As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
The end game is in sight now, Wenger has run out of get out of jail cards and the players he has have neither the motivation nor in many cases the quality to get him out of trouble anyway.
We were in exactly the same place last season, around the West Brom away game, where the players were not playing for him anymore.
Unfortunately, as much as I would love him to go at the end of the season, I just can't see it happening. He isn't going to quit and I can't see him being sacked, out of respect to him .
There is also no appetite from our matchday fans to get rid of him, so I believe he is here until at least the end of next season.
We were in exactly the same place last season, around the West Brom away game, where the players were not playing for him anymore.
Unfortunately, as much as I would love him to go at the end of the season, I just can't see it happening. He isn't going to quit and I can't see him being sacked, out of respect to him .
There is also no appetite from our matchday fans to get rid of him, so I believe he is here until at least the end of next season.
The difference now is it is obvious we are likely out of the CL for the forseeable future (under Wenger), I think Kroenke naively bought Wenger's nonsense about being able to "re-invent himself", although the failure of that to materialise alone is probably not enough to convince wiggy w*nker to end things I think the brand damage that is being done now is likely to be enough, nothing to do with the fans directly, but the empty seats are becoming a running joke and the negativity surrounding the club has been bad enough this season, another season under Wenger would be very damaging for the brand.
We all know Kroenke is only in it for the money so it stands to reason that money will be the downfall of Wenger, in some ways I'd like to see him stay actually because that would make Kroenke look bad and would be quite amusing, plus I don't expect us to appoint anyone that great as Wenger's replacement anyway, the more that wiggy c*nt damages his investment the more likely he is to sell up and piss off.
Just to say, Arsenal do not owe Wenger anything. He's been well renumerated for "turning down the world". Had he left for Madrid in 2007 he'd have been out of work for the last 7 years.
If nothing else its good to see the press corps finally really getting on his case, instead of blowing smoke up his arse.
Even better, he is getting prickly at the questions and comments he faces.
Also makes a change from the press deriding the ungrateful Arsenal fans protests against him.
Its the beginning of the end for him, and I personally cant wait to hear him attempt to defend himself on Friday, if we get another drubbing from City.
Maybe someone could ask him who exactly are these clubs that were desperate to crowbar him out of Arsenal.
I think every Arsenal fan is now saying what was the point in moving to the Emirates. We had a much better team at Highbury and all the reasons we moved in the first place have been forgotten.
If your club is making money then it has to go on good players. We only spent 7 million in both windows because we sold players.
Mustafi and Xhaka are terrible signings and Lacazette is not looking too good either. Maybe a new manager can improve performance but this a very poor Arsenal team. Worse one under Wenger and it's been bad for a while.
I ain't
I'm glad we moved to the Emirates
We had outgrown Highbury and moved to a bigger stadium in our heartland
The problem is Wenger
Not having a contingency plan 10 years ago is the problem
When it became clear in October 2011 that Wenger was unable to improve
The champions league winning player and double winner in English football ancelotti should have been installed straight away
He didn't want to leave london
We had Italian speaking Brady to bridge the gap and show arsenal values as a number 2
It was a no brainier
I would still have him for the next few years
A young vibrant coach with fresh ideas can be identified to take over then
Mind you if we went for that option straight away I would be equally has happy
Just want Wenger gone
I'm genuinely not fussed who comes in as long as it's someone. Let's be frank we don't trust the board to get it right and theres one thing for sure.... If they get it wrong there won't be anything like the same patience shown to Wenger so the new man would be gone and the board have another crack.
This process may take 10 years before we get back to where we should be but at least there will be hope and change.
Right now that would do me.
Hear hear
And that's why I want hack at the neck of anybody saying carefull what you wish for
You ain't married to a manager for 22 years
You have a punt
You get it wrong
You go again
It's the inactivity where the fault lies
That is where this differs from those grim mid 70's
You got the feeling the club were doing their best to be the best they could be
I think every Arsenal fan is now saying what was the point in moving to the Emirates. We had a much better team at Highbury and all the reasons we moved in the first place have been forgotten.
I ain't
I'm glad we moved to the Emirates
We had outgrown Highbury and moved to a bigger stadium in our heartland
The problem is Wenger
Not having a contingency plan 10 years ago is the problem
When it became clear in October 2011 that Wenger was unable to improve
Ever since Kronke took control in April 2011 the reasons for moving have been forgotten. Whereas it may well have been the intention to challenge for the European Cup with the bigger stadium back in 2006, that ambition was replaced with the more pragmatic let's make lots of money. Selling Fabregas was the proof of that along with the subsequent 2-8 at Old Toilet and the bargain basement rush on the last day of the transfer window. Wenger would have gone at that point if the owner had serious ambition.
Even when they had a glimmer of hope of winning the league in 2016, only Elneny joined in the January transfer window.
I think every Arsenal fan is now saying what was the point in moving to the Emirates. We had a much better team at Highbury and all the reasons we moved in the first place have been forgotten.
I ain't
I'm glad we moved to the Emirates
We had outgrown Highbury and moved to a bigger stadium in our heartland
The problem is Wenger
Not having a contingency plan 10 years ago is the problem
When it became clear in October 2011 that Wenger was unable to improve
Ever since Kronke took control in April 2011 the reasons for moving have been forgotten. Whereas it may well have been the intention to challenge for the European Cup with the bigger stadium back in 2006, that ambition was replaced with the more pragmatic let's make lots of money. Selling Fabregas was the proof of that along with the subsequent 2-8 at Old Toilet and the bargain basement rush on the last day of the transfer window. Wenger would have gone at that point if the owner had serious ambition.
Even when they had a glimmer of hope of winning the league in 2016, only Elneny joined in the January transfer window.
I would class myself as fairly tuned in when talking about the negative effect poor performances and half empty stadium will have on the club, but tbh I can never understand the argument that kroenke is making money from the club as it is - dont get me wrong cos I too feel that he is an absolute cancer in our club, but how or where is he making money ? The £3m consultancy fee thing seems to have stopped, and he wont pay dividends from the club to himself cos he would then have to pay usmanov, so surely he cant be making money in the here and now ? My reading of the situation is that continued profits will boost the share prices, but again he can only make money that way if he actually sells - if I'm right on that then he is either playing the long game hoping that usmanov will get pissed off and sell up, or he is building up the share price with a long term plan to sell in future
I could be reading that situation way wrong, and if so please people point out where I am wrong in my thinking
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The £3m consultancy fee thing seems to have stopped, and he wont pay dividends from the club to himself cos he would then have to pay usmanov, so surely he cant be making money in the here and now ? My reading of the situation is that continued profits will boost the share prices, but again he can only make money that way if he actually sells - if I'm right on that then he is either playing the long game hoping that usmanov will get pissed off and sell up, or he is building up the share price with a long term plan to sell in future
