THE WENGER THREAD

[General]

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/bi ... 62718.html

[GoonerMuzz]

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/bi ... 62718.html

Be interesting to know how much truth is in that article. If the dig Arsene made about the 'horrendous' atmosphere wasn't just about the protests but about the board not backing him fully as well, surely he has dug his own grave. No sensible individual comes out with a veiled insult like that, he may have underestimated the intelligence of those around him once again, by trying to hide a dig at his bosses in plain sight

[Midz]

Great win for the cup and record setting but please just fuck off wenger.

[northbank123]

Don't think yesterday changes anything. Kroenke (and by extension the swing of the board) only care about money. Winning the FA Cup is financially negligible and I don't think anybody could argue that Wenger spunked away nearly 100m last year and that we will be in an uphill battle to get back into the CL gravy train next season.

In Wenger's perspective, the only variable is how easy a ride he thinks he'll get. And as deluded as he is, he can see the scale of the intense desire to get him out from a lot of fans and - when the chips were really down - the media. Even though we were in a Wembley semi-final. Yesterday won't change the fact that he will incur the same treatment next year if/when the same thing happens again and we are miles off challenging for the title.

Not saying he will definitely go, but I don't think yesterday will change the outcome. Trying to read into what he says is a fools task, but his recent quotes acknowledging that the uncertainty did affect the team (meaning he can pin that uncertainty on somebody other than himself) and essentially calling any protests a disgrace are pretty consistent with a man who will be going. Then again would a manager who is possibly going to be effectively sacked be invited to attend a board meeting? I still think we are reliant on him deciding to jack it in.

Definitely staying no question about it.....the only outcome from Board meeting could be Gazidis being sidelined, Wenger rules, he built the club ,he decides when he goes, FULL 100% backing of Kronke ....

Why would he have the full backing of Kroenke?

When he was delivering optimum financial return - not spending too much money whilst delivering top 4 - you could see why Kroenke was so happy.

Last year he spent nearly 100m on complete dross and finished outside top 4. Likelihood is he will do the same next year. Does that really offer Kroenke great value for money?

[begeegs]

Why would he have the full backing of Kroenke?

When he was delivering optimum financial return - not spending too much money whilst delivering top 4 - you could see why Kroenke was so happy.

Last year he spent nearly 100m on complete dross and finished outside top 4. Likelihood is he will do the same next year. Does that really offer Kroenke great value for money?

I would agree with this. If Sanchez, Ozil and the Ox leave, which I expect that they all very well could, he (or whomever is manager) is going to really struggle next year to get to the Top 4 . Wenger is no fool, he must see that as well. If he left now, as you pointed out before, he can point the fingers at the Board for not backing him, etc. which caused the teams late winter holiday collapse, which he has already started to allude to.

If he stays, he will have to spend a lot of money or fans will get very annoyed once the big guns leave. However, that will put his head on the block if they perform as they did this season. If he goes and buys cheap unproven talent, which looks to be what is in the press as happening, then fans will become equally annoyed - basically it is a recipe for disaster. Kroenke may be happy about this, but fans will probably vote with their feet and you will see more games on general sale next year.

If he had any sense, he should walk. If Kroenke had any sense, they will have someone else lined up to put bums back in the seats - and FFS not Thierry Henry.

[General]

Why would he have the full backing of Kroenke?

When he was delivering optimum financial return - not spending too much money whilst delivering top 4 - you could see why Kroenke was so happy.

Last year he spent nearly 100m on complete dross and finished outside top 4. Likelihood is he will do the same next year. Does that really offer Kroenke great value for money?

I would agree with this. If Sanchez, Ozil and the Ox leave, which I expect that they all very well could, he (or whomever is manager) is going to really struggle next year to get to the Top 4 . Wenger is no fool, he must see that as well. If he left now, as you pointed out before, he can point the fingers at the Board for not backing him, etc. which caused the teams late winter holiday collapse, which he has already started to allude to.

If he stays, he will have to spend a lot of money or fans will get very annoyed once the big guns leave. However, that will put his head on the block if they perform as they did this season. If he goes and buys cheap unproven talent, which looks to be what is in the press as happening, then fans will become equally annoyed - basically it is a recipe for disaster. Kroenke may be happy about this, but fans will probably vote with their feet and you will see more games on general sale next year.

If he had any sense, he should walk. If Kroenke had any sense, they will have someone else lined up to put bums back in the seats - and FFS not Thierry Henry.

