agree think the guy is unhinged

[Kvltman]

The first halves against Munich comment alone, if he was being serious, show just how deluded he is. Why the press don't challenge him on statements such as that is infuriating. There are so many questions that should be asked of him but never are.

He is an intelligent man and this may have gone to his head thinking he is so far above everyone else he can say this kind of things and get away with it as think the bottom feeders will lap it up. And the problem is 90% of them do.

As an aside the club should be charging league cup ticket prices for the Europa group games as they will be viewed by the manager with as much importance as them I am sure.

[rodders999]

Another one for the VT cabinet -

First Half Champions League Winners 2016/17

How do you have somebody sectioned?

[Herd]

Its true day trippers will have more choice but from my experience with Asian day trippers they will go anywhere and everywhere , as an example I took some Koreans to Arsenal V Mufc ,but they whetted their whistle by going to West Ham first on the Friday !
Asian Premier league !

[northbank123]

In my opinion, there were two main reasons why the protests lost momentum:

1. Going into the first protest, it was unclear as to what the reaction might be, as it was uncharted territory. However, despite a decent turnout and significant press coverage, Wenger and the club made it pretty clear that they couldn't give a fuck about it and that they were going to carry on regardless. "1,000 people turn up? Great Arsene, just tell the press that 100 were there and that the other 59,000 are happy and we'll continue to write our own narrative". Once the club made it abundantly clear that they weren't going to listen to their fans and instead turn a blind eye - irrespective of the number of protests and protestors - it seemed pretty futile to continue, despite the best interests of the organisers and everyone who took part.

2. The entire concept of the protests was an organic movement started up by fans here - not affiliated with any fans' group - but to me, it felt like it was slowly hijacked by the attention whores at Arsenal Fan TV, and they slowly turned it into one of their usual charades. This channel is a laughing stock even amongst staunch Wenger Out fans, so I'm not surprised people didn't want to be associated with them.

I said earlier this year that if the club refused to listen to the fans (not just those protesting, but the 78% of the AST who want him gone), then I'd walk away. But the way they completely dismissed the protests of their own fans sped up my decision and it's a club I can no longer support, unfortunately.

Number 2 is exactly right. The self-aggrandising fan groups haven't backed it at all because they are too interested in maintaining access privileges and have some archaic notion that allowing the club and the manager to shit all over the fans is somehow class, whereas taking a stand for the good of the club isn't if it involves criticising the bloke who currently happens to be manager.

Added to that the protests were inevitably hijacked by the attention-seeking wankers on that cringeworthy YouTube shite who then cast it aside once they'd milked as much publicity as they could and it was no longer fashionable.

[sk-gtfo]

If there were a reduction in ST sales maybe that would help....?
Then there is the ST waiting list....

We have seen that an increasing number of those inside the stadium (using tickets not used by season ticket holders) are 'day-trippers' with no particular club allegiance. From next season many of these day-trippers will be able to access seats for Tottenham, initially at Wembley and then at their new 61,000 capacity ground. Yes, I know we play on a different day, but most people just want one 'fix' of football when they are in town and Spurs will be providing genuine competition for these punters' custom and will have plenty of room for them.

Our ticket will no longer be the hottest in town, so long as TOF is at the helm. The 'waiting list' may evaporate as season ticket holders realise they can no longer hedge their bets and rely on renting them out whenever they feel like it, and at the same time realise that they can probably get tickets for most matches they want to go to by paying red or silver membership and giving up their season tickets.

This is a house of cards which - fingers crossed - may just make Kronke take notice.

this is a good point.
as an example I know someone at work who has 2 season tickets but thinks he will not renew this summer - not because he is a vociferous WOB but because he realises that he will struggle to shift tickets next season for the matches he can't attend (if we finished top 4 he would probably renew)
there must be lots of people like this and I think the biggest problem Arsenal have is the price of the season ticket in comparison to the other clubs. It never has really offered value for money but next season it will just look stupid unless the price drops dramatically.

Yeah and the question Wenger was asked was not was he concerned that the game was 'not sold out', he brought that up, he was asked about whether he was concerned about the empty seats, he was deflecting the question away as he often does with that stupid smirk on his face, as usual the reporter backed off instead of bringing it back to the point, I'm sure Wenger would get tetchy again otherwise.

As you say and I'm sure it's been said before but a lot of Arsenal fans rent out their ST or sell on a lot of games they don't want to go to on TX, it is becoming apparent that this is becoming very difficult now so unless the club start seriously reducing ticket prices they are going to have a real issue with dropping demand meaning people giving up their overpriced ST, especially with Wenger around, who symbolises all the stagnation and repetitive failings over the last 10-12 years.

It also just isn't good for the atmosphere or appearance when there are regularly 10-15,000 odd empty seats for most home games, lets face it though if we had a record even close to Chelsea's since we last won the title this wouldn't be a problem - the seats would be full, this is just a reflection of a club that has won ZERO major trophies in the last 13 years and isn't for the most part especially entertaining to watch anymore.

We moved to compete with Bayern, RM, Barca etc?. we're not even competing in the PL let alone with the giants of Europe, Thursday's night in Tblisi here we come!.