Your choice as manager/Arteta Merged thread

[herbert]

Bruce Rioch took us from 12th in the league to 5th in his only season ,he had is problems with some of the senior players at the club and eventually fell out with the tight bastards in charge but he was far from being a fuk up

[augie]

Contrary to popular thought Arteta is an inspired and carefully planned choice .........for Gazidis that is .
Gazidis has been trying to flex his muscles on the playing sided for many years but has been largely thwarted by Wenger who has simply out manoeuvred him .
Now he has his day in the Sun do you think he would let another manager usurp him ?
All the other so called candidates were merely window dressing, Gazidis wanted Arteta because this is the moment Gazidis has waited for for 7 years and he isn't going to piss on his own chips by getting in someone who might prove difficult to handle .
Comments coming from Viera seem to confirm this they called him up asked if he was interested he said yes and then nothing more was heard apparently .
Arteta is indebted to Gazidis ,it was,Gazidis who signed him on deadline day as Wenger refused to engage with Gazidis after the sales of Nasri and Fabregas so Gazidis stepped up and signed him along with Santos and Mertasacker Yossi on loan and some Korean.
None of these players had a medical because we left everything so late .
But I digress , Gazidis wants someone he can control and in Arteta and Carzola he has his perfect choices ,he knows that Bould and mad Jens are compliant so he has TOTAL control.
He has already co-opted John Cross as a mouthpiece and he will smooth this one through .
This is Ivans day in the Sun and he rightly thinks that almost anyone can get more out of our players than the previous incumbent !
A few Key signings and he might get lucky,if not he just fires Arteta and gets another in !

If/When this goes tits up, the pressure that will rain on gazidas will be like nothing he has ever felt before. Yes arteta is expendable and high risk, but make no mistake it will be gazidas that will be targeted when it goes wrong. Surely gazidas knows that being viewed as the man behind this appointment will result in him being the guy that will be held accountable by the fans ? As much as kroenke is despised by the fans, he cant be blamed for this appointment - it is generally accepted that kroenke over-ruled gazidas when giving wenger those new contracts and was rightly targetted for doing so, but arteta isnt his appointment and I am beginning to think that he was right not to trust gazidas's judgement or his motives.

I just cannot get my head around why gazidas would appoint arteta - yes he would have a trusted guy alongside in the power structure for the short term, but in the long term (when this fails) he will be ostracised and will probably pay the ultimate price for his decision. Gazidas is setting himself up for a massive fail in the first opportunity he has to show what he can do

[markyp]

Bruce Rioch took us from 12th in the league to 5th in his only season ,he had is problems with some of the senior players at the club and eventually fell out with the tight bastards in charge but he was far from being a fuk up

you cant really count that season though as the 94-95 was a total dog shit season where GG was sacked and the club was upside down,Rioch calmed the ship that's it

[markyp]

Why are we still looking at Arteta, fat Sam and moyes are available now, that’s the sort of shit we’ll need next season so why not employ one of them now?

its amazing isn't it that two clubs who haven't won a jot in years are ok to sack their managers after just one season yet we were lambasted for wanting TOF gone after 14 years of shit

[Bob Bayliss]

Contrary to popular thought Arteta is an inspired and carefully planned choice .........for Gazidis that is .
Gazidis has been trying to flex his muscles on the playing sided for many years but has been largely thwarted by Wenger who has simply out manoeuvred him .
Now he has his day in the Sun do you think he would let another manager usurp him ?
All the other so called candidates were merely window dressing, Gazidis wanted Arteta because this is the moment Gazidis has waited for for 7 years and he isn't going to piss on his own chips by getting in someone who might prove difficult to handle .
Comments coming from Viera seem to confirm this they called him up asked if he was interested he said yes and then nothing more was heard apparently .
Arteta is indebted to Gazidis ,it was,Gazidis who signed him on deadline day as Wenger refused to engage with Gazidis after the sales of Nasri and Fabregas so Gazidis stepped up and signed him along with Santos and Mertasacker Yossi on loan and some Korean.
None of these players had a medical because we left everything so late .
But I digress , Gazidis wants someone he can control and in Arteta and Carzola he has his perfect choices ,he knows that Bould and mad Jens are compliant so he has TOTAL control.
He has already co-opted John Cross as a mouthpiece and he will smooth this one through .
This is Ivans day in the Sun and he rightly thinks that almost anyone can get more out of our players than the previous incumbent !
A few Key signings and he might get lucky,if not he just fires Arteta and gets another in !