I think you are underestimating the fact that the prick has a very thick skin and has no life outside of this club.

[Sabeel]

Funny how he stated before the game that his future didn't depend on one game and now stating that the cup final is presentation to the board. What a hypocrite. Also said that winning fa cup final showed his commitment. What a joke

[Bradywasking]

Funny how he stated before the game that his future didn't depend on one game and now stating that the cup final is presentation to the board. What a hypocrite. Also said that winning fa cup final showed his commitment. What a joke

He also said 20 years shouldn't be defined by one game (paraphrasing there) so by the same token one game shouldn't be enough to save him...
I was still under fire on Twitter late last night for asking where was Saturday's performance all season...Latest one said "the players had a dip, not helped by people like me, but are now back"
It really is a scary cult when you get involved with it..

[xisstential]

If there is one thing the wing wearing coont cares about it's brand image and the protests have truly set the cat amongst the pigeons. They don't want to spend the next year or two under these dark clouds and for me it almost makes Wenger's position untenable. Handing him a new contract is just delaying the inevitable.

But Wenger disgracefully accuses the fans protesting against him as damaging Arsenal's impeccable reputation''

So losing 10-2 on aggregate doesn't damage the clubs reputation ?

Wenger says its not about him but about the club ... then said he thinks its a disgrace that human is treated in a way that no human being should be treated. So it is about him then? Or is the club a human being?

Maybe if Wenger is such a humanitarian he should apologise to the referee he said he was ''revolted'' by in the Bayern 2nd leg. But that would mean Wenger showing some human traits he doesnt possess like humility.

Mate your last two posts suggest you as many others on this forum have an agenda, rather than can really accept we played pretty well yesterday deserving to win the game by more than the 2-1 scoreline. I am an Arsenal fan first, forget about the politics of the club, the manager the owner. On a purely footballing level yesterday Arsenal turned up big time and made a lot of us happy.

Now what happens in the future who knows, but for just this short period of time can we just enjoy the fact that not only did we stop chelski from securing the double, but we also ended up having a better season than our illustrious neighbours despite being shit for large parts of it.

And before you say anything I am not an AKB, I just want to enjoy this weekend no harm in that ehhh!!!

This is a Wenger thread not a didn't we play well yesterday thread, although in fairness I think we did. The point is Wenger took the opportunity to slag the fans off and talk about being treated disgracefully and doing things the Arsenal way yesterday, not just saying yes we played well and isn't that great....in any case what is the arsenal away....it never really existed from us buying the league with David Jack in the 1930's...incidentally the last time we broke the transfer record, to George and his bungs or Wenger and his paying diaby etc millions for nothing....Im not sure what the fuck People think is the Arsenal way???

This is a glass half full thread, talk about results when it suits the agenda and slag the manager when it doesn't. Can't have it both ways, nearly every thread on this forum goes off topic btw. Yeah Wenger has been a twat with some of the things he has said about the fans, but you have to give him credit for the way he set the team up yesterday. Having Monreal on the inside of the Ox was a masterstroke and despite us shitting ourselves at the thought of BFG playing, again the back 3 compensated for his lack of pace.

That's the problem with a lot of Wenger out, you've gone so far that you can't even give a considered opinion of a match in isolation anymore. Perhaps that's why there aren't more than 500 that turn up for the protests.........

Ohhh so that's why...if he stays, we really do need to correct that next season.

As Armchair so often says, people will always find a reason to do nothing.

[Wilson]

Sanchez if off. Its just a matter of trying to funnel him to PSG or Bayern Munich rather than sell to City or Chelsea.

Ozil isnt that heavily coveted and I reckon will stay.

Chamberlain im not sure about. For years Wenger has criminally underused him and indulged in Walcott (and still does). Chamberlain might look at Theo and think to himself, I dont want to end up like him and thus decides to leave Arsene and Wenger.

Yet even with these outgoings. Due to Wenger's narcissism and irrational belief in his ability as a manager - who will assume he has the capabilities to cope with such a talent exodus.

We will be going into next season with Giroud, Ramsey and Walcott our best strike options.

[Wilson]

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[Redarmy]

Don't think yesterday changes anything. Kroenke (and by extension the swing of the board) only care about money. Winning the FA Cup is financially negligible and I don't think anybody could argue that Wenger spunked away nearly 100m last year and that we will be in an uphill battle to get back into the CL gravy train next season.

