Oxlade-Chamberlain

[DB10GOONER]

Wasn't it the game against Manure, that he was substituted, much to van Persie's displeasure, after being sensational?
That was the beginning of the end for him even then really, and he'd only been at the Arsenal a short time then.

Yep.

Remember that match clearly.

Another one of Wenger's sensational tactical moves...

No...the real reason was money. Southampton had a deal with Arsenal that they would get X amount of money if AoC was on the field for a certain amount of minutes...so Wenger used to bring him on or take him off to come in under that time so the money didn't have to be paid. He eventually got into a row with them because Wenger forgot to factor in extra time, so say he brought the Ox on with 14 minutes to go, say 15 being the Southampton pay line, then there would be 4 minutes ET and Southampton wanted paying as he had been on the field for not 14, but 18 minutes.

Couldn't make it up huh, Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, where what is happening on the field, takes a back seat to what it's going to cost

Seriously? Fuck me, you couldn't make that shit up.
Was the cuunt paying Southampton from his own pocket?
The sooner we get someone in place who doesn't give a shit when the funds become available the better.

100% true. I think the actual minute cut off point might have been 20, but apart from that it is true. Apparently it's quite common in the game.

[SteveO 35]

I'm sure many a windowlicker at the bowl will boo him and label him a Judas, and I see many are already saying what a shit record he has at the club scoring only 9 goals

How I see it is that this kid should have been let loose on the first team on a consistent basis 2-3 years ago when he still had the confidence and look of being a top talent. Shit for Brains criminally chose to stick with lovechild Ramsey out wide on the right when he couldn't accommodate him ahead of Santi, Wilshere etc at the time, and no matter how well the Ox played as a sub or in the lesser cups, he was straight back out of the side again in favour of fucking Twirly. Find it somewhat ironic people questioning what the Ox has done in 6 years, when Twirly has been here for nearly 10 years, and 1 season apart, has been and remains utter gash in all that time

Think a much better manager in Conte will actually turn him into the player he could and should have been here

[flash gunner]

Good luck to him, who on earth can blame him?

[xisstential]

Wasn't it the game against Manure, that he was substituted, much to van Persie's displeasure, after being sensational?
That was the beginning of the end for him even then really, and he'd only been at the Arsenal a short time then.

Yep.

Remember that match clearly.

Another one of Wenger's sensational tactical moves...

No...the real reason was money. Southampton had a deal with Arsenal that they would get X amount of money if AoC was on the field for a certain amount of minutes...so Wenger used to bring him on or take him off to come in under that time so the money didn't have to be paid. He eventually got into a row with them because Wenger forgot to factor in extra time, so say he brought the Ox on with 14 minutes to go, say 15 being the Southampton pay line, then there would be 4 minutes ET and Southampton wanted paying as he had been on the field for not 14, but 18 minutes.

Couldn't make it up huh, Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, where what is happening on the field, takes a back seat to what it's going to cost

Seriously? Fuck me, you couldn't make that shit up.
Was the cuunt paying Southampton from his own pocket?
The sooner we get someone in place who doesn't give a shit when the funds become available the better.

100% true. I think the actual minute cut off point might have been 20, but apart from that it is true. Apparently it's quite common in the game.

Aah yes, but Arsene Wenger studied it, applied it and took it to a whole other level. AW, a manager who perfects, concentrates and focuses on all the wrong things.

You know, being deadly serious now, maybe he really doesn't know that much about football?? What did he bring really...fitness, a new eating regime, created the modern footballer...all OFF the field stuff. And he inherited a very good team who I believe ran that team themselves. I also think a lot of our best wins lately, beating City 2 - 0 away, beating Chelsea in the FA cup is when the players just took matters into their own hands with minimal input from him.

And now everybody is following those dietary plans and fitness regimes but they have managers/coaches who know football. Does Wenger really know football?? He talks a lot about stuff removed from on field matters but when does he actually address football problems within his team. His team are absolutely falling apart and what is happening now is a result of years of mismanagement and naïve neglect. He has taken a lot of people for a long, long ride.