If/When this goes tits up, the pressure that will rain on gazidas will be like nothing he has ever felt before. Yes arteta is expendable and high risk, but make no mistake it will be gazidas that will be targeted when it goes wrong. Surely gazidas knows that being viewed as the man behind this appointment will result in him being the guy that will be held accountable by the fans ? As much as kroenke is despised by the fans, he cant be blamed for this appointment - it is generally accepted that kroenke over-ruled gazidas when giving wenger those new contracts and was rightly targetted for doing so, but arteta isnt his appointment and I am beginning to think that he was right not to trust gazidas's judgement or his motives.

I just cannot get my head around why gazidas would appoint arteta - yes he would have a trusted guy alongside in the power structure for the short term, but in the long term (when this fails) he will be ostracised and will probably pay the ultimate price for his decision. Gazidas is setting himself up for a massive fail in the first opportunity he has to show what he can do

That must have been one hell of a watch that Arteta bought Gazidis out of the club fines when he was captain.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/446698/tabloids ... enger.html

[Clash]

Bruce Rioch took us from 12th in the league to 5th in his only season ,he had is problems with some of the senior players at the club and eventually fell out with the tight bastards in charge but he was far from being a fuk up

I agree herbert. It was Bergkamps debut season so it cannot have been too bad. I quite enjoyed the 95-96 season under Rioch - probably as much as the 96-97 season under Wenger. And it definitely had a more exciting ending with DB's last minute goal that got us into Europe instead of the Scum. We probably should have won the league cup too.

Even now I still think Rioch did a fairly good job in his one season. He got us passing the ball around better than we had been for a few years which meant Wenger didnt have to change the style of play too much.

I would take that season over most of the last 12 at the Emirates! I would go back to those days in a heartbeat if I could.

[Clash]

Contrary to popular thought Arteta is an inspired and carefully planned choice .........for Gazidis that is .
Gazidis has been trying to flex his muscles on the playing sided for many years but has been largely thwarted by Wenger who has simply out manoeuvred him .
Now he has his day in the Sun do you think he would let another manager usurp him ?
All the other so called candidates were merely window dressing, Gazidis wanted Arteta because this is the moment Gazidis has waited for for 7 years and he isn't going to piss on his own chips by getting in someone who might prove difficult to handle .
Comments coming from Viera seem to confirm this they called him up asked if he was interested he said yes and then nothing more was heard apparently .
Arteta is indebted to Gazidis ,it was,Gazidis who signed him on deadline day as Wenger refused to engage with Gazidis after the sales of Nasri and Fabregas so Gazidis stepped up and signed him along with Santos and Mertasacker Yossi on loan and some Korean.
None of these players had a medical because we left everything so late .
But I digress , Gazidis wants someone he can control and in Arteta and Carzola he has his perfect choices ,he knows that Bould and mad Jens are compliant so he has TOTAL control.
He has already co-opted John Cross as a mouthpiece and he will smooth this one through .
This is Ivans day in the Sun and he rightly thinks that almost anyone can get more out of our players than the previous incumbent !
A few Key signings and he might get lucky,if not he just fires Arteta and gets another in !

Makes a lot of sense to me! It seems that our club is always being used as some sort of toy for big people with a big ego ... or those with their own agenda.

The co-opting John Cross thing is interesting too because I wondered the same about Ian Wright. The way talked up Arteta on MOTD was a bit strange as I doubt he knows anything about Arteta.

[NickF]

And if Arteta really is the best man we can attract to the club then Gazidis isnt selling us very well is he?

This time last year they were telling us Wenger was still the best man for the jobs so I don't really hold Gazidis as a good judge of what is best for our club...

Also if the watch story is true, is Gazidis the right person to even decide on Arteta as it could look like a conflict of interest...