In Wenger's perspective, the only variable is how easy a ride he thinks he'll get. And as deluded as he is, he can see the scale of the intense desire to get him out from a lot of fans and - when the chips were really down - the media. Even though we were in a Wembley semi-final. Yesterday won't change the fact that he will incur the same treatment next year if/when the same thing happens again and we are miles off challenging for the title.

Not saying he will definitely go, but I don't think yesterday will change the outcome. Trying to read into what he says is a fools task, but his recent quotes acknowledging that the uncertainty did affect the team (meaning he can pin that uncertainty on somebody other than himself) and essentially calling any protests a disgrace are pretty consistent with a man who will be going. Then again would a manager who is possibly going to be effectively sacked be invited to attend a board meeting? I still think we are reliant on him deciding to jack it in.

Definitely staying no question about it.....the only outcome from Board meeting could be Gazidis being sidelined, Wenger rules, he built the club ,he decides when he goes, FULL 100% backing of Kronke ....

Why would he have the full backing of Kroenke?

When he was delivering optimum financial return - not spending too much money whilst delivering top 4 - you could see why Kroenke was so happy.

Last year he spent nearly 100m on complete dross and finished outside top 4. Likelihood is he will do the same next year. Does that really offer Kroenke great value for money?

WHY would he not, FFS Wenger has already said publicly he has FULL backing of Kronke, that is not in dispute...have you heard anything from Kronke to dispute this???


£35 million Xaha, not too bad in cup final, some players need a season to find there feet others great from first game, but i think he's useful
not convinced as yet on Mustafi

CL not the absolute be all and end all , with massive TV money in the game, they are well equipped to go without next season.

[Redarmy]

Why would he have the full backing of Kroenke?

When he was delivering optimum financial return - not spending too much money whilst delivering top 4 - you could see why Kroenke was so happy.

Last year he spent nearly 100m on complete dross and finished outside top 4. Likelihood is he will do the same next year. Does that really offer Kroenke great value for money?

I would agree with this. If Sanchez, Ozil and the Ox leave, which I expect that they all very well could, he (or whomever is manager) is going to really struggle next year to get to the Top 4 . Wenger is no fool, he must see that as well. If he left now, as you pointed out before, he can point the fingers at the Board for not backing him, etc. which caused the teams late winter holiday collapse, which he has already started to allude to.

If he stays, he will have to spend a lot of money or fans will get very annoyed once the big guns leave. However, that will put his head on the block if they perform as they did this season. If he goes and buys cheap unproven talent, which looks to be what is in the press as happening, then fans will become equally annoyed - basically it is a recipe for disaster. Kroenke may be happy about this, but fans will probably vote with their feet and you will see more games on general sale next year.

If he had any sense, he should walk. If Kroenke had any sense, they will have someone else lined up to put bums back in the seats - and FFS not Thierry Henry.

Fuck me you don't understand Wenger, in the news today saying he's a very young man....he is fucking EGO mad, in his mind he is the only one who can get Arsenal back to the top...hes going no where, would take a crow bar to get him out of that club....

[Redarmy]

Wenger today.....

"You know, we cannot say 'oh fantastic, I enjoy that'. So, there's a kind of violence in our society now where everybody has opinions and we have to live with it, but I just, the only thing I say, I accept, you know, people's opinion, but during the game you want people who are fans to be behind the club and that's what I refuse. I will never accept that during a game. If people want me out, they want me out, I can accept that. In the game, you support the team, it's as simple as that.
"I meet many Arsenal fans who are absolutely fantastic. I just said there was maybe 1pc, but the 99pc of our fans are absolutely fantastic. We play for the 99.9pc.

"I am a forgiving man. This job is basically trusting human beings, you know, so if you cannot forgive, you cannot trust.

So you 1% of fans against him he is big enough to forgive you...be blessed

[Redarmy]

as posted earlier, not a matter of him staying....thats a given, (only minimal outside chance that Wenger himself could say No)

But Wenger now wants the unequivocal support of the Gunners board at a meeting tomorrow to confirm his future before committing to the two-year deal on the table.

The Frenchman, 67, held positive discussions with Stan Kroenke after Saturday’s Wembley win.

some poster also stated one game makes no difference...of course it does....Wenger say...
“The best presentation is to watch the game, then there can be no doubt.”

He wants to sort the boardroom out totally....and he will, he wants total support, thats what he demands