The conclusion.... Arsene doesn't know!!

[DB10GOONER]

Yep.

Remember that match clearly.

Another one of Wenger's sensational tactical moves...

No...the real reason was money. Southampton had a deal with Arsenal that they would get X amount of money if AoC was on the field for a certain amount of minutes...so Wenger used to bring him on or take him off to come in under that time so the money didn't have to be paid. He eventually got into a row with them because Wenger forgot to factor in extra time, so say he brought the Ox on with 14 minutes to go, say 15 being the Southampton pay line, then there would be 4 minutes ET and Southampton wanted paying as he had been on the field for not 14, but 18 minutes.

Couldn't make it up huh, Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, where what is happening on the field, takes a back seat to what it's going to cost

Seriously? Fuck me, you couldn't make that shit up.
Was the cuunt paying Southampton from his own pocket?
The sooner we get someone in place who doesn't give a shit when the funds become available the better.

100% true. I think the actual minute cut off point might have been 20, but apart from that it is true. Apparently it's quite common in the game.

Aah yes, but Arsene Wenger studied it, applied it and took it to a whole other level. AW, a manager who perfects, concentrates and focuses on all the wrong things.

You know, being deadly serious now, maybe he really doesn't know that much about football?? What did he bring really...fitness, a new eating regime, created the modern footballer...all OFF the field stuff. And he inherited a very good team who I believe ran that team themselves. I also think a lot of our best wins lately, beating City 2 - 0 away, beating Chelsea in the FA cup is when the players just took matters into their own hands with minimal input from him.

And now everybody is following those dietary plans and fitness regimes but they have managers/coaches who know football. Does Wenger really know football?? He talks a lot about stuff removed from on field matters but when does he actually address football problems within his team. His team are absolutely falling apart and what is happening now is a result of years of mismanagement and naïve neglect. He has taken a lot of people for a long, long ride.

The conclusion.... Arsene doesn't know!!

You are probably right there. I posted a few years ago that I thought maybe Wenger's only true talent/skill/ability was having the confidence as a manager to let top players play (back when we had top players like DB10, PV4, TA6, MO11, TH14, RP7 etc). He was also lucky to some extent to inherit the best Back 5 in the game's history. Vieira was the first player that publicly stated that Wenger didn't do tactics or much of a team talk and did effectively nothing at half time but tell the players to stay with their game. Maybe that was the sum of his "talent" - the ability to spot what was a unique group of seriously talented players with many leaders and strong characters, and just let them play. Not as simple as it reads tbh but certainly not the equivilent of being a top manager either... the modern game has exposed him as a charlatan with extremely limited coaching ability and zero tactical knowledge.

[g60gooner]

I honestly believe that the previous strong willed and intelligent group of players that made up our most successful era of players under SFB, were mostly self managed.
As said above, he probably brought modern diet and training to the table, but once the likes of Bergkamp, Adams, Campbell, Pires etc. started leaving, it was plainly obvious how different things became.
Danny Murphy, spoke earlier about ODL's legacy being tarnished if he carries on - bit late for that in my opinion (about 10 years too late) - but the more it goes on the more i'm convinced of just how little input he has actually ever had.
I believe we were extremely fortunate to have had the group of players - partly inherited it must be said, that we had for Wenkers first few years, and that they were clearly hungry, determined, driven and talented too.
Why so many of them are reluctant to criticise the old cuunt now seems to me more to do with them being decent, respectful and nice people and although they played for us, and probably, were proud to do so, they are never going to be as empathetic and passionate as a true fan of the club.

[g60gooner]

i seem to have posted something similar, albeit it less well put, at the same time as you DB

[DB10GOONER]

i seem to have posted something similar, albeit it less well put, at the same time as you DB

Great minds!

And I wouldn't say it's less well put, mate!