[herbert]

Bruce Rioch took us from 12th in the league to 5th in his only season ,he had is problems with some of the senior players at the club and eventually fell out with the tight bastards in charge but he was far from being a fuk up

you cant really count that season though as the 94-95 was a total dog shit season where GG was sacked and the club was upside down,Rioch calmed the ship that's it

I would agree with he calmed the ship after the 94/95 season but you have to give him credit for the way he helped Merson through his rehab and the club captain Adams admits that he was not there for Rioch in the dressing room because of his own personal problems that made him miss a large part of that season

[augie]

I liked rioch and was never happy with the way he was treated - ian wright felt he was bigger than the club and got him sacked, in a similar way to how the leicester players shafted ranieri

I have to admit that I lost a lot of respect for wright over that debacle, and that feeling lasts still

[Theoperator]

Is Rioch available these days

[Herd]

If/When this goes tits up, the pressure that will rain on gazidas will be like nothing he has ever felt before. Yes arteta is expendable and high risk, but make no mistake it will be gazidas that will be targeted when it goes wrong. Surely gazidas knows that being viewed as the man behind this appointment will result in him being the guy that will be held accountable by the fans ? As much as kroenke is despised by the fans, he cant be blamed for this appointment - it is generally accepted that kroenke over-ruled gazidas when giving wenger those new contracts and was rightly targetted for doing so, but arteta isnt his appointment and I am beginning to think that he was right not to trust gazidas's judgement or his motives.

I just cannot get my head around why gazidas would appoint arteta - yes he would have a trusted guy alongside in the power structure for the short term, but in the long term (when this fails) he will be ostracised and will probably pay the ultimate price for his decision. Gazidas is setting himself up for a massive fail in the first opportunity he has to show what he can do

You have to remember that Gazidis has a huge ego and thinks he knows best,all dictators do !
He wants an Empire and he's determined that nought shall stand in his way so Arteta is a perfect choice .
His mistake is that he thinks he knows what it takes to run a football club on the pitch,he doesn't.
He has probably realised that it wont take much to elevate the team from it's current position so he can hardly do worse than the Wenger.
If Arteta starts to fail however he will step right in and fire his arse double quick and get another in , and will be praised buy the press for acting speedily.
Like Wenger he has the hide of a rhino and can take the pressure.
I all makes sense to me !

[Jock Gooner]

Bruce Rioch took us from 12th in the league to 5th in his only season ,he had is problems with some of the senior players at the club and eventually fell out with the tight bastards in charge but he was far from being a fuk up

Didn't say he was a fuck up just to be clear. I said if Arteta is a fuck up then he goes the same way as Rioch which is shown the door. Rioch's bust up with Wrighty is well documented but then in a world of giant egos if he kept on referring to the Bolton way then I guess there was always going to be a moment when somebody pointed out he had moved up in the world not down coming to our place.

[Eboue-Why?]

Has he joined yet?!

[augie]

If/When this goes tits up, the pressure that will rain on gazidas will be like nothing he has ever felt before. Yes arteta is expendable and high risk, but make no mistake it will be gazidas that will be targeted when it goes wrong. Surely gazidas knows that being viewed as the man behind this appointment will result in him being the guy that will be held accountable by the fans ? As much as kroenke is despised by the fans, he cant be blamed for this appointment - it is generally accepted that kroenke over-ruled gazidas when giving wenger those new contracts and was rightly targetted for doing so, but arteta isnt his appointment and I am beginning to think that he was right not to trust gazidas's judgement or his motives.

I just cannot get my head around why gazidas would appoint arteta - yes he would have a trusted guy alongside in the power structure for the short term, but in the long term (when this fails) he will be ostracised and will probably pay the ultimate price for his decision. Gazidas is setting himself up for a massive fail in the first opportunity he has to show what he can do

You have to remember that Gazidis has a huge ego and thinks he knows best,all dictators do !
He wants an Empire and he's determined that nought shall stand in his way so Arteta is a perfect choice .
His mistake is that he thinks he knows what it takes to run a football club on the pitch,he doesn't.
He has probably realised that it wont take much to elevate the team from it's current position so he can hardly do worse than the Wenger.
If Arteta starts to fail however he will step right in and fire his arse double quick and get another in , and will be praised buy the press for acting speedily.
Like Wenger he has the hide of a rhino and can take the pressure.
I all makes sense to me !

I dont think it will get him any praise from the media, and I know that it certainly wont get him any praise from the fans. Even the star newspaper are already mocking the decision to appoint arteta, and are suggesting that it might lead to an sos call to wenger by christmas - do you think that the media will give him a pass on this bizarre appointment, when all and sundry are already saying how ridiculous it is ? If/When this goes tits up, I think that the fans will unite to call for gazidas sacking and he will happily be thrown under the bus by kroenke