[g60gooner]

i seem to have posted something similar, albeit it less well put, at the same time as you DB

Great minds!

And I wouldn't say it's less well put, mate!

[Sean]

Fair dos. Why stay at this cluster-fuck of a club under a senile fraud who doesn't coach above park level, when you can go to the current champions? He will be much better off at a club with ambition who have actually won the fucking league several times since we last bothered to.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops under proper managers who actually do tactics and coaching. It will be also be interesting to hear any disguised digs at TOF from him in the future, like how much better he is being coached and instructed. That will be the acid test.

[xisstential]

Fair dos. Why stay at this cluster-fuck of a club under a senile fraud who doesn't coach above park level, when you can go to the current champions? He will be much better off at a club with ambition who have actually won the fucking league several times since we last bothered to.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops under proper managers who actually do tactics and coaching. It will be also be interesting to hear any disguised digs at TOF from him in the future, like how much better he is being coached and instructed. That will be the acid test.

You won't hear anything. You think Wenger is going to allow that, have you ever heard it before? The Ox will be allowed to go and will have to sign a NDA before we release him

[REB]

Good luck to him, who on earth can blame him?

fuck him, and fuck any player that doesnt want to play for the arsenal. im not going to wish him good luck just because i dislike the manager , hope he flops, stays injured and that pop tart dumps him, 35million is far too much for him for the useless *word censored*.

[xisstential]

Good luck to him, who on earth can blame him?

fuck him, and fuck any player that doesnt want to play for the arsenal. im not going to wish him good luck just because i dislike the manager , hope he flops, stays injured and that pop tart dumps him, 35million is far too much for him for the useless *word censored*.

He does want to play for us...he doesn't want to play for Arsene Wenger. Even John Cross is saying the players are in revolt because NOTHING has changed and they don't believe they have brought in enough quality to win silverware.

Wishing The Ox ill will shows you up as petty and spiteful. As Red said yesterday he probably looked at Walcott and thought let me get out of here before I end up like him.

[Sean]

Fair dos. Why stay at this cluster-fuck of a club under a senile fraud who doesn't coach above park level, when you can go to the current champions? He will be much better off at a club with ambition who have actually won the fucking league several times since we last bothered to.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops under proper managers who actually do tactics and coaching. It will be also be interesting to hear any disguised digs at TOF from him in the future, like how much better he is being coached and instructed. That will be the acid test.

You won't hear anything. You think Wenger is going to allow that, have you ever heard it before? The Ox will be allowed to go and will have to sign a NDA before we release him

I remember the Cúntalan Rat saying he learned more about defending as a team in his first month at the Barca-whores than he did in eight years under The Old Fraud. Plus a lot of ex-players admitting over the years that he does fuck all and he just let them work it out. A lot of them say nothing, granted, because they were on the famed Socialist Wage Structure and go right back to obscurity when their contracts run down.

Sure, Chamberlain definitely won't be allowed to openly criticize the regime, but we may glean a few insights by his comparisons with his new club and manager, without mentioning TOF's name. If he has a successful career, I'll be surprised if he were to ever say TOF was his best manager, or anything more than just being the one who brought him to the Premier League, before moving onto more success elsewhere.

[greengooner]

Good luck to him, who on earth can blame him?

fuck him, and fuck any player that doesnt want to play for the arsenal. im not going to wish him good luck just because i dislike the manager , hope he flops, stays injured and that pop tart dumps him, 35million is far too much for him for the useless *word censored*.

He does want to play for us...he doesn't want to play for Arsene Wenger. Even John Cross is saying the players are in revolt because NOTHING has changed and they don't believe they have brought in enough quality to win silverware.

Wishing The Ox ill will shows you up as petty and spiteful. As Red said yesterday he probably looked at Walcott and thought let me get out of here before I end up like him.

I wish I could end up like Walcott, a multi millionaire with zero football ability bar running fast